The Official June 2015 Study Group Forum

Rigo · Post by **Rigo** » Mon Feb 09, 2015 6:52 pm

prestont123 wrote:I started my 12 week program today. I am using lawschooli's 12 week prep, including the lrb, lgb, lsat trainer, and practice tests 1-60. I wanted to make sure this is a really good guide to the lsat before it was too late to change course for the June test date. Any info would be great! thanks

You plan on doing 60 PT's? Woof.

followfolcosdaughter · Post by **followfolcosdaughter** » Mon Feb 09, 2015 6:58 pm

Dirigo wrote:
schmelling wrote:
Dirigo wrote:
179orBust wrote: What do you consider hardest LR type?
The parallel ones just because they're such a huge time-sink for me.
how do you typically approach these rigo?
Skip them and save them for last, and then just cross my fingers and hope for the best.
My main priority is not wasting time on them until I've answered all the other questions, but if don't think I have any real question-specific strategy for them other than grunting through each AC.

Do you do an analysis of parts--conclusion, premises--and then apply one component part to each answer? Conclusion all the way down; premises all the way down. Like the approach to those initial acceptable situation questions in logic games. Seems like it could be an efficient way to eliminate wrong answer choices. I mean, I guess it's not that much different from dragging the whole argument along.

bnssweeney · Post by **bnssweeney** » Mon Feb 09, 2015 6:58 pm

Dirigo wrote:
bnssweeney wrote:Powescore LR Bible just came in the mail. What was the best way to approach this book? Just read straight through, or skip around to chapters that you feel you need the most help with?
I'd just go straight through. I bet they build on each other.
Disclaimer: I didn't use LR Bible.

I have these strong impulses to buy new material all the time as well, but then I check my Chase Bank App and the impulses suddenly vanish

Edit: quoted the wrong post. Using TLS never works well for me on an iphone

The Abyss · Post by **The Abyss** » Mon Feb 09, 2015 8:10 pm

followfolcosdaughter wrote:
Dirigo wrote:
schmelling wrote:
Dirigo wrote:The parallel ones just because they're such a huge time-sink for me.
how do you typically approach these rigo?
Skip them and save them for last, and then just cross my fingers and hope for the best.
My main priority is not wasting time on them until I've answered all the other questions, but if don't think I have any real question-specific strategy for them other than grunting through each AC.

Do you do an analysis of parts--conclusion, premises--and then apply one component part to each answer? Conclusion all the way down; premises all the way down. Like the approach to those initial acceptable situation questions in logic games. Seems like it could be an efficient way to eliminate wrong answer choices. I mean, I guess it's not that much different from dragging the whole argument along.

The first thing I do with the ACs is check to see that the quantifiers match up. If the stim is using all universal quantifiers but I spot a "most" or "some" in an AC, I can cross that one out without even reading it. After that I do exactly what you said. Check the premises and then check the conclusions and make sure there's no mistaken reversal, negation that isn't supposed to be there, etc. Then there's the easy ones that you can just tell from intuition. I still skip them and come back at the end.

TheWalkingDebt · Post by **TheWalkingDebt** » Mon Feb 09, 2015 8:13 pm

Ugh. LG whooped me on superprep B. Did not get to the last game. I haven't really drilled grouping games heavily, and only moderately dabbled in conditional heavy games through the trainer, so the 2nd and 3rd games were particularly difficult, which is unfortunate because I thought the last game was particularly easy.

I got a 156 (up five from diag) and 162 (up 11 from diag) on my blind review (because I got the entire last game wrong on the initial test bc I did not get to it - but went -1 on it on BR).

I still have serious work to do to get into form for that 175+. Everyone reassure me that this isn't the end of the world and that 4 months is enough time.

Edit: It's been exactly 3 weeks and all I've done is the trainer + 2 of each LR and LG cambridge packets.

RZ5646 · Post by **RZ5646** » Mon Feb 09, 2015 8:46 pm

Did another couple hundred pages from Manhattan LR today... I think I have one chapter left. It has definitely been useful, but it's also extremely boring because most of the questions aren't very hard and you have to read very long-winded explanations of things you already understand intuitively.

