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Post by 20170322 » Sun Jun 19, 2016 8:36 pm

proteinshake wrote:
SweetTort wrote:
proteinshake wrote:
SweetTort wrote:
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SweetTort wrote:Anyone else considering doing a hotel the night before? More and more I think it may be worth the hundred bucks.
I am, my testing center is 2.5 hours away so I kinda have to.
Woof, that's rough.

Mine is only an hour away, but there's 2 reasons I'm worried.

1) I'm an RA, so there's a chance a resident comes banging on my door at 2am.
2) My school has a football game that day, so traffic may be rough.
I've already taken the LSAT at this testing center and it was amazing, so I thought it was worth it to just get a hotel room and take it there again.

if I were you, I'd just get the hotel room!

Ugh, still pissed I can't take it at my home university. I hear the testing site is dope as fuck. I have no idea about this new one, though it's at a TTT law school, so I'm guessing it can't be THAT bad.


And yeah, I may just drop the money on a hotel room. At the very least, it'd be a fun treat. I just need to find a way to sleep the night before.
there's a for-profit law school and some TTTT universities I can take the LSAT at in my hometown but I've heard terrible things about all of them. don't assume it's a good testing center just because it's a law school! that being said, you should be fine. have you tried looking for some reviews online?

Yeah, the reviews varied. I think the consensus is that it's a decent test site, albeit with small desks. I only bubble every 10 questions or so, though, so that shouldn't throw me off too much.

Also, it's the only one available to me at this point, and I'm not going to delay for a bigger desk. Gonna scope out the place once I find out where the specific room is.

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Post by mwells56 » Mon Jun 20, 2016 12:36 am

mwells56 wrote:So I took my first diagnostic (June 07) yesterday and got a 157. My goals are Cls/NYU or anywhere in the t14 so I'm trying to get at the very least a 168, but am striving for a 172+.

I'm currently abroad, and don't really have access to a great study space or a printer. I also don't have much room in my suitcases for [what I assume are] large LSAT practice books. So I was planning on starting my prep when I got home in late July and taking it in either December, February, or June. However, given how well I did on the diagnostic, I'm thinking about starting to study now and then taking it in September, getting it over with before the rest of my Junior year really kicks in (unless I need to retake).

The way I see it is like this: September and June are probably the best options as far as interfering with regular schoolwork goes, but if I don't take it in September I'd be more inclined to take it in December or February just to get it over with. I think my current approach is going to be to just sit on it for now and then when I get home, start PTing and see where I'm at before deciding to register. My worry is that if I don't take it in September, I'm going to push it off until June and will lose some motivation studying the damn thing for like 10 months.

Thoughts?
So I've done a little more research into testing materials, based on my situation that I laid out last week from above, how do you people feel about me starting off with 7sage?

I think my plan is going to be to buy their starter pack, and spend the next 8 weeks with their lessons and such (the official PTs don't start until after week 8, and I'm only abroad for another 5 weeks). Then when I finish their lessons/get home, purchase other books like the bibles and actually get the PTs. Also, I believe my old SAT/ACT tutor also tutors the LSAT. Guy was expensive as all hell but he was damn good. Use him/a different tutor from his testing service for about a month, and then go back to school last week of August, party for a week, and then go back to studying hardcore until test day.

I'm trying to make a 15+ point jump from my diagnostic, which I know is a reasonable goal for most people (on this site at least) but not necessarily in the time frame I have and not necessarily with the situation I'm currently in. What do you oh-so-mighty-and-knowledgeable-TLS-users think of this plan?

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Post by proteinshake » Mon Jun 20, 2016 12:54 am

Alexandros wrote:Bloody hell, I can't figure out where my testing center actually is for the life of me??? What even.

(LSAC says to follow the directions on the school website. Conveniently, my school's website didn't bother to supply this information, it seems? )
I don't think you can know your exact building until after you can print your ticket, unless you know through a third party.

