The Official June 2016 Study Group Forum

[dietcoke1]

Been scoring pretty high lately through PT 58. I know this has been covered but couldn't seem to find it. At what point are the PTs considered modern? 2010? 2012?

Theoretically, PT1 is when the LSAT became "modern".

PT52 is when comparative reading came in, and has not changed since.

I would warn you though, LSAT becomes much more "creative" with the tricks starting mid-60's in all aspects. I was scoring in 171-175 range up until PT 64 but ever since PT 65 my score range sunk to 168-171 range. RC especially becomes denser with challenging Q's. LG isn't that bad but it becomes much more inference-driven (rather than rule-driven). LSAC puts some nasty twist to LR that will keep you on your toes.

yeah i think somewhere between the low to mid 60s is where the switch gets flipped

Great. this is what I was looking for. thank you

[YupSports]

Drilled some RC today

I tried to treat each paragraph as a sentence in a LR problem, staying cognitive of how they all tie together.

I combined this with the "briefly summarize each paragraph in your head before moving on" technique.

Got 3 passages perfect and missed 2 on 4th - finished with 3 minutes remaining.

[Mikey]

Drilled some RC today

I tried to treat each paragraph as a sentence in a LR problem, staying cognitive of how they all tie together.

I combined this with the "briefly summarize each paragraph in your head before moving on" technique.

Got 3 passages perfect and missed 2 on 4th - finished with 3 minutes remaining.

That's what I've started doing, and so far it's been helping a bit.

[appind]

Been scoring pretty high lately through PT 58. I know this has been covered but couldn't seem to find it. At what point are the PTs considered modern? 2010? 2012?

Theoretically, PT1 is when the LSAT became "modern".

PT52 is when comparative reading came in, and has not changed since.

I would warn you though, LSAT becomes much more "creative" with the tricks starting mid-60's in all aspects. I was scoring in 171-175 range up until PT 64 but ever since PT 65 my score range sunk to 168-171 range. RC especially becomes denser with challenging Q's. LG isn't that bad but it becomes much more inference-driven (rather than rule-driven). LSAC puts some nasty twist to LR that will keep you on your toes.

yeah i think somewhere between the low to mid 60s is where the switch gets flipped

some late 50s PTs are probably just as difficult at least in RC. iirc willa cather and chinese talk story passages both appeared in late 50s PTs and rate amongst the toughest passages.

[Sean_33]

Been scoring pretty high lately through PT 58. I know this has been covered but couldn't seem to find it. At what point are the PTs considered modern? 2010? 2012?

Theoretically, PT1 is when the LSAT became "modern".

PT52 is when comparative reading came in, and has not changed since.

I would warn you though, LSAT becomes much more "creative" with the tricks starting mid-60's in all aspects. I was scoring in 171-175 range up until PT 64 but ever since PT 65 my score range sunk to 168-171 range. RC especially becomes denser with challenging Q's. LG isn't that bad but it becomes much more inference-driven (rather than rule-driven). LSAC puts some nasty twist to LR that will keep you on your toes.

yeah i think somewhere between the low to mid 60s is where the switch gets flipped

some late 50s PTs are probably just as difficult at least in RC. iirc willa cather and chinese talk story passages both appeared in late 50s PTs and rate amongst the toughest passages.

This is comforting. Just did the Chinese talk story passage and got rocked.

[somewhatferal]

Did a 4-section PT today to save to some time, so results might be unreliable.

PT 63, 177 (-1 LR, -0 LG, -3 RC)

Damn curve was not very generous. This was a June test, too.

[appind]

Drilled some RC today

I tried to treat each paragraph as a sentence in a LR problem, staying cognitive of how they all tie together.

I combined this with the "briefly summarize each paragraph in your head before moving on" technique.

Got 3 passages perfect and missed 2 on 4th - finished with 3 minutes remaining.

pt? that's solid rc performance.

[unodostres]

reviewed pt70. dropped a few points where I shouldn't have.

going to drill flaw questions and do some lg.

causation packet tomorrow with more lg and sprinkle in some rc.

finding it tough right now. anyone else in the same boat? im kinda wearing out even when taking breaks. just trying to stay focused on non-pt days.

[abcdefg1234567]

Did PT60 yesterday

LR -5
LG -1
LR -10 (yes, 10!)
RC -5

Staying consistent with LG and RC but seriously need help with LR. I've tried drills but my weakness is the time constraints. I'm planning on hitting 4 LR sections on my days off with broader time limits (start with 40 min) and slowly work down to 33 min. I did PT 41/42 LR sections today at 40 min limits and got -2, -2, -4, -3.

Any thoughts on this?

[Mikey]

Did PT60 yesterday

LR -5
LG -1
LR -10 (yes, 10!)
RC -5

Staying consistent with LG and RC but seriously need help with LR. I've tried drills but my weakness is the time constraints. I'm planning on hitting 4 LR sections on my days off with broader time limits (start with 40 min) and slowly work down to 33 min. I did PT 41/42 LR sections today at 40 min limits and got -2, -2, -4, -3.

Any thoughts on this?

I literally have the opposite problem from you. My RC is crap but my LR is decent, but of course can always use improvement. Are you blind reviewing your PT/individual LR sections? If not then you should BR, it's very helpful.

