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Post by harveybirdman502 » Mon Nov 14, 2016 10:51 pm

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Tazewell wrote:With time narrowing down, what is everyone's plan for the home stretch? 3-4 PTs a week? Drill? Same thing you've been doing?

I'm just genuinely curious to see what everyone has in store.

I think I'll keep doing 3 PTs a week, and reviewing and doing games on days that I don't take a PT. Will take Thanksgiving off, since I'll be in D.C. with my SO, then treat that last week like a normal week and put LSAT stuff away starting Thursday at 5.
I'm taking it easy. Two PTs a week. I've been using previous LG sections on which I did poorly as extra 5th sections. I do RC practice with old exams as well. All pretty much to just maintain my skills. I think my issues are all mental at this point. I know I'm capable of getting the score I want, it's just a matter of not going manic on test day and having everything go out the window. I'm also reading a book I saw referenced on here titled, "Performing Under Pressure." Hoping it can help even just a little, because cracking under pressure is pretty much the recurring theme of my life.
Thanks for the rec. Huge problem for me so I could use it. Xanax just isn't enough. Mania is a bitch.

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Post by 34iplaw » Mon Nov 14, 2016 11:08 pm

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34iplaw wrote:PT 42 ... timing got messed up a bit... definitely some familiar games/topics but didn't remember any answers.

Fuck Roy Lichtenstein.

LG -0; +7min left over
LR1; -2
RC; -6 (-4 on Lichtenstein)
LR2; -0

94//172
I'm getting ready to do this one tomorrow. -0 on LR? How do you people do it? Closest I've gotten is -2. Did you drill every question type? I've been trying to clamp down on that. Really need to get through RA questions faster.
I had definitely seen a question or two previously in my prep, but I didn't actually remember the answer at all... maybe it wasn't the same exact one but it was really similar subject matter. IMO, the LR and LG was really easy on this test.


BR for 42

LG -0
LR1 -0
RC -4 (honestly, I'm so lost on this dumb RC passage that I'm not going to even try to guess answers. I really need to dive into this one.)
LR2 -0

Anyone have any good explanations on the Roy Lichtenstein passage? I felt like I actually grasped the material, but the questions just seemed so out of left field IMO.

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Post by Instrumental » Mon Nov 14, 2016 11:26 pm

I went -6 on that RC also. went -2 on the Pop Art passage tho. Missed the main point question which is uncharacteristic for me and the following question about the author's attitude. RC is a chore, but if you give the questions you missed, I'll try to provide some explanations for ya.

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Post by SunDevil14 » Tue Nov 15, 2016 12:02 am

34iplaw wrote:
dj9i27 wrote:
SunDevil14 wrote:
Tazewell wrote:With time narrowing down, what is everyone's plan for the home stretch? 3-4 PTs a week? Drill? Same thing you've been doing?

I'm just genuinely curious to see what everyone has in store.

I think I'll keep doing 3 PTs a week, and reviewing and doing games on days that I don't take a PT. Will take Thanksgiving off, since I'll be in D.C. with my SO, then treat that last week like a normal week and put LSAT stuff away starting Thursday at 5.
Well first things first, finally broke out the #2 pencils, and will continue to use those until test day. I always used mechanical in the past. Like you I will be taking Thanksgiving off. I have 7 fresh PT's left. So my general plan is:

This Week:
-Drill Drill Drill the first half of this week (mainly RC and LR), take 2 PTs/Review the later half of this week, with a day of drilling in between.

Next Week:
-3 PT's/Review, space them out. On the days in between work on the "hardest" RC passages, LG games and, LR Questions.
-1 Writing section on Thanksgiving.

Week of the Test:
-2 PTs/Review, Tuesday and Thursday.
-Very light review the day before the test and writing section.

The general wisdom tends to be that unless you really struggle with writing basic arguments, then you do not have to practice. I am not concerned about writing ability or conveying arguments, I just want to have a sense of the timing as it pertains to making an outline and how much detail I can/cannot include for peace of mind.

I am also interested what others plans are.
Just going to add my two cents, I'd skip the writing section in lieu of more RC or LR it's really straight forward on test day.
I think one or two written sections is more than sufficient... many of us are out of the practice of frequent writing and I think it's important to do one or two just so it's something you don't even worry about.
I am doing my writing on the days, I'd otherwise do nothing. I am not sure if I really want to be hammering out LR or RC the day before the test or on Thanksgiving. From what I gather most advocated taking the day off and or going real easy on studying the day before the test.

