real The Official December 2016 Waiters Group - Patience is a Virtue Forum

[CHyde]

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[cherrygalore]

I'm firmly convinced the curve for Sept got a little screwed by the answer pattern on the fourth game. That said, I would have still been unhappy and vastly underperformed even with another point on the raw conversion.

That makes so much sense! I really think you're right.

[34iplaw]

I'm firmly convinced the curve for Sept got a little screwed by the answer pattern on the fourth game. That said, I would have still been unhappy and vastly underperformed even with another point on the raw conversion.

everything about September pre and post test screams dumpster fire to me. I tried to be objective when score came out and looked at everything and kept asking myself HOW IS IT ONLY A -12 CURVE. Everyone I know irl underperformed as well, just a strange test. I fully expect December to be just as strange.

I'm hoping not as weird where how it seems many under performed (although I suppose it's possible this happens every time and far fewer people actually underperformed) but I do think that a weird game will trend towards being the norm... I.e. One that doesn't fit into a neat happy area.

[34iplaw]

I'm firmly convinced the curve for Sept got a little screwed by the answer pattern on the fourth game. That said, I would have still been unhappy and vastly underperformed even with another point on the raw conversion.

That makes so much sense! I really think you're right.

Yeah. I think it'd be interesting to see the frequency on which students just straight answered what towards the end of a test when those were not the right answer choice. Granted, maybe this would have made the test a -13 or -14 somehow...I still would have been upset with my score...but it would have been the lower end of my expectation rather than below that.

Anywho. My game plan is to not get -6 on RC. I don't want to be on the bandwagon of typically losing as much on RC as every other section combined.

I'm very open to any tips from anyone who made significant progress from -6 (pretty consistently with some time crunch but finishing)

[kindofcanuck]

This is exactly what I asked Spivey about. The Sep tests, including the undisclosed ones, were really difficult and that's showing with the huge increase in Dec retakers. 15% is ridiculously high. The app cycle will definitely get pushed back since a ton of ppl will be applying after Dec scores come out. The question is though, does that mean you're in a better position applying early? Really not sure about that and would appreciate what you guys have to say about that.

I'm glad to hear someone else posit that - taking the European test, I couldn't contribute to most of post-test discussion, but we had at least one cow of a game in both sections (one exp), and there were some LR qs where I immediately ruled out all the answers then sat there going 'huh'.

Most annoying thing about taking non-disclosed is that you never find out where your foulups were, or even get to see the Qs again to try to figure things out blind.

[Greenteachurro]

Have folks used the LSAT - India PTS to supplement their routine? I've heard mixed reviews.

http://www.pearsonvueindia.com/lsatindi ... -test-prep

I didn't even know the India PTs were available. Buuuut, why do they get 4 free PTs and we get one ?

[CHyde]

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[CHyde]

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[Mikey]

PT 54:

162

RC: -13
LR: -1
LG: -0
LR: -5

Felt fatigue in section 4 LR, didn't take a 15 min break. Felt really good about section 2 LR. LG was normal, kind of easy ones imo. RC, idk how to read so pardon my stupidity.

e: forgot to mention that i used the 7sage phone proctor thing

[Mikey]

I wouldn't call myself an RC expert but I'm now PTing RC at a -1-0 range

howww

[calpolisci2016]

You guys see December registrants are up 15% from last year?!

i hope this means that the people who apply in January aren't hindered too much. prayers to the lsac gods for a merciful December test.

Shit! no i didn't. Last year's September test prob wasn't as brutal. how many in total including Sept + Dec for both years? I'd imagine, in sum, they are around the same and not total +15%.

Total takers up 1% in Sept, but first timers down 0.4%. The bump for December probably has something to do with Sept being so hard and having the registration deadline before scores came out. I'm definitely rethinking my application strategy now though.

Credit to Spivey's Twitter for the numbers.

The last big jump from Sept. to Dec. test takers was in 2009. I checked sept. 2009's test (PT 58), and while I can't recall its difficulty, some quick checks online says it was a very hard LG section as well.