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Post by Barack O'Drama » Mon Jun 20, 2016 1:03 am

mwells56 wrote:
mwells56 wrote:So I took my first diagnostic (June 07) yesterday and got a 157. My goals are Cls/NYU or anywhere in the t14 so I'm trying to get at the very least a 168, but am striving for a 172+.

I'm currently abroad, and don't really have access to a great study space or a printer. I also don't have much room in my suitcases for [what I assume are] large LSAT practice books. So I was planning on starting my prep when I got home in late July and taking it in either December, February, or June. However, given how well I did on the diagnostic, I'm thinking about starting to study now and then taking it in September, getting it over with before the rest of my Junior year really kicks in (unless I need to retake).

The way I see it is like this: September and June are probably the best options as far as interfering with regular schoolwork goes, but if I don't take it in September I'd be more inclined to take it in December or February just to get it over with. I think my current approach is going to be to just sit on it for now and then when I get home, start PTing and see where I'm at before deciding to register. My worry is that if I don't take it in September, I'm going to push it off until June and will lose some motivation studying the damn thing for like 10 months.

Thoughts?
So I've done a little more research into testing materials, based on my situation that I laid out last week from above, how do you people feel about me starting off with 7sage?

I think my plan is going to be to buy their starter pack, and spend the next 8 weeks with their lessons and such (the official PTs don't start until after week 8, and I'm only abroad for another 5 weeks). Then when I finish their lessons/get home, purchase other books like the bibles and actually get the PTs. Also, I believe my old SAT/ACT tutor also tutors the LSAT. Guy was expensive as all hell but he was damn good. Use him/a different tutor from his testing service for about a month, and then go back to school last week of August, party for a week, and then go back to studying hardcore until test day.

I'm trying to make a 15+ point jump from my diagnostic, which I know is a reasonable goal for most people (on this site at least) but not necessarily in the time frame I have and not necessarily with the situation I'm currently in. What do you oh-so-mighty-and-knowledgeable-TLS-users think of this plan?
I use 7Sage to review my LG and I love it! I have heard good things about their full program as well, but like any prep material the way people feel about it varies. Just make sure you give yourself the time you need to drill/PT and blind review. It may also help if you can read through the books as you go through the lessons. Also, if possible, to start drilling after every lesson. Then hopefully you can set the last month or so for just Pting/Blind review.

15 points is a big jump, but with intense prep and consistency it has been done many, many times. I'm hoping for the same thing :)

Also: Don't discount the idea of not applying until you have the LSAT you want/need to get into your school of choice. I am trying my hardest to get into the T14 and know I need a 170 to get my dream schools. So I have decided that I am going to retake until I get into my top choices. Worse case it takes another year, but if I'm going to be spend 3 years there and it is going to be the biggest factor in the job I can get with my degree, it is worth it!

Good luck :D
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Post by mwells56 » Mon Jun 20, 2016 1:34 am

Barack O'Drama wrote:
mwells56 wrote:
mwells56 wrote:So I took my first diagnostic (June 07) yesterday and got a 157. My goals are Cls/NYU or anywhere in the t14 so I'm trying to get at the very least a 168, but am striving for a 172+.

I'm currently abroad, and don't really have access to a great study space or a printer. I also don't have much room in my suitcases for [what I assume are] large LSAT practice books. So I was planning on starting my prep when I got home in late July and taking it in either December, February, or June. However, given how well I did on the diagnostic, I'm thinking about starting to study now and then taking it in September, getting it over with before the rest of my Junior year really kicks in (unless I need to retake).

The way I see it is like this: September and June are probably the best options as far as interfering with regular schoolwork goes, but if I don't take it in September I'd be more inclined to take it in December or February just to get it over with. I think my current approach is going to be to just sit on it for now and then when I get home, start PTing and see where I'm at before deciding to register. My worry is that if I don't take it in September, I'm going to push it off until June and will lose some motivation studying the damn thing for like 10 months.

Thoughts?
So I've done a little more research into testing materials, based on my situation that I laid out last week from above, how do you people feel about me starting off with 7sage?

