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Re: The Official June 2015 Study Group

Post by thingone » Tue Feb 17, 2015 8:05 pm

Question re LR (I'm going through the LRB) as it has been kicking my ass the past few days... :oops:

When I get a question wrong and look at the explanations for the right answer / wrong answer, all I really get in my head is a "oh, I see." In other words, the feeling I get after reading the explanation is mostly "i should have paid more attention to <insert particular word here>" or "ah, i didn't see that hole which really is a weak point.." etc etc. For LG, I get a sense of what rule / relationship I didn't really understand and, thus, can actively work to remember / memorize / understand said rule (e.g. conditionals). when i do a new game, i feel the improvement (or lack thereof).

LR, in contrast, just makes me feel stupid when i get it incorrect-- why did I get the wrong answer? careless (i.e. didn't fully appreciate the meanings of all the words). or didn't fully understand the argument (e.g. didn't see the hole for an argument with a weaken question). or thought something meant x when it meant y.. how do you correct that? i feel like the only way to fix it is to constantly do new problems but it seems like new problems simply leads to new misunderstandings.. i hope that made sense. my brain is a little fried right now.

anyways, my question is this: how do you review for a LR problem you got wrong? i feel like there is something about LR review that I am not getting :shock:

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Post by justabitunusual » Tue Feb 17, 2015 9:31 pm

thingone wrote:how do you review for a LR problem you got wrong? i feel like there is something about LR review that I am not getting :shock:
I really struggled with this for a while too, especially feeling like new questions resulted in new problems, but really after you drill, drill, drill, drill it starts to become more familiar to you. I read LRB initially and even made flashcards and outlined the chapters...I still had trouble.

I then went back and read Manhattan's LR book and I feel like they dumb it down enough to make it easier to see where I was making the mistakes in a way I could then translate into better performance.

eta: there is an app that helps w drilling when you're out and about and have a few mins, it's called LSAT Actual Test...there are several LSAT prep apps out, but that's one I used
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Re: The Official June 2015 Study Group

Post by thingone » Tue Feb 17, 2015 9:35 pm

justabitunusual wrote:
thingone wrote:how do you review for a LR problem you got wrong? i feel like there is something about LR review that I am not getting :shock:
I then went back and read Manhattan's LR book and I feel like they dumb it down enough to make it easier to see where I was making the mistakes in a way I could then translate into better performance.

eta: there is an app that helps w drilling when you're out and about and have a few mins, it's called LSAT Actual Test...they have several apps out, but that's one I used
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Re: The Official June 2015 Study Group

Post by RZ5646 » Tue Feb 17, 2015 10:38 pm

thingone wrote:anyways, my question is this: how do you review for a LR problem you got wrong? i feel like there is something about LR review that I am not getting :shock:
It's important to consider the question type, since different things can go wrong depending on what you're trying to do. Other than that I would suggest you slow down and really consider each question carefully, because sometimes TCR can turn on one word in a long and complicated stimulus that is very easy to miss. Do some untimed sections and focus on the process as you work through each question... if you do worse than -2, you may want to hit the books and ensure you're mastering the basics.

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Post by The Abyss » Tue Feb 17, 2015 10:52 pm

I'm going through Manhattan LR this week, drilling, and then PTing again this weekend. LR is killing me now. LG and RC could use some improvement, but LR is definitely my biggest weakness right now.

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Re: The Official June 2015 Study Group

Post by RZ5646 » Tue Feb 17, 2015 11:01 pm

I thought Manhattan LR was pretty great.

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Re: The Official June 2015 Study Group

Post by thingone » Tue Feb 17, 2015 11:06 pm

RZ5646 wrote:
thingone wrote:anyways, my question is this: how do you review for a LR problem you got wrong? i feel like there is something about LR review that I am not getting :shock:
It's important to consider the question type, since different things can go wrong depending on what you're trying to do. Other than that I would suggest you slow down and really consider each question carefully, because sometimes TCR can turn on one word in a long and complicated stimulus that is very easy to miss. Do some untimed sections and focus on the process as you work through each question... if you do worse than -2, you may want to hit the books and ensure you're mastering the basics.
Thanks! still in the process of hitting the books and going over the basics before i PT :]

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Re: The Official June 2015 Study Group

Post by thingone » Tue Feb 17, 2015 11:07 pm

The Abyss wrote:LR is killing me now. LG and RC could use some improvement, but LR is definitely my biggest weakness right now.
Definitely how I feel right now :oops:

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Re: The Official June 2015 Study Group

Post by The Abyss » Tue Feb 17, 2015 11:08 pm

RZ5646 wrote:I thought Manhattan LR was pretty great.
I'm looking forward to starting it tomorrow. The difference between meeting my goal and not is LR, so hopefully it helps.