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Post by SunDevil14 » Tue Nov 15, 2016 12:11 am

dj9i27 wrote:
Mikey wrote:
dj9i27 wrote:sit down at library for some RC time, people won't shut the hell up next to me, gets bit by spider. how is everyone else's day going?
i can focus around tons and tons of distractions with LR and LG, but with RC i literally need to be completely focused and if someone talks i will bug the f out
there can be a heavy metal band playing music and I'd still be okay with LG but same with RC. I'm thinking, "Bro it's a library and this test sucks. leave now." now I'm just doing games until they go away.
Lol hate when that happens. A few days back I was about to start WWIII with a socially maladjusted fellow possessing a roller backpack. I think his group project partner would have assisted me because he too seem bothered by the loud and goofy voice describing mundane facts of the kid's personal life.

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Post by 34iplaw » Tue Nov 15, 2016 12:21 am

Instrumental wrote:I went -6 on that RC also. went -2 on the Pop Art passage tho. Missed the main point question which is uncharacteristic for me and the following question about the author's attitude. RC is a chore, but if you give the questions you missed, I'll try to provide some explanations for ya.

TBH - I am at a loss for it (actually feeling better as I go through it... but it's just weird that I feel like I have two best of the worst a/cs...that's not all too common in RC for me). I'm going through it now. Using spoiler for sake of person taking it tomorrow!
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Question #) Answer Picked --> Answer BR [Actual Answer]

8) D --> B

[between B&D...I feel like D has to be wrong because his paintings aren't parodic reactions... they are more. On a redo, E looked more appealing, but E is wrong b/c we don't know whether his art reconciles pop art and fine art....so B makes sense to me.]

9) A --> E [E]

[between A&C&E...B&D I'm fine with getting rid of, as I don't think his work parodies youth and innocence nor is there support for the idea that his criticism is subtle...I feel like C is wrong because of the blatant rejection - as strong as this passage is, it feels too strong...between A&E, I went with A initially, b/c I felt like the things in E weren't necessarily at odds but that's not a relevant criticism...I think that I really need to switch to E, as that encapsulates the last paragraph which really seems to be what he's about]

10) A --> A [A]

[between A&C...I felt like I had to go with A... I felt the others were just reading further into it whereas it quite explicitly provides examples of the urge to show what was missing from contemporary works - contemporary life. I'm not sure of a great reason to get rid of C]

11) C --> B [E]

[I have no idea why I picked C...I was basically looking for pop art with some everyday objects in it that did not have cynicism. I eliminated E and D for the same reason...they seem to be talking about the pop art that Lichtenstein is distinguished from. C should probably be eliminated for a similar reason - we have no support for the idea that Lichtenstein had inner turmoil those are the early abstract expressionists. A seems wrong, as Lichtenstein's work doesn't employ 'realistic techniques.' I really hate B, but I feel like I would have to go with B.]


12) C --> D [D]

[basically, I think I'm looking for something that would imply that Lichtenstein was not distinguished from other pop artists or that he aloofly ignored the abstract expressionists rather than an actual rebellion against the fading emotional power of it. A can be eliminated, as I feel like it could only possibly strengthen the authors perception-it shows that Lichtenstein was quite aware of abstract expressionists...B can be eliminated, as I feel like it strengthens this - it's one case that's *atypical*...I picked C, but I don't see how it hurts anything, probably skipped over the early in my head - if anything, it shows that early abstract works did have emotional power which isn't something being contested...I feel like, between D&E, it has to be D...as that would be the movement lacking emotion? not confident on this one]

13) B --> B

[passage seems to be sort of whittling down to how Lichtenstein differs from all...E can be flat out rejected, as it is totally against the theme and tone...D can be rejected as well, as we are not discussing the evolution of his work... C seems like it's briefly mentioned at the bottom of paragraph 1, but it definitely does not feel remotely like a main point primary purpose or anything really - it seems ancillary... between A&B, I don't see the case for curiosity... B feels like a pretty good fit too... its in response to diminished emotional impact & showing what's missing from other contemporary artists' work]

14) A --> A [A]

[initially flag A - it seems pretty good... B we can get rid of, as we don't know anything about commercial art... C seems to be kind of wrong, as it's more about the current ones than the early ones-maybe if it said that OK but it doesn't... D is mixing up the rebellion with the distinguishing from other contemporary works and pop art...E is methods that Lichtenstein uses, so it doesn't make sense]

15) B --> B

[really no idea off the bat... all I can think of is diminished emotional impact...seemingly less of a force. I don't see support for A that it became more realistic... B I still kind of like interpreting intensity as the emotional nature of early work and the lyricism being pulled straight from the text about later ones. C seems to flip the order if anything... I would have loved this answered flipped. D I see no support for. E I feel like I'd maybe go for but I feel like I'm trying to force that in my mind.]


Really interested in the italicized ones...

So, if I include by far more than average BR to my typical BR score, this test would have been a BR LG-0; LR1-0; RC-1; LR-0 which is kinda dope.

