The Official June 2014 Study Group Forum

dardardelight · Post by **dardardelight** » Sun Mar 30, 2014 9:18 pm

Hahah I'd say so, jaylawyer. You have a lot more leverage with that high gpa. I'd say as long as you break 170, you'll be okay (assuming that you didn't go to a terrible undergrad college and have solid recs/Personal statement)

For me, I'd need at least a 172 and an ED application. Hopefully, I'll see you in morningside : ) we have a long way to go, however, and June is coming : /

bleakchimera2 · Post by **bleakchimera2** » Sun Mar 30, 2014 9:35 pm

Second practice test (from last week's 166): 167. Took preptest A, and LG completely ruined me. Again.

LR1: -1
RC: -3
LG: -8 (wtfffff)
LR2: -1

I completely blanked on the third game. I skipped it, came back to it (with admittedly not really enough time to do it right anyway)... but still couldn't do it. Completely absolutely nothing. After staring at it for a minute or so, I panicked and filled in all C's, which panicked me more and... yup. Logic games, bane of my existence. I haven't even done anything BUT prep LG specifically (besides the two full tests) for weeks, and not only am I not improving, I seem to be getting worse! Back to 7Sage...

Related: anyone have an opinion on actually drilling the 7Sage way? Like instead of waiting several days in between repetition of games, repeat them over and over in one sitting? I feel like I'd just be memorizing particular games, but at this point I'm frustrated enough to try anything.

alexrodriguez · Post by **alexrodriguez** » Sun Mar 30, 2014 11:12 pm

PT 36 - I took this PT in the food court of my mall.

LR -14
RC -17
LR -6
LG -12 (Really embarrassing. Use it or lose it)

Comes to a 146

After Blind Review

LR -9
RC -5
LR -6
LG -0 (Haven't actually blind reviewed the games yet, but trust me. It's -0)

Comes to a 163

I'm going to take another 35 PT's up until test day. I think I'll be alright.

alexrodriguez · Post by **alexrodriguez** » Sun Mar 30, 2014 11:14 pm

I'm really going to give it my best shot, but I know I'm not scoring in the 170's.

If I hit anywhere between 160-165 I'll be good to go. Just being realistic.

10052014 · Post by **10052014** » Sun Mar 30, 2014 11:39 pm

180kickflip · Post by **180kickflip** » Sun Mar 30, 2014 11:43 pm

dardardelight wrote:Hahah I'd say so, jaylawyer. You have a lot more leverage with that high gpa. I'd say as long as you break 170, you'll be okay (assuming that you didn't go to a terrible undergrad college and have solid recs/Personal statement)

For me, I'd need at least a 172 and an ED application. Hopefully, I'll see you in morningside : ) we have a long way to go, however, and June is coming : /

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10052014 · Post by **10052014** » Sun Mar 30, 2014 11:49 pm

dd235 · Post by **dd235** » Sun Mar 30, 2014 11:55 pm

Ya PT C is one of the harder ones... you are definitely not alone!

I just got back from my spring break. Gettin back into the thick of things starting tomorrow. I am planning on taking a PT tomorrow and blind reviewing it on Tuesday, and then reading the Manhattan LR book starting wednesday (its the only major LR book I haven’t read yet and I’ve heard pretty good things about it).

How long do you guys think it will take me to get through Manhattan LR? I plan on spending about 5 or 6 hours a day reading it and drilling.

myoung7189 · Post by **myoung7189** » Mon Mar 31, 2014 4:27 am

superpep A

EXP (PT 41) RC -0
LR1 -2
RC -2
LG -6 (bangs head against table repeatedly)
LR2 -2

168

Trying to stay positive and that's is tough for a cynic like me. So, I'm grateful for the RC scores because it is by far my worst section. Don't feel too bad bleakchimera2 about the third game because it pillaged me as well.

avocatchat · Post by **avocatchat** » Mon Mar 31, 2014 11:39 am

WaltGrace83 · Post by **WaltGrace83** » Mon Mar 31, 2014 2:07 pm

avocatchat wrote:What's the best way to improve speed on LG?

I got -1 with ease on my diagnostic so I wasn't too worried about this section, but I've taken two PTs since then and gotten -9 and -11 solely due to running out of time!
It seems weird that when I had no idea what I was getting into, I completed it faster than I can now, when I know what to expect... am I overthinking?

I know it's probably just a matter of practicing more, but are there any particular study methods that are better for improving speed? Drill individual problem sets or whole sections, or separate by game type, or something else?

It's not speed, it's process. You should only run out of time if you are using the "plug and chug" method on more than a few questions per section. I'd recommend you analyze your process by going through 7sage videos. It's all about making those inferences and connecting the dots. Don't work faster; work smarter. This goes for the whole LSAT to be honest.

santoki · Post by **santoki** » Mon Mar 31, 2014 2:34 pm

avocatchat wrote:What's the best way to improve speed on LG?