I think my plan is going to be to buy their starter pack, and spend the next 8 weeks with their lessons and such (the official PTs don't start until after week 8, and I'm only abroad for another 5 weeks). Then when I finish their lessons/get home, purchase other books like the bibles and actually get the PTs. Also, I believe my old SAT/ACT tutor also tutors the LSAT. Guy was expensive as all hell but he was damn good. Use him/a different tutor from his testing service for about a month, and then go back to school last week of August, party for a week, and then go back to studying hardcore until test day.

I'm trying to make a 15+ point jump from my diagnostic, which I know is a reasonable goal for most people (on this site at least) but not necessarily in the time frame I have and not necessarily with the situation I'm currently in. What do you oh-so-mighty-and-knowledgeable-TLS-users think of this plan?
I use 7Sage to review my LG and I love it! I have heard good things about their full program as well, but like any prep material the way people feel about it varies. Just make sure you give yourself the time you need to drill/PT and blind review. It may also help if you can read through the books as you go through the lessons. Also, if possible, to start drilling after every lesson. Then hopefully you can set the last month or so for just Pting/Blind review.

15 points is a big jump, but with intense prep and consistency it has been done many, many times. I'm hoping for the same thing :)

Also: Don't discount the idea of not applying until you have the LSAT you want/need to get into your school of choice. I am trying my hardest to get into the T14 and know I need a 170 to get my dream schools. So I have decided that I am going to retake until I get into my top choices. Worse case it takes another year, but if I'm going to be spend 3 years there and it is going to be the biggest factor in the job I can get with my degree, it is worth it!

Good luck :D
Oh, I don't plan on applying this cycle. I'm just really impatient and don't want to wait until June haha. I want to get this off of my plate ASAP so I can just spend the next year worrying about maintaining/upping my GPA. But the December test is right around my finals season so I definitely wouldn't want to take it then, and I know people are wary of taking the Feb test because they don't release, so I just feel like if I push a little to take it in September it'd just be easier to get it out of the way.

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About to sit down for some games.

First game of the day is always the roughest to do / most frustrating to get into.

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34iplaw wrote:About to sit down for some games.

First game of the day is always the roughest to do / most frustrating to get into.

Good thing you know that. You should def have a game or two as part of your warmup before you PT.

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Post by Barack O'Drama » Mon Jun 20, 2016 10:21 am

Alexandros wrote:
proteinshake wrote:
Alexandros wrote:Bloody hell, I can't figure out where my testing center actually is for the life of me??? What even.

(LSAC says to follow the directions on the school website. Conveniently, my school's website didn't bother to supply this information, it seems? )
I don't think you can know your exact building until after you can print your ticket, unless you know through a third party.
Okay, phew! Thanks!

I had the same problem when I signed up a couple weeks back. I panicked and tried looking on my school-locations website. Then I realized it would probably be on the ticket, haha. This test is making me neurotic about everything :oops:
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Post by 34iplaw » Mon Jun 20, 2016 10:38 am

SweetTort wrote:
34iplaw wrote:About to sit down for some games.

First game of the day is always the roughest to do / most frustrating to get into.

Good thing you know that. You should def have a game or two as part of your warmup before you PT.
Yeah - for sure. I'm going to incorporate it to my next PT/Diagnostic with Testmasters. I just need to think whether it would be better for me to go through a game that is really easy but gets the juices flowing and won't hurt my confidence, or I should get a game that is a bit challenging that I work my way through [like what I did during breakfast today].

Just got back from having breakfast. Got a bagel & cream cheese. I sat there and worked through three complex ordering problems for the first time [PT22S3G2 (7/7); PT38S2G2(6/6); PT24S4G3(6*/7). *Stupid silly/lazy mistake. As I was eating breakfast, I didn't really time myself. I spent 40 minutes at most on the three while eating [how long I was there but would be too slow], but I'm starting to think my biggest weakness when I time games is that I am rushing through the set up rather than being very deliberate.

