The Official October Waiter's Oasis Forum

[mist4bison]

New poll suggestions: age or major.

Also, you fuckers better actually vote in the primary then and make this happen. Young people love Sanders but he'll probably lose because young people don't vote.

Not true. His issue is with non-white democrats and white moderates. His support comes mainly from white liberals. It's not an issue of age that will keep him away, but more an issue of the number of democrats he appeals to.

[TheProdigal]

Anyone else think Bernie and Trump are basically the same candidate, just on opposite ends of the spectrum? Nobody really likes their proposed policies or expects them to be effective leaders, but they're doing well because they seem genuine. No other politician seems half as sincere or human as Bernie or Trump.

Curious why you think people don't think Sanders will be an effective leader? He's had over 20 years of experience in politics including being a mayor and civil rights leader

I actually don't know much about him, but I've always seen him portrayed as this crazy old leftwing guy. He seems like too much of an idealist to be an effective politician. He's that guy who stands up for what he believes in and constantly gets screwed over for it. But that's precisely what makes him an attractive candidate to many people.

And what may well give him an advantage over Clinton in the general. Democrats are going to take some blame for the relatively weak economic recovery, but his economic populism may give him an advantage she can't match.

[cub1014]

Anyone else think Bernie and Trump are basically the same candidate, just on opposite ends of the spectrum? Nobody really likes their proposed policies or expects them to be effective leaders, but they're doing well because they seem genuine. No other politician seems half as sincere or human as Bernie or Trump.

Nope.

There are significant differences. Number one probably being the fact that Bernie is an experienced politician. Two, he's always stood his ground on issues, unlike Trump who changes his mind every couple years. Three, in fact, those policies Bernie holds are all liberal, while Trump is freaking everywhere--right on this issue and left on this one. Four, Bernie's' campaign actually discusses issues; it doesn't send water bottles and ask for unrealistic implementations, like a wall. Five, Trump is a threat not only to the American people as a whole, but his own party as well. I can understand where some on the right would argue Sanders is a threat to the US, but I doubt anyone to the left would argue that Sanders is a threat to Democrats.

I think the only exception to Bernie's liberalism is on gun control. He does have a history of moderating his position on that issue, probably because of his constituency.

[RZ5646]

Anyone else think Bernie and Trump are basically the same candidate, just on opposite ends of the spectrum? Nobody really likes their proposed policies or expects them to be effective leaders, but they're doing well because they seem genuine. No other politician seems half as sincere or human as Bernie or Trump.

Nope.

There are significant differences. Number one probably being the fact that Bernie is an experienced politician. Two, he's always stood his ground on issues, unlike Trump who changes his mind every couple years. Three, in fact, those policies Bernie holds are all liberal, while Trump is freaking everywhere--right on this issue and left on this one. Four, Bernie's' campaign actually discusses issues; it doesn't send water bottles and ask for unrealistic implementations, like a wall. Five, Trump is a threat not only to the American people as a whole, but his own party as well. I can understand where some on the right would argue Sanders is a threat to the US, but I doubt anyone to the left would argue that Sanders is a threat to Democrats.

Obviously there are differences, but I think that these two are similar because they appeal to voters for the exact same primary reason.

[cub1014]

New poll suggestions: age or major.

Also, you fuckers better actually vote in the primary then and make this happen. Young people love Sanders but he'll probably lose because young people don't vote.

Not true. His issue is with non-white democrats and white moderates. His support comes mainly from white liberals. It's not an issue of age that will keep him away, but more an issue of the number of democrats he appeals to.

Actually you are right. Although this will be the central issue in the general assuming Bernie does win the nomination.

[mist4bison]

Anyone else think Bernie and Trump are basically the same candidate, just on opposite ends of the spectrum? Nobody really likes their proposed policies or expects them to be effective leaders, but they're doing well because they seem genuine. No other politician seems half as sincere or human as Bernie or Trump.

Nope.