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Post by SunDevil14 » Tue Nov 15, 2016 12:29 am

dj9i27 wrote:So while studying fatigued, does anyone else just kind of sorta quit when you miss a string of questions that you normally never miss? I feel like this is what I should fight through but don't want to burn through all of my non-PT material.
I try to build mental muscle and fight the fatigue for as long as I can. When I notice myself making a dumb error or two then that this the point I really slow down. No matter how difficult the question I am working on or how obvious the answer choice, I carefully analyze why each incorrect is in fact wrong, and why the correct answer is the best. A lot of the time I even diagram the questions and answer choices. By using the approach described above, you both fight through mental fatigue and burn though a minimal amount of fresh material. Granted, this is mostly for LR.

Alternatively, I switch over to my strength which is LG. I believe that I can do the games in my sleep, so I feel that intense mental fatigue is an opportunity to actualize that belief in a sense and build confidence. All bullshit aside, IMO LG is the best place to go when mentally fatigued, since ideally you want a very mechanistic approach that yields correct answers without expending much mental effort. Another area I like to turn to are formal logic questions on LR, for reasons similar to those described above.

I am firm believer that in order to improve, not only do you have to improve your best but also your worst. All that being said, on a few occasions I have thrown in the towel and called it a day.

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Post by SunDevil14 » Tue Nov 15, 2016 1:10 am

Any one else get mind fucked when attempting redo sections or PT's? Perhaps I am neurotic, but I have this odd trend where if I did unusually poorly on a section the first time then I am constantly second guessing myself on the second attempt. Sometimes I even select the correct answer, and somehow talk myself out because the results of the first attempt are lurking in mind mind when I attempt some of the questions. Most of the time the answers are immediately apparent and the mistake is stupid upon my review. On the other hand, If I do well on the first attempt, then I tend to do exceptionally well on the second attempt.

The occurrence has happened enough times that I know it is not a matter of certain questions or passages being inherently more difficult than others. Furthermore, If I cannot recall the outcome of the first attempt, then I usually do well and the effect is absent.

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34iplaw wrote:Really interested in the italicized ones...

So, if I include by far more than average BR to my typical BR score, this test would have been a BR LG-0; LR1-0; RC-1; LR-0 which is kinda dope.
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For 9: A is wrong because the author states that his art is more than just the rebellious aspects that are characteristic of parody (30-35)
B is out because he's not making a parody of youth and innocence, but rather using that as a foundation for his work through comic style
C. is wrong because the rejection isn't blatant, but rather aimed toward a specific generation of the abstract expressionists. Also wrong because the author's emotion doesn't seem to be pleasure in reference to that.
D. (which I originally chose) is out because Roy's criticism was not towards contemporary culture (explicitly not towards consumer culture 44-45), but contemporary painting that lacked realism and the excess sophistication in abstract expressionists and pop art.
E. Is correct because the Author notes the appreciation for realism that depicted contemporary life (35-38) and naivete (44-48).

10. C is not correct because those themes and objects were what the author states were missing from contemporary painting which could be abstract expressionism, but not necessarily. It could be missing from other styles of painting as well.

11. A is out for the reason you gave.
B is out because his human figures were like that of comic books and "highly stylized."
C is incorrect because as you said, the inner turmoil isn't said to be characteristic of Roy's work.
D. is out because he did not use vague shapes and images, but "commonplace objects and commercial-art techniques" and also comic book style (2-4)
E. Ends up being correct because Roy commented on society's values (i.e. the culture he inhabited 42-43) by using common place products like cars, hot dogs, and lamps 40-41.

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Guise, I am so unmotivated. This is bad news.

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Pozzo wrote:Guise, I am so unmotivated. This is bad news.
you're still going to a get a 179 on game day. best of luck homie!

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Post by Pozzo » Tue Nov 15, 2016 12:43 pm

Mikey wrote:
Pozzo wrote:Guise, I am so unmotivated. This is bad news.
you're still going to a get a 179 on game day. best of luck homie!
And yet, I'll still score a point lower than you. Mikey for 180!

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Post by Greenteachurro » Tue Nov 15, 2016 1:10 pm

dj9i27 wrote:
Pozzo wrote:Guise, I am so unmotivated. This is bad news.
Yep, me too. I figured it might be a burn out so I'm going to PT today and do some light RC Wednesday and Thursday taking Friday (and maybe Saturday off). Everything is there, might start meditating or something to relax my mind more, 100% going to the chiropractor before test day that stuff makes me feel amazing.
Yeah, you don't want to go into test day with bad mojo. At a certain caliber, a lot of what is going to make or break you, are going to be factors outside of test knowledge.

