The Official September 2016 Study Group - WAKE ME UP WHEN SEPTEMBER ENDS Forum

[Mikey]

Think I may take a full PT tomorrow to get my confidence back.

I'm betting money on Sweet getting a 180 on test day. Cash or credit accepted.

[Barack O'Drama]

Think I may take a full PT tomorrow to get my confidence back.

I'm betting money on Sweet getting a 180 on test day. Cash or credit accepted.

I can't lose my money like that

But if there is anyone I know that will, it is you Sweet!

[Rupert Pupkin]

Well, after two weeks of working full-time at my internship I have finally gotten used to the long days and studying a few hours after and killing it on the weekends. Its hard when everyone around you isn't going home to study after work but if being successful was easy everyone would be.

Anyway, now Im back in the swing of things and just have to keep pushing and crushing it

Today's gonna be a good day. Im going to go lift and then dive into the realm of LSAT haha

[Espadas]

Hey all!!

I'm not sure if this has already been addressed in one of the multitudes of pages on this thread, but what are you all using for prep material? I used the Princeton Review for the June 2016 LSAT, but then found that I had still not gotten as quick as I'd like, even if I felt confident in my accuracy. While I'm still awaiting my scores, I knew as soon as I finished the test that I could do better, so I signed up to take the Sept. LSAT and will be changing my materials. I have about 20 more practice tests and I will be drilling sections and timed tests to help improve my time, but what are your thoughts on the LSAT PowerScore Bible Trilogy??

[34iplaw]

the paper quality for these Manhattan books suck but I guess that's why they're $10 cheaper than PS (and they use a lot of made-up questions).

Haha! I was just thinking that when I was looking through them before (and when I first got them) The actual paper rips so damn easy. I have to be careful erasing it for fuck's sake. Oh well... And, yeah, I always hate made up questions. LG uses real ones mostly, but they tend to come from more recent PTs. I don't think it will be a problem because I'll likely forget the LG questions they use, but for LR/RC I tend to remember a bit better.

I actually like the made up ones, saves more questions for drilling! and I also trust made up questions by Manhattan much more than I would made up questions from Kaplan or Princeton Review!

That is one way to look at it. MLSAT made-up questions actually aren't bad at all. I didn't even realize that their LG ones were not all from prior prep tests until I went to review the chapter with 7Sage. So that is good news. I haven't gotten to LR/RC yet, but like you said, they are miles ahead of Kaplan and Princeton Review.

Funny story. About a month and a half ago when I started studying I was waiting for my LSAT Trainer. Bibles, and Manhattan bundles to come and I was quickly going through a Princeton Review book a friend gave me from years ago (I think 2013). IT was literally the biggest joke! It was mostly collections of mantras to repeat to yourself like: "On Test day I will not rush to the answer choices." The made up questions were also absolutely nothing like the LSAC's and had me thinking I was way more proficient at the LSAT then I was. Lost that thing real quick.

Yeah, the made up Manhattan games that I have seen don't bother me. They're also very explicit when it isn't a real game, and, usually, it is to drive something home or they just make up questions rather than the games to give you more experience with rarer question types [i.e. rule substitution.] I wonder why the companies just don't reskin games, but, perhaps, the underlying logic is also protected under the copyright? I feel like it also would be a kind of good way to prep... you'd start to notice that it's a characteristic of a 7 slot game type deal rather than those specific games that have i.

[proteinshake]

Hey all!!

I'm not sure if this has already been addressed in one of the multitudes of pages on this thread, but what are you all using for prep material? I used the Princeton Review for the June 2016 LSAT, but then found that I had still not gotten as quick as I'd like, even if I felt confident in my accuracy. While I'm still awaiting my scores, I knew as soon as I finished the test that I could do better, so I signed up to take the Sept. LSAT and will be changing my materials. I have about 20 more practice tests and I will be drilling sections and timed tests to help improve my time, but what are your thoughts on the LSAT PowerScore Bible Trilogy??

if you are going to use powerscore, only use the LR and LG Bible, the RC book is worthless. the Manhattan trilogy is far superior in my opinion, and if you have a grasp on the fundamentals already, you should 100% go Manhattan.

