The Official September 2016 Study Group - WAKE ME UP WHEN SEPTEMBER ENDS Forum

[proteinshake]

checking in as well! I'm giving myself until Friday to recover from today's results and will be joining you all come this weekend. Here's hoping the third time truly is the charm!

Any advice from retakers on how to best study for a retake would be greatly appreciated!

THIS

also my third take. I went through the Trainer in a month, went through Manhattan LG, and am going through Manhattan LR. drilling after every chapter. since you just took the exam you could just skip the Trainer and go straight to drilling and/or Manhattan. it's really not much different to approaching the test the first time.

Protein: Did you use MLSAT LG's way of diagramming? I find their grouping diagraming kind of weird? Should I just stick with it, or is there a better way? LGB also seemed sort of confusing...

ETA: When you went through the Trainer in a month, did you also have time to do all the drills and stuff in the book and from the PTs? I'm thinking of going through it again because I skipped a bunch of stuff last time.

are you talking about the logic chain? yes I use it and love it! I don't like the LGB method but I know there's also a tree method similar to the pure sequencing games, but I don't use it, you might have seen it in a 7Sage vid. what troubles you about the Logic Chain? if it isn't anything besides its 'weirdness' I wouldn't worry! do you have trouble using it?

and I did not drill when I went through the Trainer. I had a class and didn't have much time!

[Alexandros]

So I took PT 56 yesterday. And I feel like I am barely seeing an improvement. I had -1 in LG (stupid mistake), -3 in RC ( I need to increase my speed just a bit more because I didn't have time to finish the last two questions). But my LR destroyed me. -5 and -6. And I have been drilling them for three weeks now.... I keep consistently having the same problem areas, MSS, Flaw, NA. I am not even finishing the sections on time. On one of them I didn't get to last 4 questions! and the other one 1 skipped one question in middle, and didn't have time to do last 2 questions. How can I improve my speed? How can I drill more efficiently? Anybody have any ideas specifically for LR? I don't even know at this point what can I do to make it better.

I was stuck in the -4/-5 rut for quite a while with what seemed to be very little improvement, so I completely get your frustration. Manhattan LR was really helpful, if you haven't explored it yet. Also, make sure you go through each question you get wrong and are able to clearly understand / explain in words why the answer you picked was wrong and the correct answer was right. (SweetTort's idea about typing that out is excellent.) There are also "by type" books that could help you focus on the specific types that are causing you trouble.

Good luck! You CAN get better, even if you're already doing quite well. In my experience, the LR process is slow, tedious, and frustrating and you don't get the quick improvement you often can get for LG.

[Barack O'Drama]

checking in as well! I'm giving myself until Friday to recover from today's results and will be joining you all come this weekend. Here's hoping the third time truly is the charm!

Any advice from retakers on how to best study for a retake would be greatly appreciated!

THIS

also my third take. I went through the Trainer in a month, went through Manhattan LG, and am going through Manhattan LR. drilling after every chapter. since you just took the exam you could just skip the Trainer and go straight to drilling and/or Manhattan. it's really not much different to approaching the test the first time.

Protein: Did you use MLSAT LG's way of diagramming? I find their grouping diagraming kind of weird? Should I just stick with it, or is there a better way? LGB also seemed sort of confusing...

ETA: When you went through the Trainer in a month, did you also have time to do all the drills and stuff in the book and from the PTs? I'm thinking of going through it again because I skipped a bunch of stuff last time.

are you talking about the logic chain? yes I use it and love it! I don't like the LGB method but I know there's also a tree method similar to the pure sequencing games, but I don't use it, you might have seen it in a 7Sage vid. what troubles you about the Logic Chain? if it isn't anything besides its 'weirdness' I wouldn't worry! do you have trouble using it?

and I did not drill when I went through the Trainer. I had a class and didn't have much time!

I guess I just got intimidated and didn't really understand it. Do you think it is worth going back and learning. I looked at it for about 10 minutes today and was like WHAT!? It just had me completely lost. If you think it is worth learning then I am definitely going to go back and learn it. I was going to just use 7Sage's method of kind of just diagramming and running through the rules for every question.

[proteinshake]

checking in as well! I'm giving myself until Friday to recover from today's results and will be joining you all come this weekend. Here's hoping the third time truly is the charm!

