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Post by 20170322 » Thu Dec 04, 2014 5:35 pm

mist4bison wrote:
SweetTort wrote:
penncon wrote:
SweetTort wrote: Hmmm... I'll have to chew on this one.
From my experience, I think it would be more beneficial to buy the downloadable packet. Especially if you are going to do blind review and retake practice tests. I've had to unbound and scan to make copies of PTs, which was a pain in the butt.

That is true. I just need to find a systematic way of remembering which questions I've already drilled.
Three options:

1) Save them.
2) Use a spreadsheet to track
3) Do them in the order oyu learn them and only repeat them once you've finished all of them once.


How does one track with a spreadsheet? Is there a default somewhere I can use?

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Re: The Official June 2015 Study Group

Post by a_parm » Sat Dec 06, 2014 11:26 pm

Count me in for the June LSAT. Took the LSAT today, but my study plan was very unstructured and short (1.5 months). Been scoring around 150. Just going to treat todays exam like an official PT and also gets rid of any first-time anxiety I might have had in June. I haven't been very active on this forum but plan to be from now on. This is what I was planning on doing:

1. Reread Logic Game Bible (purchased)
2. Read Manhattan LSAT LG book(will purchase)
3. Complete Cambridge LG by type PT 1-38 (purchased) (repeat complete packet until 0 wrong and easy under 6 min)
4. Read Manhattan LSAT LR book (purchased)
5. Complete LR by type packet PT 1-38 (will purchase)
6. Read Manhattan LSAT RC book (will purchase)
7. Read Powerscore RC book (will purchase)
8. Complete Cambridge RC packets (will purchase)

Also will be factoring in The Trainer in here somewhere (purchased).

Once I have mastered the PT 1-38 Cambridge packets for LG and LR, I'll buy the news ones and do those too.
Along the way, I will be taking a PT every 2 or 3 weeks till April and then 1 a week.

I am not working and will be studying full-time. Aiming for 170.

Adjustments? recommendations?

BTW, i havent studied all the material I purchased. As i said, i was distracted and had a very messy study plan.
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Re: The Official June 2015 Study Group

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Re: The Official June 2015 Study Group

Post by Cavetold » Sat Dec 06, 2014 11:51 pm

a_parm wrote:Count me in for the June LSAT. Took the LSAT today, but my study plan was very unstructured and short (1.5 months). Been scoring around 150. Just going to treat todays exam like an official PT and also gets rid of any first-time anxiety I might have had in June. I haven't been very active on this forum but plan to be from now on. This is what I was planning on doing:

1. Reread Logic Game Bible (purchased)
2. Read Manhattan LSAT LG book(will purchase)
3. Complete Cambridge LG by type PT 1-38 (purchased) (repeat complete packet until 0 wrong and easy under 6 min)
4. Read Manhattan LSAT LR book (purchased)
5. Complete LR by type packet PT 1-38 (will purchase)
6. Read Manhattan LSAT RC book (will purchase)
7. Read Powerscore RC book (will purchase)
8. Complete Cambridge RC packets (will purchase)

Once I have mastered the PT 1-38 Cambridge packets for LG and LR, I'll buy the news ones and do those too.
Along the way, I will be taking a PT every 2 or 3 weeks till April and then 1 a week.

I am not working and will be studying full-time. Aiming for 170.

Adjustments? recommendations?

BTW, i havent studied all the material I purchased. As i said, i was distracted and had a very messy study plan.
Sounds like you're rebounding pretty hard man. Is there a school you'd consider that a 150 would buy you? Just curious :)

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Re: The Official June 2015 Study Group

Post by a_parm » Sun Dec 07, 2014 1:03 am

mist4bison wrote:
a_parm wrote:Count me in for the June LSAT. Took the LSAT today, but my study plan was very unstructured and short (1.5 months). Been scoring around 150. Just going to treat todays exam like an official PT and also gets rid of any first-time anxiety I might have had in June. I haven't been very active on this forum but plan to be from now on. This is what I was planning on doing:

