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Re: The Official June 2016 Study Group

Post by YupSports » Sat Mar 19, 2016 11:13 am

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Rigo wrote:Wondering if I should do 3 PT's some weeks (maybe every other week) or if that's too much. I'll play around with it and see.
IMO it depends on how much you're able to review your mistakes from the PT you've just taken. I've never taken the LSAT before, so I don't know what it's like to be on top of your shit heading into the final stretch, but I would assume that the story is the same as it is during this stage of one's prep: PTs aren't really meaningful practice unless you're truly able to understand the mechanics of each question you struggled with. If you take PTs and can't thoroughly go over them, I'm not sure you're getting more value than if you took fewer but reviewed them more carefully.
Rigo,

I have to wholeheartedly agree with Ayy's assessment here.

After getting a 160 on the LSAT this past December, I dug deeply into what I needed to do to improve my score. After looking at the "Advice for getting a 160+" thread and consulting with several of the "experts" in teaching the LSAT, one conclusion seemed to shine through in nearly every piece of advice:

Meticulously reviewing your PTs is the path to improvement.

With that in mind, I think you'll get some value in terms of timing and dealing with pressure by taking more timed PTs (and not going as deep with your review), I think this presents issues:
  • - Eventually you're going to become comfortable with timing, and that benefit is not going to be as important to you.

    - Your scores may very well start to "stall" by not digging deep enough
To put into perspective how much value I'm putting in reviewing answers, I'll provide aw breakdown of my timing.

I currently take 2 PTs a week (I am also working full time, so 3 is pushing it a bit).

We'll assume a 4 section PT takes 2 hours and 30 minutes. Aside from taking the test itself, I would say I spend an additional 9 hours with each PT I take. My sectional review methods are as follows:

Logic Games:
I use the 7Sage method. I refuse to accept a game where I got everything right, but was over the strict timing requirements in his videos. I will keep reviewing a problem until I get it right, even if that means going over the problem before doing my scheduled review for the day. If problems are really tricky, I have copies in a folder for review down the road.

Logical Reasoning:
I go over every answer I was not 100% sure about (yes, even if I got it right - this takes some discipline), very similar to the Blind Review method. I focus on two things:
  • - Why did I think this answer choice was correct?

    - Why did I think this answer choice was wrong?
I write out these reasons by hand and then cross-reference with the Manhattan message boards. This "writing out" really drives the small details into your brain. If a problem is tough, I clip it and print it out. Similar to LG I have a "booklet" of the tough-ones for review down the road.

Reading Comprehension:
While I do try to find the right answer and see what makes that answer right, my focus is more on the passage itself. If I misinterpreted a passage, what did I not pick up on, have I fallen for this before, etc. The Manhattan boards are helpful for reading about the little "tricks" in RC as well as reading about details I missed/misread. Again, I hold on to the tough passages for later review.

Sorry for rambling!

Long story short:

Focus on the quality of your review time, and NOT how fast you get through a schedule.

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Post by spottedgiraffes » Sun Mar 20, 2016 12:05 am

Anybody know what I can do to drill?
The Cambridge packets have been taken off and somebody recommended I buy them on Amazon but the books are going for crazy prices :(

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Post by proteinshake » Sun Mar 20, 2016 2:56 am

what happened to all the CambridgeLSAT bundles? did they get rid of them? I can't find them.

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Post by Mikey » Sun Mar 20, 2016 10:14 am

proteinshake wrote:what happened to all the CambridgeLSAT bundles? did they get rid of them? I can't find them.
They did :( If you search on Amazon, people are selling them for double/triple their price which is ridiculous. Your best bet would be to keep searching on Amazon or Ebay for used copies at a decent price to be honest.

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Post by proteinshake » Sun Mar 20, 2016 11:53 am

TheMikey wrote:
proteinshake wrote:what happened to all the CambridgeLSAT bundles? did they get rid of them? I can't find them.
They did :( If you search on Amazon, people are selling them for double/triple their price which is ridiculous. Your best bet would be to keep searching on Amazon or Ebay for used copies at a decent price to be honest.
can't imagine too many people would be using that website anymore.