Any advice from retakers on how to best study for a retake would be greatly appreciated!

THIS

also my third take. I went through the Trainer in a month, went through Manhattan LG, and am going through Manhattan LR. drilling after every chapter. since you just took the exam you could just skip the Trainer and go straight to drilling and/or Manhattan. it's really not much different to approaching the test the first time.

Protein: Did you use MLSAT LG's way of diagramming? I find their grouping diagraming kind of weird? Should I just stick with it, or is there a better way? LGB also seemed sort of confusing...

ETA: When you went through the Trainer in a month, did you also have time to do all the drills and stuff in the book and from the PTs? I'm thinking of going through it again because I skipped a bunch of stuff last time.

are you talking about the logic chain? yes I use it and love it! I don't like the LGB method but I know there's also a tree method similar to the pure sequencing games, but I don't use it, you might have seen it in a 7Sage vid. what troubles you about the Logic Chain? if it isn't anything besides its 'weirdness' I wouldn't worry! do you have trouble using it?

and I did not drill when I went through the Trainer. I had a class and didn't have much time!

I guess I just got intimidated and didn't really understand it. Do you think it is worth going back and learning. I looked at it for about 10 minutes today and was like WHAT!? It just had me completely lost. If you think it is worth learning than I am definitely going to go back and learn it. I was going to just use 7Sage's method of kind of just diagramming and running through the rules for every question.

hm. I would definitely go back and try to learn it. it's REALLY easy once you get the hang of it. the biggest thing about it is once you make it, it has ALL the inferences you need for a pure grouping game!

edit: if you really end up not liking it, try 7Sage's method!

[Barack O'Drama]

checking in as well! I'm giving myself until Friday to recover from today's results and will be joining you all come this weekend. Here's hoping the third time truly is the charm!

Any advice from retakers on how to best study for a retake would be greatly appreciated!

THIS

also my third take. I went through the Trainer in a month, went through Manhattan LG, and am going through Manhattan LR. drilling after every chapter. since you just took the exam you could just skip the Trainer and go straight to drilling and/or Manhattan. it's really not much different to approaching the test the first time.

Protein: Did you use MLSAT LG's way of diagramming? I find their grouping diagraming kind of weird? Should I just stick with it, or is there a better way? LGB also seemed sort of confusing...

ETA: When you went through the Trainer in a month, did you also have time to do all the drills and stuff in the book and from the PTs? I'm thinking of going through it again because I skipped a bunch of stuff last time.

are you talking about the logic chain? yes I use it and love it! I don't like the LGB method but I know there's also a tree method similar to the pure sequencing games, but I don't use it, you might have seen it in a 7Sage vid. what troubles you about the Logic Chain? if it isn't anything besides its 'weirdness' I wouldn't worry! do you have trouble using it?

and I did not drill when I went through the Trainer. I had a class and didn't have much time!

I guess I just got intimidated and didn't really understand it. Do you think it is worth going back and learning. I looked at it for about 10 minutes today and was like WHAT!? It just had me completely lost. If you think it is worth learning than I am definitely going to go back and learn it. I was going to just use 7Sage's method of kind of just diagramming and running through the rules for every question.

hm. I would definitely go back and try to learn it. it's REALLY easy once you get the hang of it. the biggest thing about it is once you make it, it has ALL the inferences you need for a pure grouping game!

edit: if you really end up not liking it, try 7Sage's method!

I think I am going to learn it. I think I just got intimidated because it was totally new to me and I got a bit lazy. Tonight I am going to try to go back and see how to master it. It does seem like once you get the hang of it, it can be very useful.

Thanks

[Motivated]

So I took PT 56 yesterday. And I feel like I am barely seeing an improvement. I had -1 in LG (stupid mistake), -3 in RC ( I need to increase my speed just a bit more because I didn't have time to finish the last two questions). But my LR destroyed me. -5 and -6. And I have been drilling them for three weeks now.... I keep consistently having the same problem areas, MSS, Flaw, NA. I am not even finishing the sections on time. On one of them I didn't get to last 4 questions! and the other one 1 skipped one question in middle, and didn't have time to do last 2 questions. How can I improve my speed? How can I drill more efficiently? Anybody have any ideas specifically for LR? I don't even know at this point what can I do to make it better.