[Greenteachurro]

PT 54:

162

RC: -13
LR: -1
LG: -0
LR: -5

Felt fatigue in section 4 LR, didn't take a 15 min break. Felt really good about section 2 LR. LG was normal, kind of easy ones imo. RC, idk how to read so pardon my stupidity.

e: forgot to mention that i used the 7sage phone proctor thing

Damn if you could get RC in check you would murder this test

[dj9i27]

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[Deardevil]

Have folks used the LSAT - India PTS to supplement their routine? I've heard mixed reviews.

http://www.pearsonvueindia.com/lsatindi ... -test-prep

I'm taking the first one right now. Looks almost too easy. LG and RC questions have four answer choices instead of five.

[34iplaw]

I wouldn't call myself an RC expert but I'm now PTing RC at a -1-0 range

howww

Well, that would make you absolutely perfect to help me! Haha.

TBH, general main point questions tend to get me and some of the general ones. Typically, any detail I missed I understand why.

I just finished the first 80ish pages in Manhattan RC (scale PEAR and such...dominated those reading for definition in context). I'll take some detailed notes on the next passages I do. If there's a particular PT you are familiar with or think is good for checking issues out, I'll look at those. I know in Sept that Eileen crushed me and I think I missed the last question but that was obviously nerves looking back at that one. Humanities in general are a bit of a weakness.

I'm not sure if it's something I read too close or try to pull more from the text than is there... I remember many moons ago I had that problem with the SAT verbal. I guess part of my issue is that (while I fully understand the LSAT is not the SAT) I feel like -6 on RC is not remotely okay given my general strength at reading/language/past scores on reading comprehension for standardized tests.

[34iplaw]

Have folks used the LSAT - India PTS to supplement their routine? I've heard mixed reviews.

http://www.pearsonvueindia.com/lsatindi ... -test-prep

I'm taking the first one right now. Looks almost too easy. LG and RC questions have four answer choices instead of five.

Can I fly to India and take the LSAT there? It seems like it'd be a prudent investment.

[Mikey]

PT 54:

162

RC: -13
LR: -1
LG: -0
LR: -5

Felt fatigue in section 4 LR, didn't take a 15 min break. Felt really good about section 2 LR. LG was normal, kind of easy ones imo. RC, idk how to read so pardon my stupidity.

e: forgot to mention that i used the 7sage phone proctor thing

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RC seems to be the bane of your test existence, is it a timing issue?

Timing is a bit of an issue with RC, but even the passages/question I get through don't seem to all be right. fwiw, i usually always have like 3 questions left unanswered by the time 35 mins is up, aka, i always have to rush the last passage i do.

i just suck at rc

[Greenteachurro]

I wouldn't call myself an RC expert but I'm now PTing RC at a -1-0 range

howww

Well, that would make you absolutely perfect to help me! Haha.

TBH, general main point questions tend to get me and some of the general ones. Typically, any detail I missed I understand why.

I just finished the first 80ish pages in Manhattan RC (scale PEAR and such...dominated those reading for definition in context). I'll take some detailed notes on the next passages I do. If there's a particular PT you are familiar with or think is good for checking issues out, I'll look at those. I know in Sept that Eileen crushed me and I think I missed the last question but that was obviously nerves looking back at that one. Humanities in general are a bit of a weakness.

I'm not sure if it's something I read too close or try to pull more from the text than is there... I remember many moons ago I had that problem with the SAT verbal. I guess part of my issue is that (while I fully understand the LSAT is not the SAT) I feel like -6 on RC is not remotely okay given my general strength at reading/language/past scores on reading comprehension for standardized tests.

I moved from -6 to -3 over past couple of weeks and I found that doing a couple of passages untimed and really taking like 8-9 minutes to fully understand the passage helped a ton. Also I use the LSAT hacks method + Voyager, which is to read the passage twice and, then underline sentences I think are going to be the most important and definitions.

[34iplaw]

PT 54:

162

RC: -13
LR: -1
LG: -0
LR: -5

Felt fatigue in section 4 LR, didn't take a 15 min break. Felt really good about section 2 LR. LG was normal, kind of easy ones imo. RC, idk how to read so pardon my stupidity.

e: forgot to mention that i used the 7sage phone proctor thing

I feel like RC is a bit tighter timing wise than LR, so that could make sense. Either way, you should def be doing better on RC. Similar skills exist for RC and LR and I find it hard to figure out why the scores would be so disparate. Also, what happened on second LR? Ran out of time or?