[CottonHarvest]

How do you score items that were removed from scoring? Do you count it as a correct answer toward your raw score on a pt?

[abcdefg1234567]

How do you score items that were removed from scoring? Do you count it as a correct answer toward your raw score on a pt?

I'm pretty sure it's calculated into the conversion chart. Use your raw score (which does not include items removed).

[abcdefg1234567]

Did PT60 yesterday

LR -5
LG -1
LR -10 (yes, 10!)
RC -5

Staying consistent with LG and RC but seriously need help with LR. I've tried drills but my weakness is the time constraints. I'm planning on hitting 4 LR sections on my days off with broader time limits (start with 40 min) and slowly work down to 33 min. I did PT 41/42 LR sections today at 40 min limits and got -2, -2, -4, -3.

Any thoughts on this?

I literally have the opposite problem from you. My RC is crap but my LR is decent, but of course can always use improvement. Are you blind reviewing your PT/individual LR sections? If not then you should BR, it's very helpful.

I did not on the 40 min sections. But I do for my PT's and get similar results. About -2 to -4. There're always 2 or 3 questions that make my head explode.

[appind]

Did PT60 yesterday

LR -5
LG -1
LR -10 (yes, 10!)
RC -5

Staying consistent with LG and RC but seriously need help with LR. I've tried drills but my weakness is the time constraints. I'm planning on hitting 4 LR sections on my days off with broader time limits (start with 40 min) and slowly work down to 33 min. I did PT 41/42 LR sections today at 40 min limits and got -2, -2, -4, -3.

Any thoughts on this?

one of the things that helped me on LR is to break down every argument stimuli into support and conclusion when approaching the question. it sounds straightforward but can get lost under test conditions so drilling it helps.

[dietcoke1]

Did PT 59 today.

Thought it was a notch harder than PTs 52-58. Especially the games section, I struggled to finish when usually finish with 2-3 minutes to spare.

[cantis]

Did PT 63 earlier this week.

Ended up with a 168. (-13)
LR1: -2
LG: -3
LR2: -5
RC: -3

Felt really off for some reason when I did LR2 and RC, though I was pleasantly surprised when I went back and checked RC.

I think I'm going to spend this week really perfecting games. They're easy for me but I need to work on pacing. I usually finish the section with 5-10 minutes left but I continue to make stupid mistakes that when I go back and I review I kick myself for making. (i.e. Looking at an answer, thinking it's right and circling it without actually checking the work)

[lawschoolbound17]

Just completed PT 58 and scored a 161. Could have done better but the games through me off and my struggle with mental fatigue continues. Made some dumb mistakes I would not have made had the test not followed a 9 hour work day. Not too happy about dropping but at least it's only a point. I'll take another test Saturday as well.

Hope all is going well for everyone else!

[ayylmao]

Now I'm going through a period where I appear to be getting games. Knowing me I'll eat shit spectacularly on my PT tomorrow, but it's nice to feel like you're in a groove.

[proteinshake]

do you all BR your PTs the same day or the day after you take a PT?

[R. Jeeves]

do you all BR your PTs the same day or the day after you take a PT?

I do it the day after to make sure I don't get lazy during the BR

[nerdylsat]

For those of you using the 7sage Analytics, have you noticed large deviations in your scores in sections that are rated as having the same difficulty?

For example in PT64, i went -7 in Section 1 (LR1), and then -2 in Section 3 (LR2), yet both are rated as "medium" difficulty.

I also went -4 on Section 4 (RC) rated as "hardest" yet I'm not very strong in RC, and sometimes score -6 on sections rated as "medium".

Maybe I'm just looking to much into this lol.

[ayylmao]

do you all BR your PTs the same day or the day after you take a PT?

Usually I'll do LG on the same day. I try to take a sizable break between PT and BR though, just so my mind doesn't turn into jelly.

[abcdefg1234567]

For those of you using the 7sage Analytics, have you noticed large deviations in your scores in sections that are rated as having the same difficulty?

For example in PT64, i went -7 in Section 1 (LR1), and then -2 in Section 3 (LR2), yet both are rated as "medium" difficulty.

I also went -4 on Section 4 (RC) rated as "hardest" yet I'm not very strong in RC, and sometimes score -6 on sections rated as "medium".

Maybe I'm just looking to much into this lol.

I have not. Usually go -6 or -9 in difficult and -2 to -5 in easy/medium. But I think what makes the sections particularly difficult is the placement of hard(er) questions (at least for me). I've noticed I do much better when the harder questions are spread out more compared to when they're strung together at the end. But maybe I too am overthinking it. lol

[YupSports]

Drilled some RC today

I tried to treat each paragraph as a sentence in a LR problem, staying cognitive of how they all tie together.

I combined this with the "briefly summarize each paragraph in your head before moving on" technique.

Got 3 passages perfect and missed 2 on 4th - finished with 3 minutes remaining.

pt? that's solid rc performance.

This was the section from PT 37.

Looking back, I should have aced the section, but missed some key words in answer choices.

[YupSports]

Now I'm going through a period where I appear to be getting games. Knowing me I'll eat shit spectacularly on my PT tomorrow, but it's nice to feel like you're in a groove.

Confidence is key. That way when you hit a tough question there is no panic.