I was stuck in the -4/-5 rut for quite a while with what seemed to be very little improvement, so I completely get your frustration. Manhattan LR was really helpful, if you haven't explored it yet. Also, make sure you go through each question you get wrong and are able to clearly understand / explain in words why the answer you picked was wrong and the correct answer was right. (SweetTort's idea about typing that out is excellent.) There are also "by type" books that could help you focus on the specific types that are causing you trouble.

Good luck! You CAN get better, even if you're already doing quite well. In my experience, the LR process is slow, tedious, and frustrating and you don't get the quick improvement you often can get for LG.

Thank you so much!! I have the Manhattan book, but I have kind of not used it. I was more into drilling by type and looking at powerscore for the last three weeks. I'll pick it up again and read the chapters. At least about my problem areas. Thank you for your help. I'll start typing the questions I get wrong too. I have recently started using notability and actually typing on them why each answer choice is wrong versus rights. What my method was, and compare it to why I chose a certain answer the last time. For me, the problem is not that I get it wrong, I get at most 2 wrong, but that I end up not finishing 3-4 questions at the end. I am slow. And that has to do with being faster, which is just not happening. Its hard to be like, why wasn't I faster?

I feel like the general advice for getting faster is that I need to know my fundamentals more so I can be faster. That I need to recognize patterns. I just don't know how to pinpoint those areas where exactly I am having issue with? and see where exactly I am going wrong. I guess after three weeks of getting around the same score for LR, its just getting frustrating.

[Motivated]

So I took PT 56 yesterday. And I feel like I am barely seeing an improvement. I had -1 in LG (stupid mistake), -3 in RC ( I need to increase my speed just a bit more because I didn't have time to finish the last two questions). But my LR destroyed me. -5 and -6. And I have been drilling them for three weeks now.... I keep consistently having the same problem areas, MSS, Flaw, NA. I am not even finishing the sections on time. On one of them I didn't get to last 4 questions! and the other one 1 skipped one question in middle, and didn't have time to do last 2 questions. How can I improve my speed? How can I drill more efficiently? Anybody have any ideas specifically for LR? I don't even know at this point what can I do to make it better.

I was stuck in the -4/-5 rut for quite a while with what seemed to be very little improvement, so I completely get your frustration. Manhattan LR was really helpful, if you haven't explored it yet. Also, make sure you go through each question you get wrong and are able to clearly understand / explain in words why the answer you picked was wrong and the correct answer was right. (SweetTort's idea about typing that out is excellent.) There are also "by type" books that could help you focus on the specific types that are causing you trouble.

Good luck! You CAN get better, even if you're already doing quite well. In my experience, the LR process is slow, tedious, and frustrating and you don't get the quick improvement you often can get for LG.

Thank you so much!! I have the Manhattan book, but I have kind of not used it. I was more into drilling by type and looking at powerscore for the last three weeks. I'll pick it up again and read the chapters. At least about my problem areas. Thank you for your help. I'll start typing the questions I get wrong too. I have recently started using notability and actually typing on them why each answer choice is wrong versus rights. What my method was, and compare it to why I chose a certain answer the last time. For me, the problem is not that I get it wrong, I get at most 2 wrong, but that I end up not finishing 3-4 questions at the end. I am slow. And that has to do with being faster, which is just not happening. Its hard to be like, why wasn't I faster?

I feel like the general advice for getting faster is that I need to know my fundamentals more so I can be faster. That I need to recognize patterns. I just don't know how to pinpoint those areas where exactly I am having issue with? and see where exactly I am going wrong. I guess after three weeks of getting around the same score for LR, its just getting frustrating.

Also, I don't know but it seems studying LR is the least rewarding in terms of score increase. I study LG only the day before I take a PT, RC approximately 1-2 days, and 4 -5 days I usually dedicate to LR. Granted I dont' study all day, I also have a job. But I feel like at this point with that much time spent on LR, I should see some improvement, rather than being stuck.

[ngogirl12]

Man, I love TLS and you guys! Always great community and advice, much appreciate Iplaw. I think a technique like that could only help.

Also, you are an awesome writer. I'm definitely going to need your expertise with my PS/DS..

