The Official September 2016 Study Group - WAKE ME UP WHEN SEPTEMBER ENDS Forum

[Mikey]

I'm really proof for anyone who feels completely lost/slow on logic games that you can improve a lot, and quickly at that. Been prepping seriously for about a month now and can do most any ordering problem untimed and go -0. For the past few days I've been timing myself and not taking more than 10 minutes, even on more challenging ones.

Congrats on improving!! See, I told you that you'd get the hang of it!

[Mikey]

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how did you find the BP RC book? I also received a copy of it, and since RC is my worst section, I figured I should read it if others had good experiences with it. I've seen a few people say its the best book on the market and better than Manhattan. what's your input??

I really liked the way that they teach you to read for structure. I haven't read any other books for RC so I can't compare it, but yeah it's a good book, imo. The only downside I think it has is that it focuses too much on writing things down. I mean, there's nothing wrong with writing something next to the passage but I felt like they overdo it. I like how they split up passage types (by structure) and the things that they teach you about question types in RC is helpful. To be completely honest, after I read it and practiced with their methods, I found myself losing focus too much since I overdid the note taking. I went to literally doing no note taking at all and I feel like that helped me maintain my focus. So everything about it is good except the excessive amount of note taking/marking that is mentioned, I feel like it wasted a lot of time.

ah okay cool. if I decide to read through it, I'll just ignore the markings part because that'll just mess me up.

Yeah that really messed me up. If I do make any markings now, it's usually just like a quick underline under an important persons name or something ;P. They show you this like diagram thing that you write the diff views on while doing the passage. This helped me but wasted tons of time so I just kinda learned to keep the views in a mental image instead which since you don't mark much, I assume?, you do too

[Barack O'Drama]

I'm really proof for anyone who feels completely lost/slow on logic games that you can improve a lot, and quickly at that. Been prepping seriously for about a month now and can do most any ordering problem untimed and go -0. For the past few days I've been timing myself and not taking more than 10 minutes, even on more challenging ones.

Congrats on improving!! See, I told you that you'd get the hang of it!

You did Mikey! Thank you for all your support and advice along the way, especially when I first started! Got a long way to go, but compared to a month ago I feel 10x better about LG

[proteinshake]

I'm really proof for anyone who feels completely lost/slow on logic games that you can improve a lot, and quickly at that. Been prepping seriously for about a month now and can do most any ordering problem untimed and go -0. For the past few days I've been timing myself and not taking more than 10 minutes, even on more challenging ones.

Congrats on improving!! See, I told you that you'd get the hang of it!

You did Mikey! Thank you for all your support and advice along the way, especially when I first started! Got a long way to go, but compared to a month ago I feel 10x better about LG

one thing that really helped me is taking the 'Big Pause' after the setup. do you make sure you take the big pause and consider the most important rules and making sure you didn't miss any big inferences?

[proteinshake]

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how did you find the BP RC book? I also received a copy of it, and since RC is my worst section, I figured I should read it if others had good experiences with it. I've seen a few people say its the best book on the market and better than Manhattan. what's your input??

I really liked the way that they teach you to read for structure. I haven't read any other books for RC so I can't compare it, but yeah it's a good book, imo. The only downside I think it has is that it focuses too much on writing things down. I mean, there's nothing wrong with writing something next to the passage but I felt like they overdo it. I like how they split up passage types (by structure) and the things that they teach you about question types in RC is helpful. To be completely honest, after I read it and practiced with their methods, I found myself losing focus too much since I overdid the note taking. I went to literally doing no note taking at all and I feel like that helped me maintain my focus. So everything about it is good except the excessive amount of note taking/marking that is mentioned, I feel like it wasted a lot of time.

ah okay cool. if I decide to read through it, I'll just ignore the markings part because that'll just mess me up.