There are significant differences. Number one probably being the fact that Bernie is an experienced politician. Two, he's always stood his ground on issues, unlike Trump who changes his mind every couple years. Three, in fact, those policies Bernie holds are all liberal, while Trump is freaking everywhere--right on this issue and left on this one. Four, Bernie's' campaign actually discusses issues; it doesn't send water bottles and ask for unrealistic implementations, like a wall. Five, Trump is a threat not only to the American people as a whole, but his own party as well. I can understand where some on the right would argue Sanders is a threat to the US, but I doubt anyone to the left would argue that Sanders is a threat to Democrats.

Obviously there are differences, but I think that these two are similar because they appeal to voters for the exact same primary reason.

I can agree that people both like that Trump and Bernie speak there mind, but I don't think that's the primary reason peole like them. I think a lot of people like Trump because he's not a politician. At least, that's the main reason I've seen from his supporters. I think a lot of people like Bernie because he addresses issues they give a shit about and his stances are just common sense (to a lot of White liberals).

[TheProdigal]

New poll suggestions: age or major.

Also, you fuckers better actually vote in the primary then and make this happen. Young people love Sanders but he'll probably lose because young people don't vote.

Not true. His issue is with non-white democrats and white moderates. His support comes mainly from white liberals. It's not an issue of age that will keep him away, but more an issue of the number of democrats he appeals to.

Actually you are right. Although this will be the central issue in the general assuming Bernie does win the nomination.

Of course. But if he can expand the Democrat tent by bringing back working-class whites (which there are some early indicators of), then he can stand to lose some turnout among AA voters.

Moderate Dems aren't going to jump ship to vote for a Rubio or Bush just because there's an unabashed liberal progressive running.

[vested]

Anyone else think Bernie and Trump are basically the same candidate, just on opposite ends of the spectrum? Nobody really likes their proposed policies or expects them to be effective leaders, but they're doing well because they seem genuine. No other politician seems half as sincere or human as Bernie or Trump.

Nope.

There are significant differences. Number one probably being the fact that Bernie is an experienced politician. Two, he's always stood his ground on issues, unlike Trump who changes his mind every couple years. Three, in fact, those policies Bernie holds are all liberal, while Trump is freaking everywhere--right on this issue and left on this one. Four, Bernie's' campaign actually discusses issues; it doesn't send water bottles and ask for unrealistic implementations, like a wall. Five, Trump is a threat not only to the American people as a whole, but his own party as well. I can understand where some on the right would argue Sanders is a threat to the US, but I doubt anyone to the left would argue that Sanders is a threat to Democrats.

Obviously there are differences, but I think that these two are similar because they appeal to voters for the exact same primary reason.

I can agree that people both like that Trump and Bernie speak there mind, but I don't think that's the primary reason peole like them. I think a lot of people like Trump because he's not a politician. At least, that's the main reason I've seen from his supporters. I think a lot of people like Bernie because he addresses issues they give a shit about and his stances are just common sense (to a lot of White liberals).

Thinking of Donald Trump as a "sincere human" terrifies me, given that so much of what he says/does is intentionally sensational. I'm not necessarily saying he's a bad person (and we can't ascertain the real personality of any public figure), but I can't call his message "human" at all.

[RZ5646]

Anyone else think Bernie and Trump are basically the same candidate, just on opposite ends of the spectrum? Nobody really likes their proposed policies or expects them to be effective leaders, but they're doing well because they seem genuine. No other politician seems half as sincere or human as Bernie or Trump.

Nope.

There are significant differences. Number one probably being the fact that Bernie is an experienced politician. Two, he's always stood his ground on issues, unlike Trump who changes his mind every couple years. Three, in fact, those policies Bernie holds are all liberal, while Trump is freaking everywhere--right on this issue and left on this one. Four, Bernie's' campaign actually discusses issues; it doesn't send water bottles and ask for unrealistic implementations, like a wall. Five, Trump is a threat not only to the American people as a whole, but his own party as well. I can understand where some on the right would argue Sanders is a threat to the US, but I doubt anyone to the left would argue that Sanders is a threat to Democrats.