Haha - thanks. I am quite frequently reading and editing other peoples' statements in the PS forum while delaying working more on my own, so I'm totally down!

Just finished the 100 question Testmasters homework on type one question. Got 9/10 on the last ten... 91/100 overall I think? The *second* I saw that I got the wrong answer, I knew *immediately* that I misread the statement and missed the distinction between *flash pasteurization* and *intense pasteurization.* I think these are easier question types overall, but I think I did fairly well with the homework overall. I feel like it's good that I recognize my error before even getting into the explanations, but I rather not be making the errors period. It's early yet though.

Haha! I know I see you correcting everyone's and you always have great advice, and boy am I going to need it, so thank you immensely

And your progress seems nothing short of incredible. 91/100 overall is great, and what is even better is that you recognize why you missed some of them, which is arguably more important than the right answer sometimes. Seems like your course is helping a bunch. And, yes, it is still early so you have tons of time for improvement. I need to find a way to start implementing LR and RC into my LG studying. I suck so much at LG that I have been completely neglecting the other sections...I think tomorrow I am going to try to devote some time to LR...Maybe begin with a chapter out of MLSAT LR and then drill the corresponding chapter out of Cambridge. I think I'm going to need to start studying 8 hours a day because the 4-5 hours just aren't enough time to work on all the sections for me. I'm hoping this week to get a good grasp on grouping games. Just when I was starting to get some confidence after getting better at ordering, now these!

Me too. Re: 8 hours studying per day.. I'm also finding studying a few hours a day is not enough..

+1 I've bumped it up from 3 hours to like 4-6

Yeah, this is going to be the most boring summer of my life by far! I just would hate for it to be mid-August and feel like I'm fucked because I didn't put the time in when I had it. Over 3 months an extra hour or two a day can make a huge difference.

This is all going to pay off...Especially if a few points get us into our dream schools and/or get us $$$

+1

[mwells56]

Well people, my grind has officially begun. Did the first 2 hours of 7sage yesterday, brought my notebook to work so I can knock off a half hour during my lunch break. 3.5 weeks until I come home from Asia and will be able to go hard and use those 3 weeks before the registration deadline to officially decide if I'll be taking in September.

The journey to 180 starts now! (or... like... at least a 170....preferably a 172...but it's chill...right?)

[ngogirl12]

So I took PT 56 yesterday. And I feel like I am barely seeing an improvement. I had -1 in LG (stupid mistake), -3 in RC ( I need to increase my speed just a bit more because I didn't have time to finish the last two questions). But my LR destroyed me. -5 and -6. And I have been drilling them for three weeks now.... I keep consistently having the same problem areas, MSS, Flaw, NA. I am not even finishing the sections on time. On one of them I didn't get to last 4 questions! and the other one 1 skipped one question in middle, and didn't have time to do last 2 questions. How can I improve my speed? How can I drill more efficiently? Anybody have any ideas specifically for LR? I don't even know at this point what can I do to make it better.

I was stuck in the -4/-5 rut for quite a while with what seemed to be very little improvement, so I completely get your frustration. Manhattan LR was really helpful, if you haven't explored it yet. Also, make sure you go through each question you get wrong and are able to clearly understand / explain in words why the answer you picked was wrong and the correct answer was right. (SweetTort's idea about typing that out is excellent.) There are also "by type" books that could help you focus on the specific types that are causing you trouble.

Good luck! You CAN get better, even if you're already doing quite well. In my experience, the LR process is slow, tedious, and frustrating and you don't get the quick improvement you often can get for LG.

Thank you so much!! I have the Manhattan book, but I have kind of not used it. I was more into drilling by type and looking at powerscore for the last three weeks. I'll pick it up again and read the chapters. At least about my problem areas. Thank you for your help. I'll start typing the questions I get wrong too. I have recently started using notability and actually typing on them why each answer choice is wrong versus rights. What my method was, and compare it to why I chose a certain answer the last time. For me, the problem is not that I get it wrong, I get at most 2 wrong, but that I end up not finishing 3-4 questions at the end. I am slow. And that has to do with being faster, which is just not happening. Its hard to be like, why wasn't I faster?