RC seems to be the bane of your test existence, is it a timing issue?

Timing is a bit of an issue with RC, but even the passages/question I get through don't seem to all be right. fwiw, i usually always have like 3 questions left unanswered by the time 35 mins is up, aka, i always have to rush the last passage i do.

i just suck at rc

Edit: dumb thing deleted my post.

Anywho. We need to figure out RC. Personally, I think -6 makes no sense when I'm averaging -3 to -5 between both LRs. Obviously, -13 escapes me. You can definitely do far better on RC. May help to do one untimed and write out your thought process so maybe others can help. Also, what happened on second LR? Ran out of time or just a harder section + a bad guess or two?

[Greenteachurro]

PT 54:

162

RC: -13
LR: -1
LG: -0
LR: -5

Felt fatigue in section 4 LR, didn't take a 15 min break. Felt really good about section 2 LR. LG was normal, kind of easy ones imo. RC, idk how to read so pardon my stupidity.

e: forgot to mention that i used the 7sage phone proctor thing

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RC seems to be the bane of your test existence, is it a timing issue?

Timing is a bit of an issue with RC, but even the passages/question I get through don't seem to all be right. fwiw, i usually always have like 3 questions left unanswered by the time 35 mins is up, aka, i always have to rush the last passage i do.

i just suck at rc

When I was first doing RC, I had a difficult time with the speed. Might want to try increasing how quickly your eye can read over text with this : http://spreeder.com/

[Greenteachurro]

Have folks used the LSAT - India PTS to supplement their routine? I've heard mixed reviews.

http://www.pearsonvueindia.com/lsatindi ... -test-prep

I'm taking the first one right now. Looks almost too easy. LG and RC questions have four answer choices instead of five.

I think the first one is just a redux of of the June 2007 PT with indianized names.

[34iplaw]

I wouldn't call myself an RC expert but I'm now PTing RC at a -1-0 range

howww

Well, that would make you absolutely perfect to help me! Haha.

TBH, general main point questions tend to get me and some of the general ones. Typically, any detail I missed I understand why.

I just finished the first 80ish pages in Manhattan RC (scale PEAR and such...dominated those reading for definition in context). I'll take some detailed notes on the next passages I do. If there's a particular PT you are familiar with or think is good for checking issues out, I'll look at those. I know in Sept that Eileen crushed me and I think I missed the last question but that was obviously nerves looking back at that one. Humanities in general are a bit of a weakness.

I'm not sure if it's something I read too close or try to pull more from the text than is there... I remember many moons ago I had that problem with the SAT verbal. I guess part of my issue is that (while I fully understand the LSAT is not the SAT) I feel like -6 on RC is not remotely okay given my general strength at reading/language/past scores on reading comprehension for standardized tests.

I moved from -6 to -3 over past couple of weeks and I found that doing a couple of passages untimed and really taking like 8-9 minutes to fully understand the passage helped a ton. Also I use the LSAT hacks method + Voyager, which is to read the passage twice and, then underline sentences I think are going to be the most important and definitions.

Okay. I'll have to give those a shot. Currently, I'm liking the manhattan RC. I honestly think my problem may just be applying myself consistently. When I first started studying, I would almost always -0 passages individually. -1s were occasional but -2 was almost unheard of for me. TBH, I may be overestimating the LSAT I think or need to embrace the uncertainty a bit more on RC. Is the first read relatively quick to just try to find key words/structure?

[Deardevil]

I think the first one is just a redux of of the June 2007 PT with indianized names.

Yeah, I went on to LR and seemed to recognize some questions... Disappointing.

[34iplaw]

Have folks used the LSAT - India PTS to supplement their routine? I've heard mixed reviews.

http://www.pearsonvueindia.com/lsatindi ... -test-prep

I'm taking the first one right now. Looks almost too easy. LG and RC questions have four answer choices instead of five.

I think the first one is just a redux of of the June 2007 PT with indianized names.

The games section is identical.

[dj9i27]

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