1. Reread Logic Game Bible (purchased)
2. Read Manhattan LSAT LG book(will purchase)
3. Complete Cambridge LG by type PT 1-38 (purchased) (repeat complete packet until 0 wrong and easy under 6 min)
4. Read Manhattan LSAT LR book (purchased)
5. Complete LR by type packet PT 1-38 (will purchase)
6. Read Manhattan LSAT RC book (will purchase)
7. Read Powerscore RC book (will purchase)
8. Complete Cambridge RC packets (will purchase)

Once I have mastered the PT 1-38 Cambridge packets for LG and LR, I'll buy the news ones and do those too.
Along the way, I will be taking a PT every 2 or 3 weeks till April and then 1 a week.

I am not working and will be studying full-time. Aiming for 170.

Adjustments? recommendations?

BTW, i havent studied all the material I purchased. As i said, i was distracted and had a very messy study plan.
Eek. that's a lot of books. Personally, I don't think it's worthwhile to use more than one source to study fundamentals. For example, with LG, you read a book to learn the fundamentals and then drill. You don't read a book to learn the fundamentals, read another to learn different fundamentals, and then drill. The fundamentals are the same. Yes, how they are taught is slightly different, but not significantly. LR is really the only type that using different sources might be beneficial, but the PS bible for LR sucks. For RC I think it's more practice than actually learning fundamentals.

I'd suggest PS for LG and Manhattan for LR. If you want to add in something else, I'd go with The Trainer, which covers all three topics.

In regards to drilling, I'd suggest buying the PTs and drills all at once and PTing while you drill. Not constantly, but at least a few times. You want to check progress and keep note of where your weaknesses lie. Hopefully you're buying all of these materials in PDF form, otherwise it becomes a little more difficult to reuse them.
Yes I am buying them all in PDFs. Thank you for your advice. I will begin with PS for LG and Manhattan for LR. Then will drill... if i need more improvement or can't get the grasp of something, I will consider another book. Yes, I have the The Trainer as well.

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Re: The Official June 2015 Study Group

Post by a_parm » Sun Dec 07, 2014 1:13 am

Cavetold wrote:
a_parm wrote:Count me in for the June LSAT. Took the LSAT today, but my study plan was very unstructured and short (1.5 months). Been scoring around 150. Just going to treat todays exam like an official PT and also gets rid of any first-time anxiety I might have had in June. I haven't been very active on this forum but plan to be from now on. This is what I was planning on doing:

1. Reread Logic Game Bible (purchased)
2. Read Manhattan LSAT LG book(will purchase)
3. Complete Cambridge LG by type PT 1-38 (purchased) (repeat complete packet until 0 wrong and easy under 6 min)
4. Read Manhattan LSAT LR book (purchased)
5. Complete LR by type packet PT 1-38 (will purchase)
6. Read Manhattan LSAT RC book (will purchase)
7. Read Powerscore RC book (will purchase)
8. Complete Cambridge RC packets (will purchase)

Once I have mastered the PT 1-38 Cambridge packets for LG and LR, I'll buy the news ones and do those too.
Along the way, I will be taking a PT every 2 or 3 weeks till April and then 1 a week.

I am not working and will be studying full-time. Aiming for 170.

Adjustments? recommendations?

BTW, i havent studied all the material I purchased. As i said, i was distracted and had a very messy study plan.
Sounds like you're rebounding pretty hard man. Is there a school you'd consider that a 150 would buy you? Just curious :)
I live in NYC and want to stay in state except for a few exceptions. In NY, choices are NYU and Fordham. And Georgetown is the exception I will make to go out of state (or Harvard ;) ). For NYU I have the GPA but seems like LSAT will be my weakness. Fordham seems reasonable. I might even try transferring to NYU after first year. I honestly don't want to consider anything below Fordham.