B/C I was eating, I would generally take my time but would have pretty developed setups...questions would go fairly quick *most* of the time, but, then again, newer complex ordering is supposedly not as always heavy on the front end.

Welp, onto more Difficulty three and four C/O in the cambridge packs.

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Post by Barack O'Drama » Mon Jun 20, 2016 10:45 am

34iplaw wrote:
SweetTort wrote:
34iplaw wrote:About to sit down for some games.

First game of the day is always the roughest to do / most frustrating to get into.

Good thing you know that. You should def have a game or two as part of your warmup before you PT.
Yeah - for sure. I'm going to incorporate it to my next PT/Diagnostic with Testmasters. I just need to think whether it would be better for me to go through a game that is really easy but gets the juices flowing and won't hurt my confidence, or I should get a game that is a bit challenging that I work my way through [like what I did during breakfast today].

Just got back from having breakfast. Got a bagel & cream cheese. I sat there and worked through three complex ordering problems for the first time [PT22S3G2 (7/7); PT38S2G2(6/6); PT24S4G3(6*/7). *Stupid silly/lazy mistake. As I was eating breakfast, I didn't really time myself. I spent 40 minutes at most on the three while eating [how long I was there but would be too slow], but I'm starting to think my biggest weakness when I time games is that I am rushing through the set up rather than being very deliberate.

B/C I was eating, I would generally take my time but would have pretty developed setups...questions would go fairly quick *most* of the time, but, then again, newer complex ordering is supposedly not as always heavy on the front end.

Welp, onto more Difficulty three and four C/O in the cambridge packs.
These are my plans for today as well. Relative ordering and more Advanced Ordering from the Cambridge packets. I'm going to do as many as I can and then watch some 7Sage videos to review my work/see if I missed any inferences. My goal is to get to grouping games sometime before the end of the week.
Good luck today!
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Just finished drilling a 5 game packet. 37 minutes, -0.

This is the first time I've been super excited for the LSAT. Like, even if I don't improve at all from now until September and just get my practice scores, it'd be life changing. I'm changing my goals-- 180 or bust. Gonna be lit.

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Post by Alexandros » Mon Jun 20, 2016 12:06 pm

SweetTort wrote:Just finished drilling a 5 game packet. 37 minutes, -0.

This is the first time I've been super excited for the LSAT. Like, even if I don't improve at all from now until September and just get my practice scores, it'd be life changing. I'm changing my goals-- 180 or bust. Gonna be lit.
HELL. YES.

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Post by Barack O'Drama » Mon Jun 20, 2016 12:10 pm

SweetTort wrote:Just finished drilling a 5 game packet. 37 minutes, -0.

This is the first time I've been super excited for the LSAT. Like, even if I don't improve at all from now until September and just get my practice scores, it'd be life changing. I'm changing my goals-- 180 or bust. Gonna be lit.
:lol: DAMN! Now thats motivation!

Good fucking job Sweet Tort. I would bet that within your next 3 PTs you'll hit a 180. And if that is possible, then why not on test day?
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SweetTort wrote:Just finished drilling a 5 game packet. 37 minutes, -0.

This is the first time I've been super excited for the LSAT. Like, even if I don't improve at all from now until September and just get my practice scores, it'd be life changing. I'm changing my goals-- 180 or bust. Gonna be lit.
:lol: DAMN! Now thats motivation!

Good fucking job Sweet Tort. I would bet that within your next 3 PTs you'll hit a 180. And if that is possible, then why not on test day?

Thanks!

I've noticed that my primary problem with RC isn't the hard questions, it's the identify questions, because I haven't been spending the time to reference the text. Hopefully I can get this fixed in the coming days.

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Alexandros wrote:
Barack O'Drama wrote:
Alexandros wrote:
proteinshake wrote:
Alexandros wrote:Bloody hell, I can't figure out where my testing center actually is for the life of me??? What even.

(LSAC says to follow the directions on the school website. Conveniently, my school's website didn't bother to supply this information, it seems? )
I don't think you can know your exact building until after you can print your ticket, unless you know through a third party.
Okay, phew! Thanks!