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Pozzo wrote:
Mikey wrote:
Pozzo wrote:Guise, I am so unmotivated. This is bad news.
you're still going to a get a 179 on game day. best of luck homie!
And yet, I'll still score a point lower than you. Mikey for 180!
Nonsense! RC would NEVER allow me to get even close to that. She hates me, and the feeling is mutual.

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Mikey wrote:
Pozzo wrote:
Mikey wrote:
Pozzo wrote:Guise, I am so unmotivated. This is bad news.
you're still going to a get a 179 on game day. best of luck homie!
And yet, I'll still score a point lower than you. Mikey for 180!
Nonsense! RC would NEVER allow me to get even close to that. She hates me, and the feeling is mutual.
She is a cruel mistress indeed.

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Pozzo wrote:
Mikey wrote:
Pozzo wrote:
Mikey wrote:
Pozzo wrote:Guise, I am so unmotivated. This is bad news.
you're still going to a get a 179 on game day. best of luck homie!
And yet, I'll still score a point lower than you. Mikey for 180!
Nonsense! RC would NEVER allow me to get even close to that. She hates me, and the feeling is mutual.
She is a cruel mistress indeed.
I hate RC. Can't wait to be done with her ass and move tf on with a divorce. LG is my side hoe tho, she's loyal, and doesn't play any games!

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Instrumental wrote:
34iplaw wrote:Really interested in the italicized ones...

So, if I include by far more than average BR to my typical BR score, this test would have been a BR LG-0; LR1-0; RC-1; LR-0 which is kinda dope.
[+] Spoiler
For 9: A is wrong because the author states that his art is more than just the rebellious aspects that are characteristic of parody (30-35)
B is out because he's not making a parody of youth and innocence, but rather using that as a foundation for his work through comic style
C. is wrong because the rejection isn't blatant, but rather aimed toward a specific generation of the abstract expressionists. Also wrong because the author's emotion doesn't seem to be pleasure in reference to that.
D. (which I originally chose) is out because Roy's criticism was not towards contemporary culture (explicitly not towards consumer culture 44-45), but contemporary painting that lacked realism and the excess sophistication in abstract expressionists and pop art.
E. Is correct because the Author notes the appreciation for realism that depicted contemporary life (35-38) and naivete (44-48).

10. C is not correct because those themes and objects were what the author states were missing from contemporary painting which could be abstract expressionism, but not necessarily. It could be missing from other styles of painting as well.

11. A is out for the reason you gave.
B is out because his human figures were like that of comic books and "highly stylized."
C is incorrect because as you said, the inner turmoil isn't said to be characteristic of Roy's work.
D. is out because he did not use vague shapes and images, but "commonplace objects and commercial-art techniques" and also comic book style (2-4)
E. Ends up being correct because Roy commented on society's values (i.e. the culture he inhabited 42-43) by using common place products like cars, hot dogs, and lamps 40-41.
Thanks dude.

PT2S1P1 #6 A vs. D anyone? Both seem good.

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Mikey wrote:
Pozzo wrote:
Mikey wrote:
Pozzo wrote:
Mikey wrote:
Pozzo wrote:Guise, I am so unmotivated. This is bad news.
you're still going to a get a 179 on game day. best of luck homie!
And yet, I'll still score a point lower than you. Mikey for 180!
Nonsense! RC would NEVER allow me to get even close to that. She hates me, and the feeling is mutual.
She is a cruel mistress indeed.
I hate RC. Can't wait to be done with her ass and move tf on with a divorce. LG is my side hoe tho, she's loyal, and doesn't play any games!

no pun intended
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SunDevil14 wrote:
Mikey wrote:
Pozzo wrote:
Mikey wrote:
Pozzo wrote:
Mikey wrote:
Pozzo wrote:Guise, I am so unmotivated. This is bad news.
you're still going to a get a 179 on game day. best of luck homie!
And yet, I'll still score a point lower than you. Mikey for 180!
Nonsense! RC would NEVER allow me to get even close to that. She hates me, and the feeling is mutual.
She is a cruel mistress indeed.
I hate RC. Can't wait to be done with her ass and move tf on with a divorce. LG is my side hoe tho, she's loyal, and doesn't play any games!

no pun intended
LG took my virginity and showed me the ropes. I did not know what I was doing at first, but now I am a pro.
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34iplaw wrote:
PS - Go to hell RC humanities passages.

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Mikey wrote:
34iplaw wrote:
PS - Go to hell RC humanities passages art passages.

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Post by Instrumental » Tue Nov 15, 2016 3:06 pm

Holy shit my last PT was not a fluke. I just took PT 46 this morning...
RC: -3
LR1: -1
LR2: -1
AR: -0 (Finished with 5:15) remaining

Score: 94/175

New best score too. I'm freakin out man. wtfffff

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