[20170322]

Think I may take a full PT tomorrow to get my confidence back.

I'm betting money on Sweet getting a 180 on test day. Cash or credit accepted.

I can't lose my money like that

But if there is anyone I know that will, it is you Sweet!

Thanks, y'all! I'm looking at Lawschoolnumbers daily now, and this is starting to feel real. If I hit the lowest of my last 4 tests (173), I'll be looking at full rides in the top 14. So unbelievable. A few years ago, I was wondering whether or not I would even be able to go to college

[Espadas]

Hey all!!

I'm not sure if this has already been addressed in one of the multitudes of pages on this thread, but what are you all using for prep material? I used the Princeton Review for the June 2016 LSAT, but then found that I had still not gotten as quick as I'd like, even if I felt confident in my accuracy. While I'm still awaiting my scores, I knew as soon as I finished the test that I could do better, so I signed up to take the Sept. LSAT and will be changing my materials. I have about 20 more practice tests and I will be drilling sections and timed tests to help improve my time, but what are your thoughts on the LSAT PowerScore Bible Trilogy??

if you are going to use powerscore, only use the LR and LG Bible, the RC book is worthless. the Manhattan trilogy is far superior in my opinion, and if you have a grasp on the fundamentals already, you should 100% go Manhattan.

What's the difference between the two??

[Mikey]

Think I may take a full PT tomorrow to get my confidence back.

I'm betting money on Sweet getting a 180 on test day. Cash or credit accepted.

I can't lose my money like that

But if there is anyone I know that will, it is you Sweet!

Thanks, y'all! I'm looking at Lawschoolnumbers daily now, and this is starting to feel real. If I hit the lowest of my last 4 tests (173), I'll be looking at full rides in the top 14. So unbelievable. A few years ago, I was wondering whether or not I would even be able to go to college

Good for you! I'm glad for you and hope know that you will go far!

[Alexandros]

Holy shit well that PT (65) did not go well at all.

LR1: -3
LG: -7 (!!! wtf wtf wtf wtf !!!)
RC: -6 (ran out of time, accidentally put a few answers in the wrong section of the scantron, and ended up having to randomly pick answers for a few.)
LR2: 0
raw score: 84
scaled: 167
k. *flips table*

I went into marking expecting RC to be a bit of a disaster - which it was - but LG was a bit of a surprise. It appears I made a bunch of stupid mistakes but I'm yet to go over it thoroughly. but like frick -7?? That's got to be one of my worst since diagnostic.

[34iplaw]

Holy shit well that PT (65) did not go well at all.

LR1: -3
LG: -7 (!!! wtf wtf wtf wtf !!!)
RC: -6 (ran out of time, accidentally put a few answers in the wrong section of the scantron, and ended up having to randomly pick answers for a few.)
LR2: 0
raw score: 84
scaled: 167
k. *flips table*

I went into marking expecting RC to be a bit of a disaster - which it was - but LG was a bit of a surprise. It appears I made a bunch of stupid mistakes but I'm yet to go over it thoroughly. but like frick -7?? That's got to be one of my worst since diagnostic.

That's a good problem to have but understandable that you're upset about it. Just learn from it and don't let it happen again. I suspect -7 was a missed inference or more likely a flipped rule or something if you've been doing close to -0 consistently.

Just redid HW1 drills and went 100% on those. Just need to revisit the HW2 and get onto that stuff.

[proteinshake]

Holy shit well that PT (65) did not go well at all.

LR1: -3
LG: -7 (!!! wtf wtf wtf wtf !!!)
RC: -6 (ran out of time, accidentally put a few answers in the wrong section of the scantron, and ended up having to randomly pick answers for a few.)
LR2: 0
raw score: 84
scaled: 167
k. *flips table*

I went into marking expecting RC to be a bit of a disaster - which it was - but LG was a bit of a surprise. It appears I made a bunch of stupid mistakes but I'm yet to go over it thoroughly. but like frick -7?? That's got to be one of my worst since diagnostic.