Yeah that really messed me up. If I do make any markings now, it's usually just like a quick underline under an important persons name or something ;P. They show you this like diagram thing that you write the diff views on while doing the passage. This helped me but wasted tons of time so I just kinda learned to keep the views in a mental image instead which since you don't mark much, I assume?, you do too

yeah I just take a pause during my reading when a new viewpoint is introduced and make sure I remember it. I pretty much just read the passage like I'm reading for class, not trying to memorize everything, but making sure I know the important parts (in addition to the structure). RC feels much easier than before now that I'm spending much less time reading the passage.

[Barack O'Drama]

I'm really proof for anyone who feels completely lost/slow on logic games that you can improve a lot, and quickly at that. Been prepping seriously for about a month now and can do most any ordering problem untimed and go -0. For the past few days I've been timing myself and not taking more than 10 minutes, even on more challenging ones.

Congrats on improving!! See, I told you that you'd get the hang of it!

You did Mikey! Thank you for all your support and advice along the way, especially when I first started! Got a long way to go, but compared to a month ago I feel 10x better about LG

one thing that really helped me is taking the 'Big Pause' after the setup. do you make sure you take the big pause and consider the most important rules and making sure you didn't miss any big inferences?

Proteinshake, another TLSer who has helped ol' Barack succeed from the get go!
Honestly, since I've been reading the MLSAT I have been! I think I need to work on it though because I am usually trying to go faster and more than once have missed an important rule/inference upfront because of this. So I think taking 15 seconds or whatever after my setup would do me a lot of good. Thanks for the reminder to take a pause after and see the big picture as well as avoid careless mistakes!

[Rupert Pupkin]

I'm really proof for anyone who feels completely lost/slow on logic games that you can improve a lot, and quickly at that. Been prepping seriously for about a month now and can do most any ordering problem untimed and go -0. For the past few days I've been timing myself and not taking more than 10 minutes, even on more challenging ones.

Congrats on improving!! See, I told you that you'd get the hang of it!

You did Mikey! Thank you for all your support and advice along the way, especially when I first started! Got a long way to go, but compared to a month ago I feel 10x better about LG

one thing that really helped me is taking the 'Big Pause' after the setup. do you make sure you take the big pause and consider the most important rules and making sure you didn't miss any big inferences?

Proteinshake, another TLSer who has helped ol' Barack succeed from the get go!
Honestly, since I've been reading the MLSAT I have been! I think I need to work on it though because I am usually trying to go faster and more than once have missed an important rule/inference upfront because of this. So I think taking 15 seconds or whatever after my setup would do me a lot of good. Thanks for the reminder to take a pause after and see the big picture as well as avoid careless mistakes!

Great job man! Persistence is the key behind proper preparation .CHEERS!

[34iplaw]

It's a bit early, but I had my iced McDonald's coffee (none of that sweetener nonsense) and sausage mcgriddle. Good to go.

If you have not endulged in a mcgriddle, you have not lived.

180. mcgriddles are really tasty. Also, great for curing hangovers. Last year when I was still in UG, I would have to get them a couple times of month just for its magical ability to cure hangovers, and sometimes I am sure just because they are super tasty. God awfully unhealthy, but too tasty to care.

Also, McD's iced coffee is actually really good and I prefer it to most Starbucks and Dunkins.

Have a good day prepping today iplaw

Thanks - you too. Just got out of class. Focus today was on quantifiers. I get a bit irritated when they use a paraphrase to eliminate an answers when there are more solid ways to do so. It feels like a gimmick that's good if you need to move on and guess but otherwise risky.

Same. McD iced coffee (sans sweetener) is actually really good. McGriddles are life. I rarely eat them, but I wish there was some swanky NYC place that had them so I could have it without the guilt of McDonalds.

Rest of day - check out Testmasters homework. Do whatever corresponding drills and maybe beginning 20questions (100 in this set). Do some complex ordering and, perhaps, start some grouping which should help with ordering to an extent.

[Barack O'Drama]

It's a bit early, but I had my iced McDonald's coffee (none of that sweetener nonsense) and sausage mcgriddle. Good to go.

If you have not endulged in a mcgriddle, you have not lived.