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Post by nlee10 » Sun Dec 07, 2014 1:20 am

a_parm wrote:
Cavetold wrote:
a_parm wrote:Count me in for the June LSAT. Took the LSAT today, but my study plan was very unstructured and short (1.5 months). Been scoring around 150. Just going to treat todays exam like an official PT and also gets rid of any first-time anxiety I might have had in June. I haven't been very active on this forum but plan to be from now on. This is what I was planning on doing:

1. Reread Logic Game Bible (purchased)
2. Read Manhattan LSAT LG book(will purchase)
3. Complete Cambridge LG by type PT 1-38 (purchased) (repeat complete packet until 0 wrong and easy under 6 min)
4. Read Manhattan LSAT LR book (purchased)
5. Complete LR by type packet PT 1-38 (will purchase)
6. Read Manhattan LSAT RC book (will purchase)
7. Read Powerscore RC book (will purchase)
8. Complete Cambridge RC packets (will purchase)

Once I have mastered the PT 1-38 Cambridge packets for LG and LR, I'll buy the news ones and do those too.
Along the way, I will be taking a PT every 2 or 3 weeks till April and then 1 a week.

I am not working and will be studying full-time. Aiming for 170.

Adjustments? recommendations?

BTW, i havent studied all the material I purchased. As i said, i was distracted and had a very messy study plan.
Sounds like you're rebounding pretty hard man. Is there a school you'd consider that a 150 would buy you? Just curious :)
I live in NYC and want to stay in state except for a few exceptions. In NY, choices are NYU and Fordham. And Georgetown is the exception I will make to go out of state (or Harvard ;) ). For NYU I have the GPA but seems like LSAT will be my weakness. Fordham seems reasonable. I might even try transferring to NYU after first year. I honestly don't want to consider anything below Fordham.
If you have the gpa for T14, then by all means make that 170 your score floor. I'm just a bitter SOB failing at padding my gpa with a 3.3. lol

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Post by RZ5646 » Sun Dec 07, 2014 1:52 pm

I'm going to agree with the others and say that you don't need all those books. You learn from practice, not from reading ad nauseam about the difference between sufficient and necessary condition, etc.

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Re: The Official June 2015 Study Group

Post by Cavetold » Sun Dec 07, 2014 3:49 pm

I was half way through an online PS course when I realized that I was blowing through material too fast. After reading all three bibles twice, there isn't really anything else that I cannot get for free that's worth spending any more money. Nothing has been more important for me with LR then getting a grasp on why I missed q's which sometimes requires explanations found free by googling the PT# and "explanations." There have been LR questions that I've literally spent an hour on before I either understood it or wrote it off as out of my scope (at that particular time). The best advice I ever received was from Ron Gore during one of the online PS classes. Essentially, wrong answers "aren't even close" to the correct answer. Now some questions seem so easy that I go back sometimes just to make sure I'm not falling for a shell game or something. Nothing has helped more (after getting a grasp of the fundamentals) then figuring out why I got answers wrong. I just think all that material will make it difficult to grasp the essence and true beauty of some of these questions LSAC has been so nice to create for our testing pleasure.

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Post by mist4bison » Sun Dec 07, 2014 4:10 pm

Cavetold wrote:I was half way through an online PS course when I realized that I was blowing through material too fast. After reading all three bibles twice, there isn't really anything else that I cannot get for free that's worth spending any more money. Nothing has been more important for me with LR then getting a grasp on why I missed q's which sometimes requires explanations found free by googling the PT# and "explanations." There have been LR questions that I've literally spent an hour on before I either understood it or wrote it off as out of my scope (at that particular time). The best advice I ever received was from Ron Gore during one of the online PS classes. Essentially, wrong answers "aren't even close" to the correct answer. Now some questions seem so easy that I go back sometimes just to make sure I'm not falling for a shell game or something. Nothing has helped more (after getting a grasp of the fundamentals) then figuring out why I got answers wrong. I just think all that material will make it difficult to grasp the essence and true beauty of some of these questions LSAC has been so nice to create for our testing pleasure.
For LR, look at the Manhattan forums if you need explanations.

You're on the right track. Figuring out why you got something wrong is a huge, often overlooked part of studying for the LSAT.

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Post by melmarie » Mon Dec 08, 2014 7:31 pm

June LSAT? Count me in. I took the Dec test and didn't do so well (nerves, getting sick, freezing up during LG...)