Obviously there are differences, but I think that these two are similar because they appeal to voters for the exact same primary reason.

I can agree that people both like that Trump and Bernie speak there mind, but I don't think that's the primary reason peole like them. I think a lot of people like Trump because he's not a politician. At least, that's the main reason I've seen from his supporters. I think a lot of people like Bernie because he addresses issues they give a shit about and his stances are just common sense (to a lot of White liberals).

See, I'd argue that Bernie's appeal is that he's not a politician either

[mist4bison]

Anyone else think Bernie and Trump are basically the same candidate, just on opposite ends of the spectrum? Nobody really likes their proposed policies or expects them to be effective leaders, but they're doing well because they seem genuine. No other politician seems half as sincere or human as Bernie or Trump.

Nope.

There are significant differences. Number one probably being the fact that Bernie is an experienced politician. Two, he's always stood his ground on issues, unlike Trump who changes his mind every couple years. Three, in fact, those policies Bernie holds are all liberal, while Trump is freaking everywhere--right on this issue and left on this one. Four, Bernie's' campaign actually discusses issues; it doesn't send water bottles and ask for unrealistic implementations, like a wall. Five, Trump is a threat not only to the American people as a whole, but his own party as well. I can understand where some on the right would argue Sanders is a threat to the US, but I doubt anyone to the left would argue that Sanders is a threat to Democrats.

Obviously there are differences, but I think that these two are similar because they appeal to voters for the exact same primary reason.

I can agree that people both like that Trump and Bernie speak there mind, but I don't think that's the primary reason peole like them. I think a lot of people like Trump because he's not a politician. At least, that's the main reason I've seen from his supporters. I think a lot of people like Bernie because he addresses issues they give a shit about and his stances are just common sense (to a lot of White liberals).

See, I'd argue that Bernie's appeal is that he's not a politician either

He's been a politician since the early 70s...

[SirArthurDayne]

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[cheesy145]

Anyone else think Bernie and Trump are basically the same candidate, just on opposite ends of the spectrum? Nobody really likes their proposed policies or expects them to be effective leaders, but they're doing well because they seem genuine. No other politician seems half as sincere or human as Bernie or Trump.

Nope.

There are significant differences. Number one probably being the fact that Bernie is an experienced politician. Two, he's always stood his ground on issues, unlike Trump who changes his mind every couple years. Three, in fact, those policies Bernie holds are all liberal, while Trump is freaking everywhere--right on this issue and left on this one. Four, Bernie's' campaign actually discusses issues; it doesn't send water bottles and ask for unrealistic implementations, like a wall. Five, Trump is a threat not only to the American people as a whole, but his own party as well. I can understand where some on the right would argue Sanders is a threat to the US, but I doubt anyone to the left would argue that Sanders is a threat to Democrats.

Obviously there are differences, but I think that these two are similar because they appeal to voters for the exact same primary reason.

I can agree that people both like that Trump and Bernie speak there mind, but I don't think that's the primary reason peole like them. I think a lot of people like Trump because he's not a politician. At least, that's the main reason I've seen from his supporters. I think a lot of people like Bernie because he addresses issues they give a shit about and his stances are just common sense (to a lot of White liberals).

See, I'd argue that Bernie's appeal is that he's not a politician either

I think you need to do a little more research on Sanders...

[cheesy145]

So does Trump have what it takes to actually win the primary?

The numbers so far seem to be in his favor (which is terrifying)

[mist4bison]

So does Trump have what it takes to actually win the primary?

The numbers so far seem to be in his favor (which is terrifying)

Yeah, it wouldn't surprise me if he got it honestly. He's a big front runner who would be very difficult to overtake

Eta: not saying it can't be done, but it would be difficult and I can't really see any current candidates succeeding

[RZ5646]

Anyone else think Bernie and Trump are basically the same candidate, just on opposite ends of the spectrum? Nobody really likes their proposed policies or expects them to be effective leaders, but they're doing well because they seem genuine. No other politician seems half as sincere or human as Bernie or Trump.