180. mcgriddles are really tasty. Also, great for curing hangovers. Last year when I was still in UG, I would have to get them a couple times of month just for its magical ability to cure hangovers, and sometimes I am sure just because they are super tasty. God awfully unhealthy, but too tasty to care.

Also, McD's iced coffee is actually really good and I prefer it to most Starbucks and Dunkins.

Have a good day prepping today iplaw

Thanks - you too. Just got out of class. Focus today was on quantifiers. I get a bit irritated when they use a paraphrase to eliminate an answers when there are more solid ways to do so. It feels like a gimmick that's good if you need to move on and guess but otherwise risky.

Same. McD iced coffee (sans sweetener) is actually really good. McGriddles are life. I rarely eat them, but I wish there was some swanky NYC place that had them so I could have it without the guilt of McDonalds.

Rest of day - check out Testmasters homework. Do whatever corresponding drills and maybe beginning 20questions (100 in this set). Do some complex ordering and, perhaps, start some grouping which should help with ordering to an extent.

I'm really proof for anyone who feels completely lost/slow on logic games that you can improve a lot, and quickly at that. Been prepping seriously for about a month now and can do most any ordering problem untimed and go -0. For the past few days I've been timing myself and not taking more than 10 minutes, even on more challenging ones.

Congrats on improving!! See, I told you that you'd get the hang of it!

You did Mikey! Thank you for all your support and advice along the way, especially when I first started! Got a long way to go, but compared to a month ago I feel 10x better about LG

one thing that really helped me is taking the 'Big Pause' after the setup. do you make sure you take the big pause and consider the most important rules and making sure you didn't miss any big inferences?

Proteinshake, another TLSer who has helped ol' Barack succeed from the get go!
Honestly, since I've been reading the MLSAT I have been! I think I need to work on it though because I am usually trying to go faster and more than once have missed an important rule/inference upfront because of this. So I think taking 15 seconds or whatever after my setup would do me a lot of good. Thanks for the reminder to take a pause after and see the big picture as well as avoid careless mistakes!

Great job man! Persistence is the key behind proper preparation .CHEERS!

Thanks jager!



iplaw, sounds like a good day so far! I hear ya on the quantifiers and agree there can be better ways to do. For some questions it is all you need to eliminate answers, and for harder ones it might not be a useful. Definitely gimmicky, but it can work. I'm still drilling complex ordering games myself and am kind of tempted to start full-on grouping. I just feel like I need a break from the constant advanced ordering I've been doing. I hope it won't hurt to start grouping and maybe mix some advanced grouping and relative ordering into my studies?... I guess I will just have to see.

What kind of homework does Testmasters assign? Sounds like it is pretty helpful for keeping you doing a little bit of everything. I think I need to start mixing in from LR into my sole LG prep.

[34iplaw]

It's a bit early, but I had my iced McDonald's coffee (none of that sweetener nonsense) and sausage mcgriddle. Good to go.

If you have not endulged in a mcgriddle, you have not lived.

180. mcgriddles are really tasty. Also, great for curing hangovers. Last year when I was still in UG, I would have to get them a couple times of month just for its magical ability to cure hangovers, and sometimes I am sure just because they are super tasty. God awfully unhealthy, but too tasty to care.

Also, McD's iced coffee is actually really good and I prefer it to most Starbucks and Dunkins.

Have a good day prepping today iplaw

Thanks - you too. Just got out of class. Focus today was on quantifiers. I get a bit irritated when they use a paraphrase to eliminate an answers when there are more solid ways to do so. It feels like a gimmick that's good if you need to move on and guess but otherwise risky.

Same. McD iced coffee (sans sweetener) is actually really good. McGriddles are life. I rarely eat them, but I wish there was some swanky NYC place that had them so I could have it without the guilt of McDonalds.

Rest of day - check out Testmasters homework. Do whatever corresponding drills and maybe beginning 20questions (100 in this set). Do some complex ordering and, perhaps, start some grouping which should help with ordering to an extent.