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Post by Rigo » Sun Mar 20, 2016 8:18 pm

Study study study holed up in library all tomorrow.

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Post by R. Jeeves » Sun Mar 20, 2016 8:42 pm

Rigo wrote:Study study study holed up in library all tomorrow.
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Post by Rigo » Sun Mar 20, 2016 8:43 pm

R. Jeeves wrote:
Rigo wrote:Study study study holed up in library all tomorrow.
work work work work work
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Post by dodint » Sun Mar 20, 2016 8:55 pm

So, just poking around and deciding what to study. This forum has been a pretty great resource.

I'm going with:

The LSAT Trainer: A remarkable self-study guide for the self-driven student - Mike Kim
The PowerScore LSAT Logic Games Bible - David Killoran (Can rent this from Amazon since the test is so close)
Official LSAT PrepTests 52-71, 77 by LSAC (Three different items)

That should do it. I have a leadership seminar I'm attending at the end of this month, so I won't start drilling at a steady pace until early April. That will give me two full months of intensive study which should be adequate. In the meantime I'll read through the Kim book and start looking at the mechanics of the Logic questions in the PowerScore material.

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Re: The Official June 2016 Study Group

Post by ayylmao » Sun Mar 20, 2016 9:00 pm

Jesus I was so lucky that I bought the Cambridge LG bundles in January.

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Post by Rigo » Sun Mar 20, 2016 9:33 pm

ayylmao wrote:Jesus I was so lucky that I bought the Cambridge LG bundles in January.
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Re: The Official June 2016 Study Group

Post by proteinshake » Mon Mar 21, 2016 1:37 am

anyone here using an actual schedule with daily assignments? or just deciding what to do as you go along? if you're using a schedule: which one? and do you like it?

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Post by Pozzo » Mon Mar 21, 2016 1:39 am

Sat down tonight to plot my study schedule between now and test day. I'll be doing one new test (PT 62-71, 73) per week, using PTs 60 and 61 to fill out the five section tests I'll start mid-April. By late April, I'll add a second PT mid-week, four sections only. I work full time and have young kids, so my mid-week time comes at a premium. Come early May, I'll start doing the writing sections as well, to get the full experience. On non-PT days, I'll focus on Blind Review and drilling problem areas. Two weeks out, I'll do just one six-section test. The week prior, one four section PT plus some light drilling to finish off the taper.

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Post by naht » Mon Mar 21, 2016 1:40 am

Hey all, I'm only averaging around a 164 on timed Preptests, and am consistently missing about 10 questions in total on LR (5 on each). I usually read the stimulus first, but I find my mental faculties seriously draining and my accuracy towards the end starts to go downhill. I usually finish either right on time or give or with 30 seconds left. Would it be more beneficial if I read the question stem first and got an idea of what to look for instead of doing (what it feels like anyway) method of intensively reading the stimulus and sometimes going back to reread once I get to the question? I want to perfect LR as best I can, and my goal is -2 or less by June. I just feel like once I'm past question 15 or so it's a crap chute.

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Re: The Official June 2016 Study Group

Post by Pozzo » Mon Mar 21, 2016 1:41 am

proteinshake wrote:anyone here using an actual schedule with daily assignments? or just deciding what to do as you go along? if you're using a schedule: which one? and do you like it?
I just posted my general schedule to the thread. Focus at this point for me is on full-length PTs and targeted practice. I have a week of LG-intensive work in two weeks, but beyond that, my drilling will be based on PT results. I'm using 7sage analytics to ID my target areas.

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Re: The Official June 2016 Study Group

Post by beenoparte125 » Mon Mar 21, 2016 9:17 am

177 on PT 26 and 27. Fighting on.

