The Official September 2016 Study Group - WAKE ME UP WHEN SEPTEMBER ENDS Forum

[rosieposie12]

What are some recommendations for studying for the LG section? It is BY FAR my worst section, and seriously dragging down my score. I've consistently been scoring around 160 with only being able to complete 1-2 games, and getting a couple of questions (max 2) wrong on each. I would seriously appreciate any suggestions/ people sharing how they were able to improve their accuracy/ time.

My current study regime is taking a 4 section PT each night, and then reviewing it during the next day. I print out a fresh copy of the game, and do it as I follow along with the corresponding 7Sage video, pausing to give myself time to figure out the answer as I go along, and then checking my technique/ answer against the video. My biggest problem is that once the game is explained, of course it makes perfect sense, but I am unable to get to that level of confidence/understanding prior to watching an explanation.

I'm only on PT 5 — but I began studying in March. I have definitely seen an improvement in my abilities (when I started I literally could not complete a game), is it possible that this might just be a slow and steady improvement situation?

Basically, I'm just getting a little frustrated because I've barely experienced improvement, and I'm wondering if someone is in a similar situation.

Thanks!

It may not sound it, but that's a good place to be. If you are getting only 8-10 points on LG in total, you could see huge improvement just through that section alone. Like 6+ points easy, and probably closer to +10 with effort.

TBH, I think you should read PowerScore LG Bible [LSAT trainer if you're really unfamiliar with the test] and work through it. It shouldn't take that long. I was shocked at how short that book is... huge font & lots of negative space. After that, move onto Manhattan LSAT. I would basically just read a section and drill that game type repeatedly. After you are comfortable with accuracy and timing, move onto the next game type. I think with 3D ordering [as Manhattan calls it] you can probably move on *a little* sooner [this is where I'm at], as the games seem to mix in elements of other types. I have the Cambridge packets [ not available ] but there are other ways to get logic games sectioned off by type.

What I did [although you may want someone with more command over LG...I'm just sort of beastly at ordering IMO]...

LSAT Trainer as my intro to the LSAT
PowerScore LG Bible as my intro to LG
Manhattan LSAT & Copious Drilling for each game type until I can do every game in under [preferably] or very close to the 7sage recommended time with no errors. What I would do is every relative ordering game. I'd do it again a day later [or hours later] and, after a break, I would go through the questions untimed for 100% accuracy. I would see what I got right and wrong. If I got everything right all three times, I'd watch the 7sage but more towards bed or something where I'm not as focused but focused enough to make sure I didn't miss an inference that'd make the game go faster. If I missed any questions, I would diligently watch the video, especially if I got anything wrong while doing it untimed.

Thanks! I just ordered the PS LG Bible! I'm keeping my fingers crossed that this is the break-through that I need!

[20170322]

These 2 a days at the gym are the perfect way to clear my head after 6 hours of LSAT. haha

[proteinshake]

anyone else find Necessary Assumptions to be the hardest main LR question type? I think Flaws are the easiest.

[Mikey]

anyone else find Necessary Assumptions to be the hardest main LR question type? I think Flaws are the easiest.

I think N.A questions aren't too bad, I can usually always get them right. I HATE, again let me emphasize it, HATE parallel flaw/reasoning questions though. I always leave them for last in case I don't have time.

[proteinshake]

anyone else find Necessary Assumptions to be the hardest main LR question type? I think Flaws are the easiest.

I think N.A questions aren't too bad, I can usually always get them right. I HATE, again let me emphasize it, HATE parallel flaw/reasoning questions though. I always leave them for last in case I don't have time.

hm I do find parallel questions to be the hardest but I don't mention it since they only show up 1-2 times per test. like I don't completely bomb NA questions but if if I do miss a question in an LR section, it's probably NA, if not a parallel q!

[Mikey]

anyone else find Necessary Assumptions to be the hardest main LR question type? I think Flaws are the easiest.

I think N.A questions aren't too bad, I can usually always get them right. I HATE, again let me emphasize it, HATE parallel flaw/reasoning questions though. I always leave them for last in case I don't have time.

hm I do find parallel questions to be the hardest but I don't mention it since they only show up 1-2 times per test. like I don't completely bomb NA questions but if if I do miss a question in an LR section, it's probably NA, if not a parallel q!

Ahh yeah, they're not main LR questions but I just wanted to express my hatred for them, haha. Like you, I find flaw questions not that bad as well.

[34iplaw]

As a heads up, 7sage is offering an admissions webinar thing this Wednesday at 9PM EST. I may check it out. TBD.