That's a good problem to have but understandable that you're upset about it. Just learn from it and don't let T happen again. I suspect -7 was a missed inference or more likely a flipped rule or something if you've been doing close to -0 consistently.

what would your score have been if you didn't make the bubbling error? it's important to take into account that this score isn't reflective only of LSAT ability since you did make a bubbling error.

[proteinshake]

Hey all!!

I'm not sure if this has already been addressed in one of the multitudes of pages on this thread, but what are you all using for prep material? I used the Princeton Review for the June 2016 LSAT, but then found that I had still not gotten as quick as I'd like, even if I felt confident in my accuracy. While I'm still awaiting my scores, I knew as soon as I finished the test that I could do better, so I signed up to take the Sept. LSAT and will be changing my materials. I have about 20 more practice tests and I will be drilling sections and timed tests to help improve my time, but what are your thoughts on the LSAT PowerScore Bible Trilogy??

if you are going to use powerscore, only use the LR and LG Bible, the RC book is worthless. the Manhattan trilogy is far superior in my opinion, and if you have a grasp on the fundamentals already, you should 100% go Manhattan.

What's the difference between the two??

Manhattan is geared towards those who are aiming for a top score and, I think, aren't completely clueless when it comes to the LSAT. here's a piece from their site: https://www.manhattanprep.com/lsat/blog ... tlas-lsat/. I've used PS and Manhattan and like Manhattan much more.

[20170322]

Holy shit well that PT (65) did not go well at all.

LR1: -3
LG: -7 (!!! wtf wtf wtf wtf !!!)
RC: -6 (ran out of time, accidentally put a few answers in the wrong section of the scantron, and ended up having to randomly pick answers for a few.)
LR2: 0
raw score: 84
scaled: 167
k. *flips table*

I went into marking expecting RC to be a bit of a disaster - which it was - but LG was a bit of a surprise. It appears I made a bunch of stupid mistakes but I'm yet to go over it thoroughly. but like frick -7?? That's got to be one of my worst since diagnostic.

Seems like a warmup may be helpful?

[Alexandros]

Holy shit well that PT (65) did not go well at all.

LR1: -3
LG: -7 (!!! wtf wtf wtf wtf !!!)
RC: -6 (ran out of time, accidentally put a few answers in the wrong section of the scantron, and ended up having to randomly pick answers for a few.)
LR2: 0
raw score: 84
scaled: 167
k. *flips table*

I went into marking expecting RC to be a bit of a disaster - which it was - but LG was a bit of a surprise. It appears I made a bunch of stupid mistakes but I'm yet to go over it thoroughly. but like frick -7?? That's got to be one of my worst since diagnostic.

That's a good problem to have but understandable that you're upset about it. Just learn from it and don't let T happen again. I suspect -7 was a missed inference or more likely a flipped rule or something if you've been doing close to -0 consistently.

what would your score have been if you didn't make the bubbling error? it's important to take into account that this score isn't reflective only of LSAT ability since you did make a bubbling error.

Sorry, I worded that poorly - I did manage to catch the bubbling error in time (barely) so its only effects were wasting time and setting me further off kilter.
That's very good advice, 34iplaw! Think I'm going to re-do the logic games this evening (after going for a run and getting sustenance) and see what happens.

[Alexandros]

Holy shit well that PT (65) did not go well at all.

LR1: -3
LG: -7 (!!! wtf wtf wtf wtf !!!)
RC: -6 (ran out of time, accidentally put a few answers in the wrong section of the scantron, and ended up having to randomly pick answers for a few.)
LR2: 0
raw score: 84
scaled: 167
k. *flips table*

I went into marking expecting RC to be a bit of a disaster - which it was - but LG was a bit of a surprise. It appears I made a bunch of stupid mistakes but I'm yet to go over it thoroughly. but like frick -7?? That's got to be one of my worst since diagnostic.

Seems like a warmup may be helpful?

Definitely! Good advice! I'm noticing it takes my brain a little while to form coherent sentences out of words, and I found myself rereading sentences multiple times. Could've contributed to the -3 LR for sure.

[Barack O'Drama]

Hey all!!