I'm really proof for anyone who feels completely lost/slow on logic games that you can improve a lot, and quickly at that. Been prepping seriously for about a month now and can do most any ordering problem untimed and go -0. For the past few days I've been timing myself and not taking more than 10 minutes, even on more challenging ones.

Congrats on improving!! See, I told you that you'd get the hang of it!

You did Mikey! Thank you for all your support and advice along the way, especially when I first started! Got a long way to go, but compared to a month ago I feel 10x better about LG

one thing that really helped me is taking the 'Big Pause' after the setup. do you make sure you take the big pause and consider the most important rules and making sure you didn't miss any big inferences?

Proteinshake, another TLSer who has helped ol' Barack succeed from the get go!
Honestly, since I've been reading the MLSAT I have been! I think I need to work on it though because I am usually trying to go faster and more than once have missed an important rule/inference upfront because of this. So I think taking 15 seconds or whatever after my setup would do me a lot of good. Thanks for the reminder to take a pause after and see the big picture as well as avoid careless mistakes!

Great job man! Persistence is the key behind proper preparation .CHEERS!

Thanks jager!



iplaw, sounds like a good day so far! I hear ya on the quantifiers and agree there can be better ways to do. For some questions it is all you need to eliminate answers, and for harder ones it might not be a useful. Definitely gimmicky, but it can work. I'm still drilling complex ordering games myself and am kind of tempted to start full-on grouping. I just feel like I need a break from the constant advanced ordering I've been doing. I hope it won't hurt to start grouping and maybe mix some advanced grouping and relative ordering into my studies?... I guess I will just have to see.

What kind of homework does Testmasters assign? Sounds like it is pretty helpful for keeping you doing a little bit of everything. I think I need to start mixing in from LR into my sole LG prep.

It's definitely made me remember that LG is not the entirety of this test. So far, it seems to sort of assign questions almost like the Cambridge packs.

First homework was a definition quiz [ranked to compete against others if you should wish], review on 15 main types of LR questions and their frequencies, three drills, and 40 necessary-sufficient questions of varying degrees of difficulty. Three drills were on identifying question types, sufficient and necessary diagramming, and argument completion.

Second homework began with three drills. Logical construct question drill which would have a prompt and you would select where the answer falls on the logical construct as well as the wrong answers. The next two were variations of the same thing [one premise, one conclusion] based on conditional statements with qualifiers. The homework consists of 100 Type 1 [must be true] and Type 1V [must be true barring a meteor] questions. This overlaps with the cambridge packet I think, but I haven't opened my logical reasoning one yet.

Generally [meaning last time and I'm trying to do it this time], I do the drills when I've winded down from class [night classes this means the following day] and then go into the questions. I did half last time, and the other half the next day which was preceded by drills and skimming some of the online lecture. I'm not sure that I will have the time to do that this time, but I have to see how hard/easy the questions are.

[lawperson17]

Anyone want to be study partners? I'm currently scoring in the low 160s and striving for a 170+ in the September LSAT. It would be nice if your stats/goals are similar to mine so that we can improve together

@TLS1776's thread really inspired me to make this post!
http://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/v ... 6&t=120471

Please message me if interested!

[34iplaw]

Anyone want to be study partners? I'm currently scoring in the low 160s and striving for a 170+ in the September LSAT. It would be nice if your stats/goals are similar to mine so that we can improve together

@TLS1776's thread really inspired me to make this post!
http://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/v ... 6&t=120471

I'm in the sameish boat as you, but I suspect with my course and attempts at outside work that I won't have much time to be fully committed to one. I'm fully down if you want to pick some games or passages and shoot them back and forth at some point... it really depends what time commitment and section you're looking for.

Just finished first 10 questions. One really stupid error and one that irritates me a bit more (this paraphrasing deal...I'll have to figure out how to weigh it being invalidating or not.)