Anyway, I've studied for the past three months, but most weeks it was less than 10 hours (full-time job and a complete lack of understanding on how much time I should spend studying). My studying was all over the place as well- completely unorganized. I'm PTing in the mid-high 160s but I'm aiming for a 173+. I feel like I have the fundamentals down but I keep making stupid mistakes that are so obvious once I review :roll: . I need to work on my timing and probably incorporate other methods to answer questions. I used the PS LR Bible and it didn't help much. I also didn't do any prep for RC because I resigned myself to knowing it was my worst section, but hey, maybe I can improve.

I have the PS LG Bible, a free account on 7sage for LG, games grouped by type, LSAT SuperPep, and LR separated by type (Kaplan). I will be buying the Manhattan LR guide and LSAT Trainer. I will also start organizing all my study materials- making a document of all LR questions I get wrong and a spreadsheet logging my PT scores. Anything else I should be doing?

The only problem I'm running into is that I have done at least one section from every PT there is. I'm going to start from the early PTs and work my way up and hopefully there will be enough time in between each PT retake that it doesn't affect my diagnostic too much.

Last thing- what book/prep should I use for RC?

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no offence guys but if I have to join this group I'll be pissed.

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Post by 179orBust » Thu Dec 11, 2014 2:26 am

Hi Everyone,

Looking forward to hanging out with all of you over the next 6 months.

Just started my prep for the June exam by studying RC over the last several days. Read a few chapters of the Manhattan RC book and did some Level 1 RC passages (individually) from the Cambridge packets.
Results: Got 57/58 questions correct. Problem is that I'm taking between 8:30-10 minutes to complete a passage. This is concerning me since these passages are very easy, yet, I'm still taking way too much time. Maybe it's because I just started my prep and I'm a bit rusty. Anyone have any recommendations on how to improve with timing? I often find myself re-reading certain sentences/ paragraphs in order to fully grasp the passage. Don't really know how to break this habit.

Also, this thread does seem a bit dead to me. I remember the June 14' thread last year and it had around 30-40 pages this time of the year. What's going on lol?

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Post by I<3ScholarlySweets! » Thu Dec 11, 2014 6:17 am

Welp, less and less people are taking the LSAT so that's why there aren't too many people ITT:(

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Post by JackelJ » Thu Dec 11, 2014 9:24 am

I<3ScholarlySweets! wrote:Welp, less and less people are taking the LSAT so that's why there aren't too many people ITT:(
Not necessarily, the main reason is probably because the test is 6 months away. This thread probably won't become very active until after the February test, that's what happens for moth of the study threads on here.

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Post by I<3ScholarlySweets! » Thu Dec 11, 2014 9:27 am

179orBust said that around this time of year, 2014 thread had 30-40 more pages than the 2015 thread. So just cause the test is 6 months away can't be the MAIN reason.

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Post by JackelJ » Thu Dec 11, 2014 10:20 am

179orBust wrote:Hi Everyone,

Looking forward to hanging out with all of you over the next 6 months.

Just started my prep for the June exam by studying RC over the last several days. Read a few chapters of the Manhattan RC book and did some Level 1 RC passages (individually) from the Cambridge packets.
Results: Got 57/58 questions correct. Problem is that I'm taking between 8:30-10 minutes to complete a passage. This is concerning me since these passages are very easy, yet, I'm still taking way too much time. Maybe it's because I just started my prep and I'm a bit rusty. Anyone have any recommendations on how to improve with timing? I often find myself re-reading certain sentences/ paragraphs in order to fully grasp the passage. Don't really know how to break this habit.

Also, this thread does seem a bit dead to me. I remember the June 14' thread last year and it had around 30-40 pages this time of the year. What's going on lol?
Getting a good grasp on the passage is really important if you want to answer the questions quickly. Are you trying to read quickly? Because if you read quickly you might end up having to re-read when you get to answering the questions. I suggest training yourself to get all the information you need from the passage after the first read. The minute you stop understanding stop reading and don't move on in the passage until you do. While reading always be thinking about why the author wrote certain things, was it to support the main conclusion, give an example, respond to critics, etc. You have 6 months so I wouldn't worry about timing yet. The timing will naturally come when you are able to really understand the passage on the first read. Good luck!