I had the same problem when I signed up a couple weeks back. I panicked and tried looking on my school-locations website. Then I realized it would probably be on the ticket, haha. This test is making me neurotic about everything :oops:
Ahhah I'm glad I'm not the only one.

I tried asking on reddit out of desperation and I've just managed to spawn an argument over whether or not my school's faculty of law requires the LSAT. /sigh

Looks like I might be in a room with tiny 'desks' though. Guess I'll just have to prep accordingly....
I guess you should do all of your prep work on this!

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Just finished doing every question in complex ordering in the packet at least once... going to watch some videos while I have lunch now...

Summary of today so far...

[2] PT36-S4-G4: 05:20 5/5
[2] PT05-S2-G4: 08:30 6/7 [*figure out why you can determine P/Q in climate]
[2] PT22-S4-G2: 00:00 7/7 [done while eating breakfast]
[2] PT30-S3-G4: 09:00 6/6
[2] PT38-S2-G2: 00:00 6/6 [done while eating breakfast]
[3] PT24-S4-G3: 00:00 5/6 [done while eating breakfast, missed #22, silly mistake...didn't trust myself]
[3] PT32-S3-G4: 12:00 5/6 [have to watch... don't really understand #22 not being C...took way too long...IIRC]
[3] PT02-S3-G4: 18:00 7/7 [have to watch... took way too long]
[3] PT23-S1-G4: 09:45 6/6 [going to watch... I dotted by 20 b/c I wasn't 100%]
[3] PT37-S3-G4: 12:30 6/6 [going to watch... took way more time than I needed since I was obsessed over something]
[4] PT30-S1-G3: 07:15 6/6 [7:15+3 min to prove #16... have seen elsewhere]
[4] PT38-S2-G4: 13:00 4/5 [13:00+#24... have to watch...which I just couldn't figure out and settled on D after wasting a few minutes]

Most times were definitely too slow, but I was OK with it. First time I've done 95% of these games, but, then again, the tests on the LSAT will always be the first time. I think an issue I need to improve on is cutting through the fat to what is at the crux of the issue. I feel like PT38-S2-G4 while, certainly challenging, is mostly an information overload.

A really precursory watch seems to indicate some of these games [i.e. PT02-S3-G4 may benefit from learning more about grouping and such...but I just think that game sort of overwhelmed me more than everything.]

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Alexandros wrote:
34iplaw wrote:
Alexandros wrote:
Barack O'Drama wrote:
Alexandros wrote:
proteinshake wrote:
Alexandros wrote:Bloody hell, I can't figure out where my testing center actually is for the life of me??? What even.

(LSAC says to follow the directions on the school website. Conveniently, my school's website didn't bother to supply this information, it seems? )
I don't think you can know your exact building until after you can print your ticket, unless you know through a third party.
Okay, phew! Thanks!

I had the same problem when I signed up a couple weeks back. I panicked and tried looking on my school-locations website. Then I realized it would probably be on the ticket, haha. This test is making me neurotic about everything :oops:
Ahhah I'm glad I'm not the only one.

I tried asking on reddit out of desperation and I've just managed to spawn an argument over whether or not my school's faculty of law requires the LSAT. /sigh

Looks like I might be in a room with tiny 'desks' though. Guess I'll just have to prep accordingly....
I guess you should do all of your prep work on this!

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Just finished doing every question in complex ordering in the packet at least once... going to watch some videos while I have lunch now...

Summary of today so far...