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Re: The Official June 2016 Study Group

Post by YupSports » Mon Mar 21, 2016 9:19 am

Pozzo wrote:
proteinshake wrote:anyone here using an actual schedule with daily assignments? or just deciding what to do as you go along? if you're using a schedule: which one? and do you like it?
I just posted my general schedule to the thread. Focus at this point for me is on full-length PTs and targeted practice. I have a week of LG-intensive work in two weeks, but beyond that, my drilling will be based on PT results. I'm using 7sage analytics to ID my target areas.
This is very similar to what I am doing - taking full-length, timed PTs and using the 7Sage analytics to find blind spots.

I have also found that thorough post-PT review is similar to drilling in that you are going over the problems you had trouble with (that is, if you are honest with yourself and circle the questions that are tough for you). I also add an extra section from an old PT in one of my weak areas (currently LG).

As far as an actual schedule, I am slated for 2 PTs a week until test day. I will make a schedule for the week ahead based on work and availability. My two goals when I make a schedule are to:

1) Always give myself at least 1 day a week of no LSAT.
2) Have a day that is lightly-scheduled where I can pack in some drilling on a certain topic if need be.

Hope that helps!

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Re: The Official June 2016 Study Group

Post by Mikey » Mon Mar 21, 2016 9:20 am

beenoparte125 wrote:177 on PT 26 and 27. Fighting on.
Teach me Senpai

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Re: The Official June 2016 Study Group

Post by YupSports » Mon Mar 21, 2016 9:21 am

dodint wrote:So, just poking around and deciding what to study. This forum has been a pretty great resource.

I'm going with:

The LSAT Trainer: A remarkable self-study guide for the self-driven student - Mike Kim
The PowerScore LSAT Logic Games Bible - David Killoran (Can rent this from Amazon since the test is so close)
Official LSAT PrepTests 52-71, 77 by LSAC (Three different items)

That should do it. I have a leadership seminar I'm attending at the end of this month, so I won't start drilling at a steady pace until early April. That will give me two full months of intensive study which should be adequate. In the meantime I'll read through the Kim book and start looking at the mechanics of the Logic questions in the PowerScore material.
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Post by beenoparte125 » Mon Mar 21, 2016 9:25 am

TheMikey wrote:
beenoparte125 wrote:177 on PT 26 and 27. Fighting on.
Teach me Senpai
Just smashing through the older PTs for the past month or so... may finally be getting a grasp of patterns. True test will come later this week when I take a more recent PT. These older PTs seem to have a pretty forgiving curve.

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Re: The Official June 2016 Study Group

Post by YupSports » Mon Mar 21, 2016 9:54 am

beenoparte125 wrote:
TheMikey wrote:
beenoparte125 wrote:177 on PT 26 and 27. Fighting on.
Teach me Senpai
Just smashing through the older PTs for the past month or so... may finally be getting a grasp of patterns. True test will come later this week when I take a more recent PT. These older PTs seem to have a pretty forgiving curve.
Do you know when the (in terms of PT) the curve starts to get tighter?

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Post by beenoparte125 » Mon Mar 21, 2016 10:04 am

YupSports wrote:
beenoparte125 wrote:
TheMikey wrote:
beenoparte125 wrote:177 on PT 26 and 27. Fighting on.
Teach me Senpai
Just smashing through the older PTs for the past month or so... may finally be getting a grasp of patterns. True test will come later this week when I take a more recent PT. These older PTs seem to have a pretty forgiving curve.
Do you know when the (in terms of PT) the curve starts to get tighter?

I haven't really looked that closely.. I just know that I flipped through a couple in the 60s and if I had missed 7 I would have had a 174 or 175 instead of a 177... I could be totally mistaken about this, I was just surprised to miss 7 and still get a 177.

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Re: The Official June 2016 Study Group

Post by Pozzo » Mon Mar 21, 2016 10:26 am

YupSports wrote: 1) Always give myself at least 1 day a week of no LSAT.
This is important for all of us to remember. I built it into my schedule too. Prepping for the LSAT is a lot like training for a brain marathon. You need those rest days.

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