The Official June 2016 Study Group Forum

[sephora_addict]

Currently working on some RC passages. Would rather watch the Superbowl but I can hear the TV from my room so lol.. I should be good. How's everyone's studying going? I'm kicking butt in LG but noticed that I need to review MBT questions all over again. cannot wait til the June test. Want to be done with everything LSAT and give myself a nice, long break and take a vacation to wherever the hell I want.

[sephora_addict]

How's everyone's studying going? I'm excited to say that flaw questions are my bitch now . Yet, it's unfortunate that I'm not progressing with LR must be true questions

I have the same issue with MBT questions which is why I will be reviewing the section again sometime this week.

[Mikey]

How's everyone's studying going? I'm excited to say that flaw questions are my bitch now . Yet, it's unfortunate that I'm not progressing with LR must be true questions

I have the same issue with MBT questions which is why I will be reviewing the section again sometime this week.

Argh, I feel ya. I've done nothing but LG this weekend and tomorrow I'm gonna get back to LR. The tougher grouping games are still kicking my ass though haha.

[appind]

how are retakers prepping for this go?

[hj999]

.

[New_Spice180]

Hey everyone,

I'm new to this blog, but I wanted a bit of advice since I'll be taking the June 2016 as well! Is there anyone using pithy pike's method, using the Lsatblog schedule/planning? If so, what is your experience with these (or any) methods that you've been using so far I plan on starting tomorrow, but I'm trying to get all my eggs into a basket before I go all out! Thanks and good luck prepping!

[Borderlander]

--

[audaz]

Hey y'all. Wanted some quick advice.

Here's some background: I'm retaking and trying to figure out how to proceed. The first time around I studied fairly consistently for 3 months, but plateaued around the mid 160s. I used the LSAT Trainer, and LR and RC Bibles. I didn't get around to using the LG Bible which is probably the reason game 3 absolutely destroyed me.

Where I'm at now: I have some 1-28 PTs, plan to purchase the 40s, and just a couple of the 60s left for timed tests plus February's exam once it comes out. I'm not sure where to go from just taking more PTs and have thought seriously about signing up for a course with 7Sage and joining Lawschooli's study group for some extra support and to have people to discuss particularly difficult questions with.

Does anyone have any experience with either of these and would be willing to share your thoughts? I'm especially interested how beneficial it would be for a retaker who has already read the PowerScore Bibles and LSAT Trainer.

Thanks!

Just a heads up February's administration is nondisclosed, so it will never be available to practice with.

I am in a similar situation where I have previously taken the LSAT so I've already gone through a lot of my study materials. Something I found really helpful is that cambridgelsat.com sells PDF versions of all of the Preptests so you can purchase individual ones you struggled with or want additional practice with and since they are PDF you can print them over and over again, if you want to test them more than once (like spaced throughout your studies.. you may remember some of the questions from previously taking them, but I found this really helpful for testing skills learned (like instead of just remembering the answer for a random question was A, I would force myself to recall the logic that led to answer A being correct).

[CPAlawHopefu]

Hey y'all. Wanted some quick advice.

Here's some background: I'm retaking and trying to figure out how to proceed. The first time around I studied fairly consistently for 3 months, but plateaued around the mid 160s. I used the LSAT Trainer, and LR and RC Bibles. I didn't get around to using the LG Bible which is probably the reason game 3 absolutely destroyed me.

Where I'm at now: I have some 1-28 PTs, plan to purchase the 40s, and just a couple of the 60s left for timed tests plus February's exam once it comes out. I'm not sure where to go from just taking more PTs and have thought seriously about signing up for a course with 7Sage and joining Lawschooli's study group for some extra support and to have people to discuss particularly difficult questions with.

Does anyone have any experience with either of these and would be willing to share your thoughts? I'm especially interested how beneficial it would be for a retaker who has already read the PowerScore Bibles and LSAT Trainer.

Thanks!

Do you blind review the PTs prior to scoring them? How does that number compare to your timed run? I'd say that is a good starting point for you as a retaker to find out what exactly is causing the plateau.

If your blind review score does not deviate much from the timed run, then that means you really do not understand the problem, which could be an indication of lacking foundation. If this is the case for you, you have two choices - 1) Take the Prepcourse, or. 2) (what I would personally recommend) go through your books again, primarily focusing on areas that you struggle the most, drill repeatedly, and review 7Sage videos (for LG) and Manhattan Forum (for LR and RC). I have many of the best prepbooks out in the market (All three Bibles, Manhattan LR/RC, LSAT Trainer) but it's the 7sage videos and Manhattan forum that really helped solidify the concepts.