I got -1 with ease on my diagnostic so I wasn't too worried about this section, but I've taken two PTs since then and gotten -9 and -11 solely due to running out of time!
It seems weird that when I had no idea what I was getting into, I completed it faster than I can now, when I know what to expect... am I overthinking?

I know it's probably just a matter of practicing more, but are there any particular study methods that are better for improving speed? Drill individual problem sets or whole sections, or separate by game type, or something else?

one small tip that i've found helps is that when you are actually going through the questions and you create some hypotheticals, make sure that you mark which ones are valid and which ones are not so that as you go forward you know which ones you can use and which ones not.

its minor but it can save considerable time!

Straw_Mandible · Post by **Straw_Mandible** » Mon Mar 31, 2014 2:36 pm

WaltGrace83 wrote:
It's not speed, it's process. You should only run out of time if you are using the "plug and chug" method on more than a few questions per section. I'd recommend you analyze your process by going through 7sage videos. It's all about making those inferences and connecting the dots. Don't work faster; work smarter. This goes for the whole LSAT to be honest.

This, to the 180th power. Well said.

santoki · Post by **santoki** » Mon Mar 31, 2014 4:09 pm

i know this is the wrong forum, but people ITT seem to be more chill than those in other boards. just a quick question- when will we know what the new GPA/LSAT medians/percentiles are for the new rankings?

rebexness · Post by **rebexness** » Mon Mar 31, 2014 4:10 pm

santoki wrote:i know this is the wrong forum, but people ITT seem to be more chill than those in other boards. just a quick question- when will we know what the new GPA/LSAT medians/percentiles are for the new rankings?

They were released in September. Class of 2017 data.

santoki · Post by **santoki** » Mon Mar 31, 2014 4:45 pm

rebexness wrote:
santoki wrote:i know this is the wrong forum, but people ITT seem to be more chill than those in other boards. just a quick question- when will we know what the new GPA/LSAT medians/percentiles are for the new rankings?
They were released in September. Class of 2017 data.

after a ton of searching, im guessing (hoping) you mean the c/o 2016 data released in august?

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc ... XZnc#gid=0

dardardelight · Post by **dardardelight** » Mon Mar 31, 2014 5:01 pm

myoung7189 wrote:superpep A

EXP (PT 41) RC -0
LR1 -2
RC -2
LG -6 (bangs head against table repeatedly)
LR2 -2

168

Trying to stay positive and that's is tough for a cynic like me. So, I'm grateful for the RC scores because it is by far my worst section. Don't feel too bad bleakchimera2 about the third game because it pillaged me as well.

I just took the same exact PT and scored pretty much the same . That 4th circular LG game was killer for me too . I usually get like -6 on RC, but I scored -3 on this one, so I'm with you there. Do you think the RC section for this PT was abnormally easy ? I'd like to think we're just getting better

avocatchat · Post by **avocatchat** » Mon Mar 31, 2014 9:41 pm

10052014 · Post by **10052014** » Mon Mar 31, 2014 11:23 pm

givemea180 · Post by **givemea180** » Mon Mar 31, 2014 11:30 pm

So if I don't get at least a 170 in June I'm retaking. Posting g here for the extra accountability. Anyone else have a hard number cutoff for a retake?

10052014 · Post by **10052014** » Mon Mar 31, 2014 11:31 pm

180kickflip · Post by **180kickflip** » Mon Mar 31, 2014 11:37 pm

jaylawyer09 wrote:
givemea180 wrote:So if I don't get at least a 170 in June I'm retaking. Posting g here for the extra accountability. Anyone else have a hard number cutoff for a retake?
same, 170 for me.

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givemea180 · Post by **givemea180** » Mon Mar 31, 2014 11:42 pm

jaylawyer09 wrote:
givemea180 wrote:So if I don't get at least a 170 in June I'm retaking. Posting g here for the extra accountability. Anyone else have a hard number cutoff for a retake?
same, 170 for me.

Freedom from this test hanging over my head is enough motivation for me to keep grinding away towards that score.

Also talked to a friend today who got a 173 on the real deal after his highest pt was a 167. Obviously not TCR but just a little extra hope for everyone who needs those few points.

givemea180 · Post by **givemea180** » Tue Apr 01, 2014 12:01 am

180kickflip wrote:
jaylawyer09 wrote:
givemea180 wrote:So if I don't get at least a 170 in June I'm retaking. Posting g here for the extra accountability. Anyone else have a hard number cutoff for a retake?
same, 170 for me.
Same. But I'll def. be happy with anything 167+

It will be really hard to put the effort into retaking if I'm only a few points short

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