Nope.

There are significant differences. Number one probably being the fact that Bernie is an experienced politician. Two, he's always stood his ground on issues, unlike Trump who changes his mind every couple years. Three, in fact, those policies Bernie holds are all liberal, while Trump is freaking everywhere--right on this issue and left on this one. Four, Bernie's' campaign actually discusses issues; it doesn't send water bottles and ask for unrealistic implementations, like a wall. Five, Trump is a threat not only to the American people as a whole, but his own party as well. I can understand where some on the right would argue Sanders is a threat to the US, but I doubt anyone to the left would argue that Sanders is a threat to Democrats.

Obviously there are differences, but I think that these two are similar because they appeal to voters for the exact same primary reason.

I can agree that people both like that Trump and Bernie speak there mind, but I don't think that's the primary reason peole like them. I think a lot of people like Trump because he's not a politician. At least, that's the main reason I've seen from his supporters. I think a lot of people like Bernie because he addresses issues they give a shit about and his stances are just common sense (to a lot of White liberals).

Thinking of Donald Trump as a "sincere human" terrifies me, given that so much of what he says/does is intentionally sensational. I'm not necessarily saying he's a bad person (and we can't ascertain the real personality of any public figure), but I can't call his message "human" at all.

It's not his message that makes him seem sincere and human, but the fact that he wants to be president just because he's greedy and attention-seeking, and that he does nothing to hide this. Voters think most other politicians have the same selfish motives, but they try to hide theirs by talking about "duty to the nation" or whatever, while everyone can see that Trump is exploiting popular prejudices to further his own ends in an almost comically transparent fashion (or do I overestimate people?), so he seems honest in comparison. While other politicians wear masks and try to hide their machinations, Trump's schemes are obvious and almost bumbling in a charming way, and we're in on the joke, so to speak.

[RZ5646]

See, I'd argue that Bernie's appeal is that he's not a politician either

He's been a politician since the early 70s...

You knew what I meant

[cheesy145]

So does Trump have what it takes to actually win the primary?

The numbers so far seem to be in his favor (which is terrifying)

Yeah, it wouldn't surprise me if he got it honestly. He's a big front runner who would be very difficult to overtake

If Trump wins the Repulican nomination a Democrat is basically guaranteed to win. I think a good amount t of Republicans would rather vote democrat than for Trump

[SirArthurDayne]

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[nlee10]

So does Trump have what it takes to actually win the primary?

The numbers so far seem to be in his favor (which is terrifying)

I think his numbers will continue to decline as we get further down the primary with more debates and polls. I personally don't want an "outsider" so that rules out trump, Carson, and HP lady.

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[SirArthurDayne]

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[joeycxxxx09]

It will be Rubio/Kasich(VP) ticket vs. a Clinton/???? ticket. Bet on it. That will give the Repubs huge advantages in OH/FL. And with Kasich being more moderate he will be able to balance Rubio out in the general. Trump will falter when it comes time to vote; Bernie is too liberal for the general election, he wouldn't even get 40% of the popular vote.

[mist4bison]

So does Trump have what it takes to actually win the primary?

The numbers so far seem to be in his favor (which is terrifying)

I think his numbers will continue to decline as we get further down the primary with more debates and polls. I personally don't want an "outsider" so that rules out trump, Carson, and HP lady.

hP lady lol. Fiorina is a fucking disgrace to women everywhere.

I don't know if I agree. Everyone has continuously predicted that Trump will go down, and yet he's held strong. He's also starting to take advice from an advisor finally, which is evident from his past few interviews.

[SirArthurDayne]

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[nondescript]

So does Trump have what it takes to actually win the primary?

The numbers so far seem to be in his favor (which is terrifying)

Yeah, it wouldn't surprise me if he got it honestly. He's a big front runner who would be very difficult to overtake

If Trump wins the Repulican nomination a Democrat is basically guaranteed to win. I think a good amount t of Republicans would rather vote democrat than for Trump

I really want him to win the primary for just that reason. Plus, another year of entertainment.