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Re: The Official June 2015 Study Group

Post by LCantimb » Wed Feb 18, 2015 12:10 am

Hi everyone, officially checking in for the June 2015 LSAT! This would be my 2nd time taking the test; first one was the October 2014 exam (scored a 157). Definitely revamped my approach; after going through the threads here, I realized that I poorly prepared for the LSAT. Anyway, excited to give it another shot and hoping for a much better score this time!

I'm currently going through the LSAT Trainer and saw discrepancies on how they approach LR's and LG's vs the PS Bibles. The Trainer advises you to read the question stems first for LR's and use multiple subscripts for LG's. I've heard great things about the Trainer so I'm going to keep using it as reference for LR's and RC's but, I wanted to get some advice on the LG chapters. Can someone advise me if I should completely skip over the LG sections in the Trainer and instead, learn from the LGB and MLSAT books concurrently?

ps. I also purchased the MLSAT books in addition to all three bibles for the PithyPike Method (hope this isn't overkill). :(

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Post by Rigo » Wed Feb 18, 2015 12:25 am

LCantimb wrote:Can someone advise me if I should completely skip over the LG sections in the Trainer and instead, learn from the LGB and MLSAT books concurrently?
Just use LGB for LG. Supplement it with 7sage's game explanations.

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Re: The Official June 2015 Study Group

Post by thingone » Wed Feb 18, 2015 12:42 am

Dirigo wrote: Just use LGB for LG. Supplement it with 7sage's game explanations.
this.

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Re: The Official June 2015 Study Group

Post by RZ5646 » Wed Feb 18, 2015 12:46 am

LCantimb wrote:saw discrepancies vs the PS Bibles. The Trainer advises you to read the question stems first for LR's
It's odd how the PS LRB spends so much time bashing the stem-first approach when it seems obviously superior.

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Re: The Official June 2015 Study Group

Post by LCantimb » Wed Feb 18, 2015 1:24 am

RZ5646 wrote: It's odd how the PS LRB spends so much time bashing the stem-first approach when it seems obviously superior.
Ha, thanks for the input! I took a PS class and self-studied (albeit not efficiently considering my poor score) using the bibles, and they definitely emphasize the stimulus-first approach. With Powerscore's approach, I found myself re-reading the stimulus, which I'm sure is not the right way of tackling LR's. After going through the first 10 chapters of the Trainer, I know see why it's better to read the Q stem first, it gives me a better idea of how to "read" the stimulus and identify what it is exactly I'm looking for.
Dirigo wrote: Just use LGB for LG. Supplement it with 7sage's game explanations.
Thank you! I'll skip over the Trainer's LG and start Pithypike's approach using the LGB (will look through the MLSAT briefly). I love 7Sage's LG explanations btw!


For those who have used the Trainer along with other study guides, how did you incorporate the different materials? I skimmed over Mike's thread and saw him suggest the following to someone who purchased the Trainer, PS, and MLSAT books:

1. Go over the Trainer solely for Lessons 1-15
2. Return to LGB (and MLSAT) for LG's
3. The Trainer goes into specific LR types starting at Lesson 17. At this point, I should start incorporating LRB (and MLSAT) lessons/drills in. For example, after reading the Flaw lesson in the Trainer, I should then read/do the Flaw lessons in LRB (and MLSAT).

I'm just dipping my feet into trying multiple materials (solely used PS for my first sitting), so I just want to make sure that I approach this the best way possible :D .

Again, thanks so much for the help!

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Re: The Official June 2015 Study Group

Post by prestont123 » Wed Feb 18, 2015 9:57 am

I am using the trainer right now. Going through the whole book and then hitting the PS bibles/Manhattan books. I think the most important thing after reading through these books is to PT hard. I bought the author of the trainer's 16 week schedule and for the last month it has me doing all PT's (36 total). I think the key to doing well is taking lots of PTs, figure out what you are getting wrong, and then attacking from there.