I feel like the general advice for getting faster is that I need to know my fundamentals more so I can be faster. That I need to recognize patterns. I just don't know how to pinpoint those areas where exactly I am having issue with? and see where exactly I am going wrong. I guess after three weeks of getting around the same score for LR, its just getting frustrating.

Also, I don't know but it seems studying LR is the least rewarding in terms of score increase. I study LG only the day before I take a PT, RC approximately 1-2 days, and 4 -5 days I usually dedicate to LR. Granted I dont' study all day, I also have a job. But I feel like at this point with that much time spent on LR, I should see some improvement, rather than being stuck.

I haven't started PTing yet but I'm REALLY hoping I will around 2 weeks from now. I want to finish doing my 7Sage curriculum and LR drilling before I start, but I find when I study LR I don't get as much time getting the other two in.

[Motivated]

So I took PT 56 yesterday. And I feel like I am barely seeing an improvement. I had -1 in LG (stupid mistake), -3 in RC ( I need to increase my speed just a bit more because I didn't have time to finish the last two questions). But my LR destroyed me. -5 and -6. And I have been drilling them for three weeks now.... I keep consistently having the same problem areas, MSS, Flaw, NA. I am not even finishing the sections on time. On one of them I didn't get to last 4 questions! and the other one 1 skipped one question in middle, and didn't have time to do last 2 questions. How can I improve my speed? How can I drill more efficiently? Anybody have any ideas specifically for LR? I don't even know at this point what can I do to make it better.

I was stuck in the -4/-5 rut for quite a while with what seemed to be very little improvement, so I completely get your frustration. Manhattan LR was really helpful, if you haven't explored it yet. Also, make sure you go through each question you get wrong and are able to clearly understand / explain in words why the answer you picked was wrong and the correct answer was right. (SweetTort's idea about typing that out is excellent.) There are also "by type" books that could help you focus on the specific types that are causing you trouble.

Good luck! You CAN get better, even if you're already doing quite well. In my experience, the LR process is slow, tedious, and frustrating and you don't get the quick improvement you often can get for LG.

Thank you so much!! I have the Manhattan book, but I have kind of not used it. I was more into drilling by type and looking at powerscore for the last three weeks. I'll pick it up again and read the chapters. At least about my problem areas. Thank you for your help. I'll start typing the questions I get wrong too. I have recently started using notability and actually typing on them why each answer choice is wrong versus rights. What my method was, and compare it to why I chose a certain answer the last time. For me, the problem is not that I get it wrong, I get at most 2 wrong, but that I end up not finishing 3-4 questions at the end. I am slow. And that has to do with being faster, which is just not happening. Its hard to be like, why wasn't I faster?

I feel like the general advice for getting faster is that I need to know my fundamentals more so I can be faster. That I need to recognize patterns. I just don't know how to pinpoint those areas where exactly I am having issue with? and see where exactly I am going wrong. I guess after three weeks of getting around the same score for LR, its just getting frustrating.

Also, I don't know but it seems studying LR is the least rewarding in terms of score increase. I study LG only the day before I take a PT, RC approximately 1-2 days, and 4 -5 days I usually dedicate to LR. Granted I dont' study all day, I also have a job. But I feel like at this point with that much time spent on LR, I should see some improvement, rather than being stuck.

I haven't started PTing yet but I'm REALLY hoping I will around 2 weeks from now. I want to finish doing my 7Sage curriculum and LR drilling before I start, but I find when I study LR I don't get as much time getting the other two in.

Thanks. I am excited for you to start PTing. In my opinion taking a PT is like jumping in cold water and seeing if you have learned how to swim well yet. And then hoping within a couple of months you can compete at the Olympic level ;D

[Ferrisjso]

Did -8 on both LR,-9 on LG and -12 on RC. Interesting thing is I got the first 10 questions on three of the four sections right then collapsed as time wound down. Guess I need to work on my time management. On the RC for example I started off 10-0, then went 5-12 the rest of the way.

[Deardevil]

Hi, Septemberers!

How does one work on LR?
Thought I had it down after reading the LRB,
but after a two-week hiatus (been grinding the games),
I barely understood anything from the first test in the Official LSAT SuperPrep.
Maybe it's the ambiguous language from decades back? I don't know...
How do you find modern tests when compared to the older ones?