I'm not sure if this has already been addressed in one of the multitudes of pages on this thread, but what are you all using for prep material? I used the Princeton Review for the June 2016 LSAT, but then found that I had still not gotten as quick as I'd like, even if I felt confident in my accuracy. While I'm still awaiting my scores, I knew as soon as I finished the test that I could do better, so I signed up to take the Sept. LSAT and will be changing my materials. I have about 20 more practice tests and I will be drilling sections and timed tests to help improve my time, but what are your thoughts on the LSAT PowerScore Bible Trilogy??

if you are going to use powerscore, only use the LR and LG Bible, the RC book is worthless. the Manhattan trilogy is far superior in my opinion, and if you have a grasp on the fundamentals already, you should 100% go Manhattan.

What's the difference between the two??

Manhattan is geared towards those who are aiming for a top score and, I think, aren't completely clueless when it comes to the LSAT. here's a piece from their site: https://www.manhattanprep.com/lsat/blog ... tlas-lsat/. I've used PS and Manhattan and like Manhattan much more.

Protein is absolutely correct! He recommended I switch from PS to MLSAT and since, well, I have seen such significant improvement that the LSAT seems like a very deferrable beast. For me, MLSAT removed the mystery of the LSAT. It showed me: 1) there is a correct way to tackle every question. And 2) The LSAT is the same 100 question test, over and over again. I would certainly recommend MLSAT for someone trying to score deep in the 90+%-tile. I don't think this renders PS bibles useless--with the exception of the RC, which is just down right bad--but beyond the basics, I think MLSAT is superior in every way. I am still using the LG/LR bibles along side the MLSAT mostly because I think I don't want to admit I wasted the money on both trilogies, lol.

[Barack O'Drama]

Also, I will add that I think as a beginner the MLSAT can seem to move a little fast. This is why I think breezing through the chapters of the bibles helped me to better understand the MLSAT.

[proteinshake]

Also, I will add that I think as a beginner the MLSAT can seem to move a little fast. This is why I think breezing through the chapters of the bibles helped me to better understand the MLSAT.

agreed with this, the MLSAT seems to rush through the basics!

[proteinshake]

do you all time yourselves when drilling LR? I don't think its particularly useful to time each individual question. you'll know if you're spending too much time if you keep having to pause and re-reading answer choices and the stimulus. thoughts?

[34iplaw]

do you all time yourselves when drilling LR? I don't think its particularly useful to time each individual question. you'll know if you're spending too much time if you keep having to pause and re-reading answer choices and the stimulus. thoughts?

Currently, no. I think your assertion is right. If you are focused on trying to get 100% accuracy, do that. I think you'll be fairly cognizant of when you spent too long on a question.

[Archer@Law]

Back on the grind this morning.

Drilled 7 ordering games on LG and went -2. Trying to tighten up accuracy and speed. My pace was downright atrocious on some of these. Planning on going through these multiple times ala 7sage Foolproof method. Any thoughts on it?

Anyway, on deck for today: work + more ordering games and some grouping.

[Alexandros]

do you all time yourselves when drilling LR? I don't think its particularly useful to time each individual question. you'll know if you're spending too much time if you keep having to pause and re-reading answer choices and the stimulus. thoughts?

Yeah, I rarely bother to time for individual questions. I think what you said's a good general rule. Most of my drilling lately has been full sections, so I do time those . Also time Manhattan's by type drills, but not by type drills in which I have to locate specific questions in the PTs.

[20170322]

Dealing with lots of anxiety. Funny enough, the LSAT is my way to escape it. It completely encompasses my thoughts, preventing any fears or insecurities. Haha, the nerdiest therapy ever.

[Alexandros]

Dealing with lots of anxiety. Funny enough, the LSAT is my way to escape it. It completely encompasses my thoughts, preventing any fears or insecurities. Haha, the nerdiest therapy ever.

God, I know what you mean. It's a great way to, like, completely dissociate yourself from immediate, real-life concerns (of a non-'future career' nature) and feel like you're doing something productive & worthwhile at the same time? As much as I complain about this test, idk what I'd be doing without it sometimes tbh.