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Re: The Official June 2015 Study Group

Post by TheWalkingDebt » Wed Feb 18, 2015 2:48 pm

How does everyone handle reusing LR drills from Cambridge? Is this a yes or a no? I will have drilled all LR and LG packets by the EOM and am worried that I will remember specifics about questions.

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Post by Blueprint Ben » Wed Feb 18, 2015 2:59 pm

campaignraiser wrote:How does everyone handle reusing LR drills from Cambridge? Is this a yes or a no? I will have drilled all LR and LG packets by the EOM and am worried that I will remember specifics about questions.
Redrilling questions is always a good idea. Seriously, don't ever worry about remembering specifics about questions. It doesn't matter. Especially when you're drilling. The object of drilling is to become more familiar with the question types and internalize patterns. The more often you see a certain challenging question, the better. And no matter how well you know a question, you'll be surprised with what new and exciting things you notice the second, third, fourth time through. The value of doing a question doesn't diminish when you redrill it. In fact, I'd argue that it increases.

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Post by bnssweeney » Wed Feb 18, 2015 3:03 pm

I see a lot of talk of people using PS LG Bible and Manhattan LG for prep. Makes me apprehensive to use my Blueprint book now. Any people out there that used Blueprint and liked it? Just hoping Im not stuck with the wrong book.

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Re: The Official June 2015 Study Group

Post by JackelJ » Wed Feb 18, 2015 3:12 pm

bnssweeney wrote:I see a lot of talk of people using PS LG Bible and Manhattan LG for prep. Makes me apprehensive to use my Blueprint book now. Any people out there that used Blueprint and liked it? Just hoping Im not stuck with the wrong book.
Blueprint is great for LG IMO. I used it and supplemented it with the free 7sage videos.

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Post by Gluteus » Wed Feb 18, 2015 4:34 pm

I'll likely be taking the test in June. It'll give me my last year of undergraduate to focus 100% on GPA.

Diagnostic:
151
Goal:
167

Materials:
PowerScore LG
Manhattan RC and LR
20 Practice tests ordered

Schedule:
Trying to get a total of 60-80 hours in before April 17th
5-6 Hours a day between April 17th and May 10th (Gap between winter and spring semester)
And 1-2 hours a day up until June's test

Practice test goals:
5 Untimed and reviewed
20~ Timed and reviewed

These are just estimates based on hours available to me. If I begin consistently PTing at my goal earlier, I may cut back.

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Re: The Official June 2015 Study Group

Post by acidwash » Wed Feb 18, 2015 4:43 pm

I can't remember if I checked in here.

I guess I didn't take a true diagnostic, because I had been studying lightly for around 10 days before my first (and only) one two days ago. Score was 161 timed, goal is 174+.

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Post by NonTradLawHopeful » Wed Feb 18, 2015 5:26 pm

Gluteus wrote:These are just estimates based on hours available to me. If I begin consistently PTing at my goal earlier, I may cut back.
Please don't do that to yourself. If you're hitting your goal early, set a new, higher goal! Every point equals more money when you start getting that high.

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Re: The Official June 2015 Study Group

Post by RZ5646 » Wed Feb 18, 2015 5:31 pm

Gluteus wrote: Goal:
167
That's an oddly specific and low goal. Why not shoot for 170+ like everyone else? Your diagnostic was decent.

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Post by The LSAT Trainer » Wed Feb 18, 2015 5:38 pm

prestont123 wrote:I am using the trainer right now. Going through the whole book and then hitting the PS bibles/Manhattan books. I think the most important thing after reading through these books is to PT hard. I bought the author of the trainer's 16 week schedule and for the last month it has me doing all PT's (36 total). I think the key to doing well is taking lots of PTs, figure out what you are getting wrong, and then attacking from there.
Hi -- I think it's generally best for me to stay off the study group thread, but just wanted to clarify -- my study schedules are free (available on the lsat trainer website), and they do not include so many PT's in the last month -- just want to make sure you aren't confusing the actual trainer schedules with those sold by third parties.

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Re: The Official June 2015 Study Group

Post by TheWalkingDebt » Wed Feb 18, 2015 7:33 pm

RZ5646 wrote:
Gluteus wrote: Goal:
167
That's an oddly specific and low goal. Why not shoot for 170+ like everyone else? Your diagnostic was decent.
Why is 151 considered a good diagnostic? I thought it was average? I got the same thing and had a bit of a panic attack about it being too low of a starting point.

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