However, If your blind review score is much higher than your timed run that you are able to achieve 170+ with unlimited amount of time, then it means you already have a good foundation of the materials (you already know how to get to the right answer, it's just a matter of learning to control your pace without rushing). If this is the case, then no particular Prepcourse (i.e. 7sage) will help you significantly because most prepcourses are geared towards first time takers who need a solid foundation building (this means going back to learning about Basic Linear Games and Negation Tests), and you will find yourself wasting tons of hours on materials that you already know. The best thing you should be doing is to drill problems to familiarize yourself train your brain to work the problems more efficiently (faster yet accurate). No prep course teaches you how to do this.

[Pozzo]

.

[MAPP]

However, If your blind review score is much higher than your timed run that you are able to achieve 170+ with unlimited amount of time, then it means you already have a good foundation of the materials (you already know how to get to the right answer, it's just a matter of learning to control your pace without rushing). If this is the case, then no particular Prepcourse (i.e. 7sage) will help you significantly because most prepcourses are geared towards first time takers who need a solid foundation building (this means going back to learning about Basic Linear Games and Negation Tests), and you will find yourself wasting tons of hours on materials that you already know. The best thing you should be doing is to drill problems to familiarize yourself train your brain to work the problems more efficiently (faster yet accurate). No prep course teaches you how to do this.

Wow, well said sir!

[ngogirl12]

.

[Borderlander]

--

[CPAlawHopefu]

Hey y'all. Wanted some quick advice.

Here's some background: I'm retaking and trying to figure out how to proceed. The first time around I studied fairly consistently for 3 months, but plateaued around the mid 160s. I used the LSAT Trainer, and LR and RC Bibles. I didn't get around to using the LG Bible which is probably the reason game 3 absolutely destroyed me.

Where I'm at now: I have some 1-28 PTs, plan to purchase the 40s, and just a couple of the 60s left for timed tests plus February's exam once it comes out. I'm not sure where to go from just taking more PTs and have thought seriously about signing up for a course with 7Sage and joining Lawschooli's study group for some extra support and to have people to discuss particularly difficult questions with.

Does anyone have any experience with either of these and would be willing to share your thoughts? I'm especially interested how beneficial it would be for a retaker who has already read the PowerScore Bibles and LSAT Trainer.

Thanks!

Do you blind review the PTs prior to scoring them? How does that number compare to your timed run? I'd say that is a good starting point for you as a retaker to find out what exactly is causing the plateau.

If your blind review score does not deviate much from the timed run, then that means you really do not understand the problem, which could be an indication of lacking foundation. If this is the case for you, you have two choices - 1) Take the Prepcourse, or. 2) (what I would personally recommend) go through your books again, primarily focusing on areas that you struggle the most, drill repeatedly, and review 7Sage videos (for LG) and Manhattan Forum (for LR and RC). I have many of the best prepbooks out in the market (All three Bibles, Manhattan LR/RC, LSAT Trainer) but it's the 7sage videos and Manhattan forum that really helped solidify the concepts.

However, If your blind review score is much higher than your timed run that you are able to achieve 170+ with unlimited amount of time, then it means you already have a good foundation of the materials (you already know how to get to the right answer, it's just a matter of learning to control your pace without rushing). If this is the case, then no particular Prepcourse (i.e. 7sage) will help you significantly because most prepcourses are geared towards first time takers who need a solid foundation building (this means going back to learning about Basic Linear Games and Negation Tests), and you will find yourself wasting tons of hours on materials that you already know. The best thing you should be doing is to drill problems to familiarize yourself train your brain to work the problems more efficiently (faster yet accurate). No prep course teaches you how to do this.

Thanks so much for this! Based on the last month of PTs I took, my situation is more like the second one so I think I will read the LG Bible since I had not already and return to any chapters/sections I didn't understand the first go around based on PTs.

How many timed PTs are retakers doing per week with blind review? I had been doing three with drill work in between and one day off, but I'm not sure if this was too little or too much. Also, are PTs 7-18 and 19-28 worth doing? Or should I just purchase 39-51 (I used up almost all of 52-77 and want to use the 6 or so I have left closer to the test date). Thanks again for the help!

I am a retaker as well and for now I only take 1 full PT a week. If I wasn't working full time, I'd be doing more. This number will go up to 3/week starting April.