[2] PT36-S4-G4: 05:20 5/5
[2] PT05-S2-G4: 08:30 6/7 [*figure out why you can determine P/Q in climate]
[2] PT22-S4-G2: 00:00 7/7 [done while eating breakfast]
[2] PT30-S3-G4: 09:00 6/6
[2] PT38-S2-G2: 00:00 6/6 [done while eating breakfast]
[3] PT24-S4-G3: 00:00 5/6 [done while eating breakfast, missed #22, silly mistake...didn't trust myself]
[3] PT32-S3-G4: 12:00 5/6 [have to watch... don't really understand #22 not being C...took way too long...IIRC]
[3] PT02-S3-G4: 18:00 7/7 [have to watch... took way too long]
[3] PT23-S1-G4: 09:45 6/6 [going to watch... I dotted by 20 b/c I wasn't 100%]
[3] PT37-S3-G4: 12:30 6/6 [going to watch... took way more time than I needed since I was obsessed over something]
[4] PT30-S1-G3: 07:15 6/6 [7:15+3 min to prove #16... have seen elsewhere]
[4] PT38-S2-G4: 13:00 4/5 [13:00+#24... have to watch...which I just couldn't figure out and settled on D after wasting a few minutes]

Most times were definitely too slow, but I was OK with it. First time I've done 95% of these games, but, then again, the tests on the LSAT will always be the first time. I think an issue I need to improve on is cutting through the fat to what is at the crux of the issue. I feel like PT38-S2-G4 while, certainly challenging, is mostly an information overload.

A really precursory watch seems to indicate some of these games [i.e. PT02-S3-G4 may benefit from learning more about grouping and such...but I just think that game sort of overwhelmed me more than everything.]
Ordered! Will be hauling to the library with me from now on :wink:

Those times are looking really good! PT 38 G 4 is bizarre and pretty brutal if you don't know how to set it up.

The argument over my school's faculty of law's (which I'm not remotely considering) LSAT requirements is starting to get pretty violent. This is so typical...

Time to grab some lunch and watch some review videos of what I did this morning myself. Great job on those games! My time is terrible. Most take me at least 12 minutes, if not more. Must go faster!

And that desk is hilarious! Imagine brining that to the library to take practice tests with. Just LOL :mrgreen:
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Re: The Official September 2016 Study Group - STEADY GRINDN' (new pole)

Post by Doubting Law » Mon Jun 20, 2016 3:17 pm

I took my diagnostic on June 9th and got a 147. Since then I've focused entirely on LR. I just finished PT 52 with a composite score of 151. Has anyone else realized similar gains within the same time span?

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Re: The Official September 2016 Study Group - STEADY GRINDN' (new pole)

Post by 34iplaw » Mon Jun 20, 2016 3:39 pm

Doubting Law wrote:I took my diagnostic on June 9th and got a 147. Since then I've focused entirely on LR. I just finished PT 52 with a composite score of 151. Has anyone else realized similar gains within the same time span?
One thing to keep in mind is noise. On the minus side, your gain could actually be much smaller. On the plus side, your gain could actually be much greater... i.e. your 147 could have been a 144 or 150 and your 151 could be a 148 or a 154. The +/- 3 is something somewhat arbitrary that I picked. Basically, I wouldn't put much stock into *one* section.

Generally speaking, it is easiest to improve your score in LG, followed by LR, followed by RC. You should provide your section breakdown so others can help advise / relate - i.e. LG [-10]; LR1 [-6]; LR2 [-12]; RC [-7] or whatever the breakdown may be. Either way, I would think that +4 on your overall score from just LR is probably pretty good for less than two weeks if it is actually that and not noise. You should be able to see faster gains in LG, but slower gains in RC.

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Re: The Official September 2016 Study Group - STEADY GRINDN' (new pole)

Post by Doubting Law » Mon Jun 20, 2016 5:24 pm

34iplaw wrote:
Doubting Law wrote:I took my diagnostic on June 9th and got a 147. Since then I've focused entirely on LR. I just finished PT 52 with a composite score of 151. Has anyone else realized similar gains within the same time span?
One thing to keep in mind is noise. On the minus side, your gain could actually be much smaller. On the plus side, your gain could actually be much greater... i.e. your 147 could have been a 144 or 150 and your 151 could be a 148 or a 154. The +/- 3 is something somewhat arbitrary that I picked. Basically, I wouldn't put much stock into *one* section.