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Post by RZ5646 » Thu Dec 11, 2014 3:29 pm

I second the above. Try to absorb important information the first time through; that's way better than half-assing it, even if you get a chance to reread. I've had times where I couldn't focus and/or read too fast and missed questions despite reading the entire passage twice and certain paragraphs like five times.

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Post by mds6d » Fri Dec 12, 2014 12:46 pm

If you happen to be reading this, I would really appreciate any insight you may have. I am trying to choose from two possible study plans for a June 2015 retake, which is in ~5.5 months from now -- If anyone has any feedback at all, feel free to let me know what you think.

1. First Possible Study Plan
- Read Manhattan LR, LG, & RC Books (4th Edition)
- Follow Manhattan's self-study plan which includes drilling from a huge book of questions grouped by question type from PT's 40-50 immediately following reading the chapters in the MLSAT books
- Read Manhattan's forums for any LR question explanations & watch 7sage for logic games


2. Second Possible Study Plan
- Read LSAT Trainer by Mike Kim
- Read Powerscore Logic Games Bible
- Drill from Cambridge LSAT Drilling Packets
- Read Manhattan's forums for any LR question explanations & watch 7sage for logic games


Both would incorporate full PT's throughout the study plan. I haven't taken this test in over a year, so I really want to hit the ground running. The first time around, my biggest weakness was Logic Games, but I think overall, my fundamentals on most of the question types were very shoddy. Thank you for reading this over

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Post by mist4bison » Fri Dec 12, 2014 1:19 pm

mds6d wrote:If you happen to be reading this, I would really appreciate any insight you may have. I am trying to choose from two possible study plans for a June 2015 retake, which is in ~5.5 months from now -- If anyone has any feedback at all, feel free to let me know what you think.

1. First Possible Study Plan
- Read Manhattan LR, LG, & RC Books (4th Edition)
- Follow Manhattan's self-study plan which includes drilling from a huge book of questions grouped by question type from PT's 40-50 immediately following reading the chapters in the MLSAT books
- Read Manhattan's forums for any LR question explanations & watch 7sage for logic games


2. Second Possible Study Plan
- Read LSAT Trainer by Mike Kim
- Read Powerscore Logic Games Bible
- Drill from Cambridge LSAT Drilling Packets
- Read Manhattan's forums for any LR question explanations & watch 7sage for logic games


Both would incorporate full PT's throughout the study plan. I haven't taken this test in over a year, so I really want to hit the ground running. The first time around, my biggest weakness was Logic Games, but I think overall, my fundamentals on most of the question types were very shoddy. Thank you for reading this over

Personally, I think Plan Two is better, but they could definitely be combined if you still feel you need help after finishing the Trainer. The Cambridge drills are going to be a better option than drilling from PT 40-50, as you'll want to save those to do full PTS. My only change to plan two would be using the LG bible before the Trainer. I used both (granted, I never finished the Trainer) and I still felt I got a lot of useful information from the Trainer even after having done the LG bible.

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Post by mds6d » Fri Dec 12, 2014 8:01 pm

Thanks for all of the advice. After some consideration, I've decided on the following plan, which is just a variation of the two I had originally come up with:

-Manhattan LR & Manhattan RC
-LSAT Trainer to supplement Manhattan
-Powerscore LG Bible
-Drill with Cambridge packets by question type
-MLSAT forums for LR explanations & 7sage for games explanations

I initially learned on MLSAT's format before my first take (which, admittedly, was quite a while ago), so their argument core approach feels the most natural and comfortable to me, personally.

What kind of PT schedule would you guys recommend, and using what PT's? People always suggest holding off on the 60s-70s until the last month or so before the test, but what about when we are ~5.5 months out? PT every week? Every other week? Should I start with PT 1 or go up to the 50s and work my way up. Focus on book work/drilling for the first 2 mo's and then practice timing for the last 3 mo's? I believe I only took about 5-6 full-length PT's before my first take, and I suspect this definitely set me back mentally going in on test day.

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