I did the first section and half of the next LR;
have a feeling I got around 10/37 since I recall circling almost everything I was uncertain on.
Any tips/methods around this? TIA!

[Motivated]

Hi, Septemberers!

How does one work on LR?
Thought I had it down after reading the LRB,
but after a two-week hiatus (been grinding the games),
I barely understood anything from the first test in the Official LSAT SuperPrep.
Maybe it's the ambiguous language from decades back? I don't know...
How do you find modern tests when compared to the older ones?

I did the first section and half of the next LR;
have a feeling I got around 10/37 since I recall circling almost everything I was uncertain on.
Any tips/methods around this? TIA!

Two weeks ago, I had been studying PTing with the older LSATs. And Last week I took the new one, well "newer". I took PT 57 last week versus before that I had used PT 1-20 for drilling, and 21-34 for PTing or timed section practice. And honestly My score with PT 57 is in the same range as my PT 32, 33, and 34. Interestingly, the same problem areas are still present. So I don't think there is a big difference. I didn't feel any difference.

EDIT: Actually there was only one, the comparative Reading comprehesion passage was new. It was the first time I actually worked on one except when I was working on my LR bible. But I only got -3 total. I didn't miss any on the comparative passage. I don't think in terms of testing certain skills anything really changed between those PT's. I hope this helps.

[legallyadog]

Not just a lurker anymore... Got June results in and I'm in it for September now. Diagnostic was 152, PT average was 169-170 and scored 166 on June. -6 LG, -9 LR, -2 RC. I'm kicking myself because I pretty much only go -0 on LG on PTs and everything else was in line with what I was doing during practice. Well, hopefully I can figure out LR like I did RC and LG so I don't have to bank on those two to get me to 170.

lol I lied -3 RC, -8 LR

[Alexandros]

So I took PT 56 yesterday. And I feel like I am barely seeing an improvement. I had -1 in LG (stupid mistake), -3 in RC ( I need to increase my speed just a bit more because I didn't have time to finish the last two questions). But my LR destroyed me. -5 and -6. And I have been drilling them for three weeks now.... I keep consistently having the same problem areas, MSS, Flaw, NA. I am not even finishing the sections on time. On one of them I didn't get to last 4 questions! and the other one 1 skipped one question in middle, and didn't have time to do last 2 questions. How can I improve my speed? How can I drill more efficiently? Anybody have any ideas specifically for LR? I don't even know at this point what can I do to make it better.

I was stuck in the -4/-5 rut for quite a while with what seemed to be very little improvement, so I completely get your frustration. Manhattan LR was really helpful, if you haven't explored it yet. Also, make sure you go through each question you get wrong and are able to clearly understand / explain in words why the answer you picked was wrong and the correct answer was right. (SweetTort's idea about typing that out is excellent.) There are also "by type" books that could help you focus on the specific types that are causing you trouble.

Good luck! You CAN get better, even if you're already doing quite well. In my experience, the LR process is slow, tedious, and frustrating and you don't get the quick improvement you often can get for LG.

Thank you so much!! I have the Manhattan book, but I have kind of not used it. I was more into drilling by type and looking at powerscore for the last three weeks. I'll pick it up again and read the chapters. At least about my problem areas. Thank you for your help. I'll start typing the questions I get wrong too. I have recently started using notability and actually typing on them why each answer choice is wrong versus rights. What my method was, and compare it to why I chose a certain answer the last time. For me, the problem is not that I get it wrong, I get at most 2 wrong, but that I end up not finishing 3-4 questions at the end. I am slow. And that has to do with being faster, which is just not happening. Its hard to be like, why wasn't I faster?

I feel like the general advice for getting faster is that I need to know my fundamentals more so I can be faster. That I need to recognize patterns. I just don't know how to pinpoint those areas where exactly I am having issue with? and see where exactly I am going wrong. I guess after three weeks of getting around the same score for LR, its just getting frustrating.

I definitely agree that the best method for getting faster is knowing the fundamentals better and thus being able to perform them faster. One thing you could try though, at least as an exercise - this might be a terrible idea and isn't something that should be a long term strategy - is forcing yourself to go faster / sacrificing accuracy for speed. Rely on intuition a bit, when you find the answer don't dwell, glance through the rest, check it off and move on. Again, this isn't something that should be a long term strategy, but if you're losing more questions to speed than accuracy, you might find that you don't need quite as much time as you're spending per question to solve it correctly or that you're overthinking some of them.