[lawperson17]

Anyone want to be study partners? I'm currently scoring in the low 160s and striving for a 170+ in the September LSAT. It would be nice if your stats/goals are similar to mine so that we can improve together

@TLS1776's thread really inspired me to make this post!
http://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/v ... 6&t=120471

I'm in the sameish boat as you, but I suspect with my course and attempts at outside work that I won't have much time to be fully committed to one. I'm fully down if you want to pick some games or passages and shoot them back and forth at some point... it really depends what time commitment and section you're looking for.

Just finished first 10 questions. One really stupid error and one that irritates me a bit more (this paraphrasing deal...I'll have to figure out how to weigh it being invalidating or not.)

I was hoping that my study partner(s) and I could update each other regarding our progress ideally twice a week. I really want someone who can be honest and critical of my weaknesses, as I'll do the same. We can keep each other accountable and motivated!

[20170322]

Major nerd alert:

Today, I went to my testing center and scoped out the testing location, the hotel I'm staying at, and the Starbucks I'll be at the morning of. Feel much more at ease now, as silly as it seems.

[Doubting Law]

Major nerd alert:

Today, I went to my testing center and scoped out the testing location, the hotel I'm staying at, and the Starbucks I'll be at the morning of. Feel much more at ease now, as silly as it seems.

Nice. I've been meaning to do that soon.

[20170322]

Major nerd alert:

Today, I went to my testing center and scoped out the testing location, the hotel I'm staying at, and the Starbucks I'll be at the morning of. Feel much more at ease now, as silly as it seems.

Nice. I've been meaning to do that soon.

It was really calming. My texting center is in the middle of nowhere, so it'll be quiet. The testing room may be a little packed, but the desk space is more ample than I thought from the reviews. I'm glad I decided to take it at a center a little further away.

[Doubting Law]

Major nerd alert:

Today, I went to my testing center and scoped out the testing location, the hotel I'm staying at, and the Starbucks I'll be at the morning of. Feel much more at ease now, as silly as it seems.

Nice. I've been meaning to do that soon.

It was really calming. My texting center is in the middle of nowhere, so it'll be quiet. The testing room may be a little packed, but the desk space is more ample than I thought from the reviews. I'm glad I decided to take it at a center a little further away.

I feel ya. I hope my center is relaxed like yours. Has your testing room already been posted? My registration page only shows the testing center being assigned.

[20170322]

Major nerd alert:

Today, I went to my testing center and scoped out the testing location, the hotel I'm staying at, and the Starbucks I'll be at the morning of. Feel much more at ease now, as silly as it seems.

Nice. I've been meaning to do that soon.

It was really calming. My texting center is in the middle of nowhere, so it'll be quiet. The testing room may be a little packed, but the desk space is more ample than I thought from the reviews. I'm glad I decided to take it at a center a little further away.

I feel ya. I hope my center is relaxed like yours. Has your testing room already been posted? My registration page only shows the testing center being assigned.

It hasn't been posted, but I sort of used context clues. Small school, so I guessed it was in the law school, and there was only one room that looked capable of it. But even if it's not there, I'm glad I checked out the campus and hotel.

[proteinshake]

the paper quality for these Manhattan books suck but I guess that's why they're $10 cheaper than PS (and they use a lot of made-up questions).

[Barack O'Drama]

the paper quality for these Manhattan books suck but I guess that's why they're $10 cheaper than PS (and they use a lot of made-up questions).

Haha! I was just thinking that when I was looking through them before (and when I first got them) The actual paper rips so damn easy. I have to be careful erasing it for fuck's sake. Oh well... And, yeah, I always hate made up questions. LG uses real ones mostly, but they tend to come from more recent PTs. I don't think it will be a problem because I'll likely forget the LG questions they use, but for LR/RC I tend to remember a bit better.

[Barack O'Drama]

Major nerd alert:

Today, I went to my testing center and scoped out the testing location, the hotel I'm staying at, and the Starbucks I'll be at the morning of. Feel much more at ease now, as silly as it seems.

Nice. I've been meaning to do that soon.