Rigo · Post by **Rigo** » Mon Feb 09, 2015 8:51 pm

RZ5646 wrote:humblebrag

NonTradLawHopeful · Post by **NonTradLawHopeful** » Mon Feb 09, 2015 8:57 pm

Rigo, what was your practice strategy the first time? Are most of the 15-20 fresh PTs you have older?

NonTradLawHopeful · Post by **NonTradLawHopeful** » Mon Feb 09, 2015 9:02 pm

gamerish wrote:You guys who are PTing, how long have you been studying?

About 5 weeks. I'm taking a PT every other week for now just to see the progress and get back used to taking full tests. In March I'll probably go once a week and drill during the week.

RZ5646 · Post by **RZ5646** » Mon Feb 09, 2015 9:13 pm

It looked like the voting had ended so I made a new poll. Here are the final results for the first one:

Lots of HYS gunners.

I also added the results to the OP.

bnssweeney · Post by **bnssweeney** » Mon Feb 09, 2015 9:49 pm

Question about reading LR Stimulus and Question Stem...

Do you find it more beneficial to read the question stem before or after reading the stimulus? I know different test companies argue for both sides. I can't decide which one works better and I've tried both methods so far. Both seem to have their pros and cons.

msp8 · Post by **msp8** » Mon Feb 09, 2015 9:53 pm

I started by reading the stimulus then stem, but much prefer the other way. I target my reading of the stimulus that way. The only Q type I don't particularly like this for is 'role' Qs. I find I tend to re-read the stem several times/refer back to it to fully grasp the line, since it usually makes for a long/convoluted sentence. So now I'm more likely to see that it's a role Q, then read the stimulus, then stem, then prephrase.

That aside, though, always stem -> stimulus.

NonTradLawHopeful · Post by **NonTradLawHopeful** » Mon Feb 09, 2015 9:59 pm

Stem first. I find it makes it far easier to know what you need to focus on while reading the stimulus.

RZ5646 · Post by **RZ5646** » Mon Feb 09, 2015 10:27 pm

I think stem first is better but it's certainly not necessary. There are 180ers in both camps.

Personally I read the stimulus first just because that's how I started and I can't break the habit now.

peppermint · Post by **peppermint** » Mon Feb 09, 2015 10:38 pm

lawjag2015 · Post by **lawjag2015** » Mon Feb 09, 2015 10:40 pm

Stem first, gives focus.

Had too much coffee in the evening yesterday. Went to bed at midnight and woke up at 3:40 am. Tossed and turned in bed, and then somehow made it through work.

JackelJ · Post by **JackelJ** » Mon Feb 09, 2015 10:42 pm

peppermint wrote:I do stem first, then stimulus

gamerish · Post by **gamerish** » Mon Feb 09, 2015 10:44 pm

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RZ5646 · Post by **RZ5646** » Mon Feb 09, 2015 10:59 pm

My worst fear: looking back over my scantron with 10 seconds left on the clock and seeing that all my bubbles are off.

followfolcosdaughter · Post by **followfolcosdaughter** » Mon Feb 09, 2015 11:44 pm

RZ5646 wrote:My worst fear: looking back over my scantron with 10 seconds left on the clock and seeing that all my bubbles are off.

A terrible experience. Something like this happened to me in Dec, but I had five minutes left (fortunately). I skipped over the second-to-last question of my final section and went to bubble in my answer to the last question, and discovered I had mis-bubbled all the way back on question 3. Man oh man was that frightening.

Also produces a marked increase in post-LSAT waiting anxiety.

Don't do it.

gamerish · Post by **gamerish** » Mon Feb 09, 2015 11:45 pm

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Rigo · Post by **Rigo** » Tue Feb 10, 2015 12:02 am

RZ5646 wrote:My worst fear: looking back over my scantron with 10 seconds left on the clock and seeing that all my bubbles are off.

This happened to me. Thankfully I was able to fix it.

followfolcosdaughter · Post by **followfolcosdaughter** » Tue Feb 10, 2015 12:03 am

There's really nothing to fear if you re-bubble right (and you answered right in the first place). It's just such a worst case scenario with those time constraints.

Rigo · Post by **Rigo** » Tue Feb 10, 2015 12:04 am

Be extra careful to start on the correct line if you skip questions.

McJimJam · Post by **McJimJam** » Tue Feb 10, 2015 1:37 am

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