[Alexandros]

Latest in LG adventures: June 1992 G 1 with letter grades of ABCDE and the mention that grades are only consecutive if they're consecutive in the alphabet. I automatically draw a squiggly line between D and E and cross off any subject that must have a letter grade consecutive with another subject, because, I mean, in no way are D and E alphabetically consecutive.

Turns out I was wrong about that. Who knew? Guess I'll be incorporating the Alphabet Song into LSAT prep.

[Alexandros]

Not just a lurker anymore... Got June results in and I'm in it for September now. Diagnostic was 152, PT average was 169-170 and scored 166 on June. -6 LG, -9 LR, -2 RC. I'm kicking myself because I pretty much only go -0 on LG on PTs and everything else was in line with what I was doing during practice. Well, hopefully I can figure out LR like I did RC and LG so I don't have to bank on those two to get me to 170.

lol I lied -3 RC, -8 LR

Welcome!!

[Barack O'Drama]

hi !

joining in as well. I scored a 163 on the Dec LSAT and aiming for a 170.
I screwed up on games and reading comp.
does anyone have any suggestions that they have for RC?

Yeah, unfortunately, like everything else on the LSAT, tons of practice will make you better. I would stay away from Reading comprehension bible, and try Manhattan RC. I have it and think it is much better than the bible. Also, people on this forum like Blueprints RC as well. I haven't studied RC in earnest, just what I read in the LSAT Trainer and skimming through the MLSAT RC.

Are any type of particular passage giving you trouble (e.g, science, humanities, social sciences, etc)? You could try getting some drill-by-type books...

[Barack O'Drama]

Not just a lurker anymore... Got June results in and I'm in it for September now. Diagnostic was 152, PT average was 169-170 and scored 166 on June. -6 LG, -9 LR, -2 RC. I'm kicking myself because I pretty much only go -0 on LG on PTs and everything else was in line with what I was doing during practice. Well, hopefully I can figure out LR like I did RC and LG so I don't have to bank on those two to get me to 170.

lol I lied -3 RC, -8 LR

Welcome aboard, friend. You'll kill it this September if you stick with us. This thread and all the wonderful peeps on here, not only motivate, but give great advice as well!

For LR the Manhattan LR helped me go from -9 to -4 or -5 in about 3 weeks. I highly recommend it! Also, The LSAT Trainer have me an incredible base upon which to build my skills. You'll get them down, just gotta drill, drill, and drill some more

[Barack O'Drama]

Well people, my grind has officially begun. Did the first 2 hours of 7sage yesterday, brought my notebook to work so I can knock off a half hour during my lunch break. 3.5 weeks until I come home from Asia and will be able to go hard and use those 3 weeks before the registration deadline to officially decide if I'll be taking in September.

The journey to 180 starts now! (or... like... at least a 170....preferably a 172...but it's chill...right?)

That's the attitude to have! The Journey to 180! Consistent and deliberate actions will lead to that 170+ Also, 7Sage is amazing. Good choice.

[Motivated]

So I took PT 56 yesterday. And I feel like I am barely seeing an improvement. I had -1 in LG (stupid mistake), -3 in RC ( I need to increase my speed just a bit more because I didn't have time to finish the last two questions). But my LR destroyed me. -5 and -6. And I have been drilling them for three weeks now.... I keep consistently having the same problem areas, MSS, Flaw, NA. I am not even finishing the sections on time. On one of them I didn't get to last 4 questions! and the other one 1 skipped one question in middle, and didn't have time to do last 2 questions. How can I improve my speed? How can I drill more efficiently? Anybody have any ideas specifically for LR? I don't even know at this point what can I do to make it better.

I was stuck in the -4/-5 rut for quite a while with what seemed to be very little improvement, so I completely get your frustration. Manhattan LR was really helpful, if you haven't explored it yet. Also, make sure you go through each question you get wrong and are able to clearly understand / explain in words why the answer you picked was wrong and the correct answer was right. (SweetTort's idea about typing that out is excellent.) There are also "by type" books that could help you focus on the specific types that are causing you trouble.