It was really calming. My texting center is in the middle of nowhere, so it'll be quiet. The testing room may be a little packed, but the desk space is more ample than I thought from the reviews. I'm glad I decided to take it at a center a little further away.

I feel ya. I hope my center is relaxed like yours. Has your testing room already been posted? My registration page only shows the testing center being assigned.

It hasn't been posted, but I sort of used context clues. Small school, so I guessed it was in the law school, and there was only one room that looked capable of it. But even if it's not there, I'm glad I checked out the campus and hotel.

I'm glad it all worked out for ya Tort! Mine is at my local TTT, so I want to check it out and make sure I'm not getting the shitty folding desks

[proteinshake]

the paper quality for these Manhattan books suck but I guess that's why they're $10 cheaper than PS (and they use a lot of made-up questions).

Haha! I was just thinking that when I was looking through them before (and when I first got them) The actual paper rips so damn easy. I have to be careful erasing it for fuck's sake. Oh well... And, yeah, I always hate made up questions. LG uses real ones mostly, but they tend to come from more recent PTs. I don't think it will be a problem because I'll likely forget the LG questions they use, but for LR/RC I tend to remember a bit better.

I actually like the made up ones, saves more questions for drilling! and I also trust made up questions by Manhattan much more than I would made up questions from Kaplan or Princeton Review!

[34iplaw]

Anyone want to be study partners? I'm currently scoring in the low 160s and striving for a 170+ in the September LSAT. It would be nice if your stats/goals are similar to mine so that we can improve together

@TLS1776's thread really inspired me to make this post!
http://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/v ... 6&t=120471

I'm in the sameish boat as you, but I suspect with my course and attempts at outside work that I won't have much time to be fully committed to one. I'm fully down if you want to pick some games or passages and shoot them back and forth at some point... it really depends what time commitment and section you're looking for.

Just finished first 10 questions. One really stupid error and one that irritates me a bit more (this paraphrasing deal...I'll have to figure out how to weigh it being invalidating or not.)

I was hoping that my study partner(s) and I could update each other regarding our progress ideally twice a week. I really want someone who can be honest and critical of my weaknesses, as I'll do the same. We can keep each other accountable and motivated!

I can always PM you if you want if it would help, but, in general, I've been posting what I've done almost daily here. It may get annoying to others, as it's a bit long at times haha.

Anywho,

Good morning all. I really don't feel like it today, so I'm going to give myself another hour of just lying in bed and watching Netflix. After which, redo drills in HW1 & 2 of Testmasters and at least 35 of the Type 1 Questions.
.

[20170322]

Think I may take a full PT tomorrow to get my confidence back.

[Barack O'Drama]

the paper quality for these Manhattan books suck but I guess that's why they're $10 cheaper than PS (and they use a lot of made-up questions).

Haha! I was just thinking that when I was looking through them before (and when I first got them) The actual paper rips so damn easy. I have to be careful erasing it for fuck's sake. Oh well... And, yeah, I always hate made up questions. LG uses real ones mostly, but they tend to come from more recent PTs. I don't think it will be a problem because I'll likely forget the LG questions they use, but for LR/RC I tend to remember a bit better.

I actually like the made up ones, saves more questions for drilling! and I also trust made up questions by Manhattan much more than I would made up questions from Kaplan or Princeton Review!

That is one way to look at it. MLSAT made-up questions actually aren't bad at all. I didn't even realize that their LG ones were not all from prior prep tests until I went to review the chapter with 7Sage. So that is good news. I haven't gotten to LR/RC yet, but like you said, they are miles ahead of Kaplan and Princeton Review.

Funny story. About a month and a half ago when I started studying I was waiting for my LSAT Trainer. Bibles, and Manhattan bundles to come and I was quickly going through a Princeton Review book a friend gave me from years ago (I think 2013). IT was literally the biggest joke! It was mostly collections of mantras to repeat to yourself like: "On Test day I will not rush to the answer choices." The made up questions were also absolutely nothing like the LSAC's and had me thinking I was way more proficient at the LSAT then I was. Lost that thing real quick.