Generally speaking, it is easiest to improve your score in LG, followed by LR, followed by RC. You should provide your section breakdown so others can help advise / relate - i.e. LG [-10]; LR1 [-6]; LR2 [-12]; RC [-7] or whatever the breakdown may be. Either way, I would think that +4 on your overall score from just LR is probably pretty good for less than two weeks if it is actually that and not noise. You should be able to see faster gains in LG, but slower gains in RC.
I went -8 on both LR sections, -7 on RC, and randomly guessed/bubbled-answers for LG (-17).

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Re: The Official September 2016 Study Group - STEADY GRINDN' (new pole)

Post by 34iplaw » Mon Jun 20, 2016 5:53 pm

Doubting Law wrote:
34iplaw wrote:
Doubting Law wrote:I took my diagnostic on June 9th and got a 147. Since then I've focused entirely on LR. I just finished PT 52 with a composite score of 151. Has anyone else realized similar gains within the same time span?
One thing to keep in mind is noise. On the minus side, your gain could actually be much smaller. On the plus side, your gain could actually be much greater... i.e. your 147 could have been a 144 or 150 and your 151 could be a 148 or a 154. The +/- 3 is something somewhat arbitrary that I picked. Basically, I wouldn't put much stock into *one* section.

Generally speaking, it is easiest to improve your score in LG, followed by LR, followed by RC. You should provide your section breakdown so others can help advise / relate - i.e. LG [-10]; LR1 [-6]; LR2 [-12]; RC [-7] or whatever the breakdown may be. Either way, I would think that +4 on your overall score from just LR is probably pretty good for less than two weeks if it is actually that and not noise. You should be able to see faster gains in LG, but slower gains in RC.
I went -8 on both LR sections, -7 on RC, and randomly guessed/bubbled-answers for LG (-17).
Oh, you have YUUUUUGEEE room for improvement. That's really not a bad place to be starting. You definitely have your work cut out for you, but you could easily see a 15-18+++ point improvement on your LSAT if you put in the work. You'll probably need a bit of a larger sample set for LR/RC to really know where you stand. Two tests is hard to know. I did 167 [untimed first time], 163 [timed diagnostic after a good amount of baseline prep and one sect of LG], but I need more samples. I did terrible on the experimental RC in my timed diagnostic, and, apparently, that section was used in a later test. I'm not sure if some passages/questions were swapped or not though.
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Re: The Official September 2016 Study Group - STEADY GRINDN' (new pole)

Post by Barack O'Drama » Mon Jun 20, 2016 5:54 pm

Doubting Law wrote:
34iplaw wrote:
Doubting Law wrote:I took my diagnostic on June 9th and got a 147. Since then I've focused entirely on LR. I just finished PT 52 with a composite score of 151. Has anyone else realized similar gains within the same time span?
One thing to keep in mind is noise. On the minus side, your gain could actually be much smaller. On the plus side, your gain could actually be much greater... i.e. your 147 could have been a 144 or 150 and your 151 could be a 148 or a 154. The +/- 3 is something somewhat arbitrary that I picked. Basically, I wouldn't put much stock into *one* section.

Generally speaking, it is easiest to improve your score in LG, followed by LR, followed by RC. You should provide your section breakdown so others can help advise / relate - i.e. LG [-10]; LR1 [-6]; LR2 [-12]; RC [-7] or whatever the breakdown may be. Either way, I would think that +4 on your overall score from just LR is probably pretty good for less than two weeks if it is actually that and not noise. You should be able to see faster gains in LG, but slower gains in RC.
I went -8 on both LR sections, -7 on RC, and randomly guessed/bubbled-answers for LG (-17).
Yeah, IPLaw speaks the truth! I started my prep about a month ago, and my diagnostic was a 151. (Same problem had to guess on more than half of the LG section; my breakdown was something like: LR -9 LR -8 LG-16 RC-8) I quickly went through the LSAT Trainer and got my LR score down from -9 to -5 in about a month. Now I'm focusing on LG and I think my next PT should put me in the high 150s. I think you would do yourself some good just focusing on LGs until you have those down, then LR, and lastly RC.
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