Good luck! You CAN get better, even if you're already doing quite well. In my experience, the LR process is slow, tedious, and frustrating and you don't get the quick improvement you often can get for LG.

Thank you so much!! I have the Manhattan book, but I have kind of not used it. I was more into drilling by type and looking at powerscore for the last three weeks. I'll pick it up again and read the chapters. At least about my problem areas. Thank you for your help. I'll start typing the questions I get wrong too. I have recently started using notability and actually typing on them why each answer choice is wrong versus rights. What my method was, and compare it to why I chose a certain answer the last time. For me, the problem is not that I get it wrong, I get at most 2 wrong, but that I end up not finishing 3-4 questions at the end. I am slow. And that has to do with being faster, which is just not happening. Its hard to be like, why wasn't I faster?

I feel like the general advice for getting faster is that I need to know my fundamentals more so I can be faster. That I need to recognize patterns. I just don't know how to pinpoint those areas where exactly I am having issue with? and see where exactly I am going wrong. I guess after three weeks of getting around the same score for LR, its just getting frustrating.

I definitely agree that the best method for getting faster is knowing the fundamentals better and thus being able to perform them faster. One thing you could try though, at least as an exercise - this might be a terrible idea and isn't something that should be a long term strategy - is forcing yourself to go faster / sacrificing accuracy for speed. Rely on intuition a bit, when you find the answer don't dwell, glance through the rest, check it off and move on. Again, this isn't something that should be a long term strategy, but if you're losing more questions to speed than accuracy, you might find that you don't need quite as much time as you're spending per question to solve it correctly or that you're overthinking some of them.

Thank you I'll go ahead and try that when I drill an LR sec tomorrow.

[mwells56]

Well people, my grind has officially begun. Did the first 2 hours of 7sage yesterday, brought my notebook to work so I can knock off a half hour during my lunch break. 3.5 weeks until I come home from Asia and will be able to go hard and use those 3 weeks before the registration deadline to officially decide if I'll be taking in September.

The journey to 180 starts now! (or... like... at least a 170....preferably a 172...but it's chill...right?)

That's the attitude to have! The Journey to 180! Consistent and deliberate actions will lead to that 170+ Also, 7Sage is amazing. Good choice.

Haha, I wish that was my real attitude and not just a joke, but thank you.

I've been lurking with some light posting the last few weeks, I've seen you around a lot. Would like to commend you as a quality poster.

[legallyadog]

Not just a lurker anymore... Got June results in and I'm in it for September now. Diagnostic was 152, PT average was 169-170 and scored 166 on June. -6 LG, -9 LR, -2 RC. I'm kicking myself because I pretty much only go -0 on LG on PTs and everything else was in line with what I was doing during practice. Well, hopefully I can figure out LR like I did RC and LG so I don't have to bank on those two to get me to 170.

lol I lied -3 RC, -8 LR

Welcome aboard, friend. You'll kill it this September if you stick with us. This thread and all the wonderful peeps on here, not only motivate, but give great advice as well!

For LR the Manhattan LR helped me go from -9 to -4 or -5 in about 3 weeks. I highly recommend it! Also, The LSAT Trainer have me an incredible base upon which to build my skills. You'll get them down, just gotta drill, drill, and drill some more

Thanks! I'll try Manhattan LR out. My problem questions are inference and assumption, mostly because my formal logic is weak. Really wish I would've taken that logic course instead of ethics...

[Barack O'Drama]

Well people, my grind has officially begun. Did the first 2 hours of 7sage yesterday, brought my notebook to work so I can knock off a half hour during my lunch break. 3.5 weeks until I come home from Asia and will be able to go hard and use those 3 weeks before the registration deadline to officially decide if I'll be taking in September.

The journey to 180 starts now! (or... like... at least a 170....preferably a 172...but it's chill...right?)

That's the attitude to have! The Journey to 180! Consistent and deliberate actions will lead to that 170+ Also, 7Sage is amazing. Good choice.

Haha, I wish that was my real attitude and not just a joke, but thank you.

I've been lurking with some light posting the last few weeks, I've seen you around a lot. Would like to commend you as a quality poster.

Thank you, mwells!