I think I'm going to just finish up the homework. Must finish 90+/100. Supposedly, LG Bible LR goes into the numbers issues I posted about earlier. Perhaps, Manhattan LSAT does too. I'll thumb through them.

[Barack O'Drama]

These 2 a days at the gym are the perfect way to clear my head after 6 hours of LSAT. haha

Just went to the gym and I'm feeling we de-stressed! Maybe I should ramp it up to 2x a day?

[20170322]

These 2 a days at the gym are the perfect way to clear my head after 6 hours of LSAT. haha

Just went to the gym and I'm feeling we de-stressed! Maybe I should ramp it up to 2x a day?

Only problem is my legs are super wobbly now.

[proteinshake]

As a heads up, 7sage is offering an admissions webinar thing this Wednesday at 9PM EST. I may check it out. TBD.

I think I'm going to just finish up the homework. Must finish 90+/100. Supposedly, LG Bible LR goes into the numbers issues I posted about earlier. Perhaps, Manhattan LSAT does too. I'll thumb through them.

the Trainer goes through them in pretty great detail! I believe there's a whole chapter dedicated to them IIRC.

[proteinshake]

there are gonna be a lot more people in this thread in the coming days!

[Barack O'Drama]

These 2 a days at the gym are the perfect way to clear my head after 6 hours of LSAT. haha

Just went to the gym and I'm feeling we de-stressed! Maybe I should ramp it up to 2x a day?

Only problem is my legs are super wobbly now.

Haha! I know the feeling...I hurt my knee a few weeks ago and have been going easy on my legs/running so I've been fortunate to be skipping leg days for a bit

[20170322]

These 2 a days at the gym are the perfect way to clear my head after 6 hours of LSAT. haha

Just went to the gym and I'm feeling we de-stressed! Maybe I should ramp it up to 2x a day?

Only problem is my legs are super wobbly now.

Haha! I know the feeling...I hurt my knee a few weeks ago and have been going easy on my legs/running so I've been fortunate to be skipping leg days for a bit

Haha, I made the mistake of doing leg day, then playing basketball.

Considering trying swimming. Less of an impact, more aerobic.

[Barack O'Drama]

anyone else find Necessary Assumptions to be the hardest main LR question type? I think Flaws are the easiest.

I think N.A questions aren't too bad, I can usually always get them right. I HATE, again let me emphasize it, HATE parallel flaw/reasoning questions though. I always leave them for last in case I don't have time.

hm I do find parallel questions to be the hardest but I don't mention it since they only show up 1-2 times per test. like I don't completely bomb NA questions but if if I do miss a question in an LR section, it's probably NA, if not a parallel q!

OMG parallel flaws are the biggest time suck. I just can't figure out how to get them consistently. It is like I convince myself an AC has the same flaw and end up missing something... I'm going to drill the hell out of them until I figure it out when I get to just drilling LR.

[proteinshake]

anyone else find Necessary Assumptions to be the hardest main LR question type? I think Flaws are the easiest.

I think N.A questions aren't too bad, I can usually always get them right. I HATE, again let me emphasize it, HATE parallel flaw/reasoning questions though. I always leave them for last in case I don't have time.

hm I do find parallel questions to be the hardest but I don't mention it since they only show up 1-2 times per test. like I don't completely bomb NA questions but if if I do miss a question in an LR section, it's probably NA, if not a parallel q!

OMG parallel flaws are the biggest time suck. I just can't figure out how to get them consistently. It is like I convince myself an AC has the same flaw and end up missing something... I'm going to drill the hell out of them until I figure it out when I get to just drilling LR.

I ALWAYS do them last in a section.

[Barack O'Drama]

These 2 a days at the gym are the perfect way to clear my head after 6 hours of LSAT. haha

Just went to the gym and I'm feeling we de-stressed! Maybe I should ramp it up to 2x a day?

Only problem is my legs are super wobbly now.

Haha! I know the feeling...I hurt my knee a few weeks ago and have been going easy on my legs/running so I've been fortunate to be skipping leg days for a bit

Haha, I made the mistake of doing leg day, then playing basketball.

Considering trying swimming. Less of an impact, more aerobic.

Hmm.. Swimming does sounds like a good idea, especially being that it is so hot out this week, at least in upstate NY. That's actually not a bad idea, this way I can kill 2 birds with one stone. Exercise and cooling off

[34iplaw]

As a heads up, 7sage is offering an admissions webinar thing this Wednesday at 9PM EST. I may check it out. TBD.

I think I'm going to just finish up the homework. Must finish 90+/100. Supposedly, LG Bible LR goes into the numbers issues I posted about earlier. Perhaps, Manhattan LSAT does too. I'll thumb through them.

the Trainer goes through them in pretty great detail! I believe there's a whole chapter dedicated to them IIRC.

How the hell did I miss/forget that section? At that point, I wasn't drilling a lot, so, perhaps, I just totally forgot about it.

According to 7SAGE analytics of my two diagnostics at this point...



Basically, starting off in those -4 through -6. I'm pretty confident I'll be able to get LR down to -2 pretty easily over time. I'll be interested to see how my graph changes over time. Those are based off of my June 07 "diagnostic" and my in class diagnostic.

[20170322]

anyone else find Necessary Assumptions to be the hardest main LR question type? I think Flaws are the easiest.

I think N.A questions aren't too bad, I can usually always get them right. I HATE, again let me emphasize it, HATE parallel flaw/reasoning questions though. I always leave them for last in case I don't have time.

hm I do find parallel questions to be the hardest but I don't mention it since they only show up 1-2 times per test. like I don't completely bomb NA questions but if if I do miss a question in an LR section, it's probably NA, if not a parallel q!

OMG parallel flaws are the biggest time suck. I just can't figure out how to get them consistently. It is like I convince myself an AC has the same flaw and end up missing something... I'm going to drill the hell out of them until I figure it out when I get to just drilling LR.

I find that diagramming before reading the options helps a lot.

Like, "A---> B. If B, likely C. So, if A, probably C"

Then I just apply this to the answer choices and see if they fit.

[Mikey]

anyone else find Necessary Assumptions to be the hardest main LR question type? I think Flaws are the easiest.

I think N.A questions aren't too bad, I can usually always get them right. I HATE, again let me emphasize it, HATE parallel flaw/reasoning questions though. I always leave them for last in case I don't have time.

hm I do find parallel questions to be the hardest but I don't mention it since they only show up 1-2 times per test. like I don't completely bomb NA questions but if if I do miss a question in an LR section, it's probably NA, if not a parallel q!

OMG parallel flaws are the biggest time suck. I just can't figure out how to get them consistently. It is like I convince myself an AC has the same flaw and end up missing something... I'm going to drill the hell out of them until I figure it out when I get to just drilling LR.

I ALWAYS do them last in a section.

^^^ Same!

[Barack O'Drama]

anyone else find Necessary Assumptions to be the hardest main LR question type? I think Flaws are the easiest.

I think N.A questions aren't too bad, I can usually always get them right. I HATE, again let me emphasize it, HATE parallel flaw/reasoning questions though. I always leave them for last in case I don't have time.

hm I do find parallel questions to be the hardest but I don't mention it since they only show up 1-2 times per test. like I don't completely bomb NA questions but if if I do miss a question in an LR section, it's probably NA, if not a parallel q!

OMG parallel flaws are the biggest time suck. I just can't figure out how to get them consistently. It is like I convince myself an AC has the same flaw and end up missing something... I'm going to drill the hell out of them until I figure it out when I get to just drilling LR.

I ALWAYS do them last in a section.

Probably is the best way. I fear running to of time on LR because I know that with enough time I can usually go -4 or so and I'm hoping after some solid drilling and prep I can get that down to only -1 or -2. My problem is when I skip questions my brain keeps thinking about it and distracting me from moving forward... I need to break that habit and just skip, circle it, and move on and come back if there is time. Good call on that Protein!

[Barack O'Drama]

anyone else find Necessary Assumptions to be the hardest main LR question type? I think Flaws are the easiest.

I think N.A questions aren't too bad, I can usually always get them right. I HATE, again let me emphasize it, HATE parallel flaw/reasoning questions though. I always leave them for last in case I don't have time.

hm I do find parallel questions to be the hardest but I don't mention it since they only show up 1-2 times per test. like I don't completely bomb NA questions but if if I do miss a question in an LR section, it's probably NA, if not a parallel q!

OMG parallel flaws are the biggest time suck. I just can't figure out how to get them consistently. It is like I convince myself an AC has the same flaw and end up missing something... I'm going to drill the hell out of them until I figure it out when I get to just drilling LR.

I find that diagramming before reading the options helps a lot.

Like, "A---> B. If B, likely C. So, if A, probably C"

Then I just apply this to the answer choices and see if they fit.

I think now that starting grouping games has forced me to review and learn my conditional logic this might be a helpful approach!

[proteinshake]

anyone else find Necessary Assumptions to be the hardest main LR question type? I think Flaws are the easiest.

I think N.A questions aren't too bad, I can usually always get them right. I HATE, again let me emphasize it, HATE parallel flaw/reasoning questions though. I always leave them for last in case I don't have time.

hm I do find parallel questions to be the hardest but I don't mention it since they only show up 1-2 times per test. like I don't completely bomb NA questions but if if I do miss a question in an LR section, it's probably NA, if not a parallel q!

OMG parallel flaws are the biggest time suck. I just can't figure out how to get them consistently. It is like I convince myself an AC has the same flaw and end up missing something... I'm going to drill the hell out of them until I figure it out when I get to just drilling LR.

I ALWAYS do them last in a section.

Probably is the best way. I fear running to of time on LR because I know that with enough time I can usually go -4 or so and I'm hoping after some solid drilling and prep I can get that down to only -1 or -2. My problem is when I skip questions my brain keeps thinking about it and distracting me from moving forward... I need to break that habit and just skip, circle it, and move on and come back if there is time. Good call on that Protein!

oh I don't even read the question. parallel flaw questions are always long, so I check the question stem really quick to see if I see the word "parallel," and if I do, I skip it.

[Barack O'Drama]

anyone else find Necessary Assumptions to be the hardest main LR question type? I think Flaws are the easiest.

I think N.A questions aren't too bad, I can usually always get them right. I HATE, again let me emphasize it, HATE parallel flaw/reasoning questions though. I always leave them for last in case I don't have time.

hm I do find parallel questions to be the hardest but I don't mention it since they only show up 1-2 times per test. like I don't completely bomb NA questions but if if I do miss a question in an LR section, it's probably NA, if not a parallel q!

OMG parallel flaws are the biggest time suck. I just can't figure out how to get them consistently. It is like I convince myself an AC has the same flaw and end up missing something... I'm going to drill the hell out of them until I figure it out when I get to just drilling LR.

I ALWAYS do them last in a section.

Probably is the best way. I fear running to of time on LR because I know that with enough time I can usually go -4 or so and I'm hoping after some solid drilling and prep I can get that down to only -1 or -2. My problem is when I skip questions my brain keeps thinking about it and distracting me from moving forward... I need to break that habit and just skip, circle it, and move on and come back if there is time. Good call on that Protein!

oh I don't even read the question. parallel flaw questions are always long, so I check the question stem really quick to see if I see the word "parallel," and if I do, I skip it.

That's something I never considered... I think that will work for me because if I haven't read the question then hopefully I won't be obsessing over whether it was AC (E) or (B) 100% doing this from now on!

[34iplaw]

anyone else find Necessary Assumptions to be the hardest main LR question type? I think Flaws are the easiest.

I think N.A questions aren't too bad, I can usually always get them right. I HATE, again let me emphasize it, HATE parallel flaw/reasoning questions though. I always leave them for last in case I don't have time.

hm I do find parallel questions to be the hardest but I don't mention it since they only show up 1-2 times per test. like I don't completely bomb NA questions but if if I do miss a question in an LR section, it's probably NA, if not a parallel q!

OMG parallel flaws are the biggest time suck. I just can't figure out how to get them consistently. It is like I convince myself an AC has the same flaw and end up missing something... I'm going to drill the hell out of them until I figure it out when I get to just drilling LR.

I ALWAYS do them last in a section.

Probably is the best way. I fear running to of time on LR because I know that with enough time I can usually go -4 or so and I'm hoping after some solid drilling and prep I can get that down to only -1 or -2. My problem is when I skip questions my brain keeps thinking about it and distracting me from moving forward... I need to break that habit and just skip, circle it, and move on and come back if there is time. Good call on that Protein!

If you're cutting it close on time, you should probably eliminate ridiculous answers during the read through and maybe put a faint dot or indication of an answer choice on your scantron even if its just an arbitrary of the ones left that aren't absurd. That way in the unfortunate event you are out of time you can do much better than randomly guess.

Edit: Though, I know we all have the goal of finishing each section early with 100% confidence, so we can simply put our pencils down and gaze into the eyes of our rivals and strike fear into their hearts. Instill in them a sense of inadequacy. Their fingers will tremble as sweat drips from their furrowed brow onto their scantron smudging their answers.

[Alexandros]

RC -1 29 min.
Further evidence that I'm maybe kind of okay at RC/have gotten better, provided that I'm not, you know, actually taking a taking a PT where it matters.