Yes, definitely purchase 39-51. The only thing different in those sets is the absence of the comparative reading passage, but everything else is the same. Also, I'd like to point out (as I have done in other threads) that reusing old PTs is not much of an issue. Unless you have been reviewing those PTs every week, you will have a very hard time remembering the correct answer (I went through every PT twice from 39-75 since 6 months ago, and still have a hard time remembering the answer). And even if you do, you will still have to go through the problem solving processes to come to that answer.

[sephora_addict]

Random thought.. but I'm annoyed that TLS has yet to make a way that we can just tag each other in posts with the @ symbol without having to quote reply each other. I have nothing better to do than complain right now

[unachievabledoubt]

Hi all, beginning my studying in earnest after dinking around for a while. Curious what others think of this plan. First time taker. Aiming for 175+. I did a timed diagnostic at a 171 about a year ago, no studying since. I finally did another timed 4 section test Saturday, and scored 167, 170 after BR. Planning on doing a 5 section timed PT each week with Blind Review. Then thinking about piecing out a PT to do one section a day during the week. I've read a couple places on here that if you're at or around the 170 threshold for a diagnostic, then there's not much to gain from the books and that BR is the best strategy to focus on areas of weakness. Any thoughts on this? Anyone starting from a similar position? What's your strategy?

Hi, I'm in a similar situation. I try to do 2 PTs/week and my average timed score is 167, 177+ after blind review. I use the 7sage analytics resource to figure out what question types I'm struggling with and then review the questions that I got wrong after blind review, but I find that most of my mistakes are careless mistakes and not logic mistakes, so I'm trying to just focus better and be faster in all sections. I have all of the Powerscore bibles and workbooks and felt like they were only marginally helpful, and I wouldn't recommend them to someone who already understands the LSAT logic.

Using the 7sage analytics is, in my opinion, a great strategy for identifying weak areas, and doing PTs is the best way to improve. I also use the 7sage scorer to find out what questions I got wrong without looking at the correct answer, so I can go back and try to figure out the right answer on my own.

I'm not sure what PTs you plan on using, but if you only plan on using some of them, I really recommend using newer ones and avoiding the older tests. I feel like the LSAT writers in the 90's didn't know they were allowed to use commas and it makes for some seriously confusing stimuli.

Anyways - good luck!

[20170322]

Does anyone know what the deal is with the photo? Like, do we now need to bring a photo printed on photo paper anymore, or just our ticket? And does the ticket need to be on photo paper?

[Pozzo]

.

[CPAlawHopefu]

Does anyone know what the deal is with the photo? Like, do we now need to bring a photo printed on photo paper anymore, or just our ticket? And does the ticket need to be on photo paper?

It's the same, just bring your ticket and a separate printed photo that you uploaded for registration.

[audaz]

Does anyone know what the deal is with the photo? Like, do we now need to bring a photo printed on photo paper anymore, or just our ticket? And does the ticket need to be on photo paper?

It's the same, just bring your ticket and a separate printed photo that you uploaded for registration.

According to LSAC the June 2016 administration will begin a new era for photo requirements. The photos will now need to be uploaded to the LSAC account and from there printed out already on your LSAT admission ticket (instead of taping the picture to your ticket).
http://www.lsac.org/jd/lsat/day-of-test ... quirements

[kimbale]

Coming out of hiding and introducing myself. I've been casually studying for about a month now and am starting to really dive in and go full-on studying. I'm a non-traditional student and have been in the work force for around 7 years as a PR and Government Affairs professional. I work full time, so am devoting my nights and weekends to study.

I will be starting a PowerScore live course in March that will go to mid-May and will also be heavily studying on my own. My initial diagnostic PT was pretty revealing in that I am very strong in LR and RC, but need a whole lot of help with LG.

I'm diving into the LG Bible now with a focus on strengthening that section while doing a PT every week to better manage time on all sections. I plan to up my weekly PT count as I get through the Bibles and start the live course and after completion of the course do 3-4 PTs a week until test day.

Here's to keeping to the plan! Good luck, all!

[Maximus717]

Hello Everyone

I am a college senior, took the Dec LSAT. Barely studied and I paid the price with a 144. I'm taking the test again in June but I wanted some help as to what tutors I should probably go with or what books I should use to study. Not against self studying again this time around but only using the super prep book definitely wont cut it. Last time around I was taking 6 classes and working just about full time. This time around I'm taking 4 classes and I've cleared off my weekends.

Just looking for a push in the right directions!

Thanks

[Maximus717]

Also thinking about getting the 7sage online prep course

[CicBob17]

Hello Everyone

I am a college senior, took the Dec LSAT. Barely studied and I paid the price with a 144. I'm taking the test again in June but I wanted some help as to what tutors I should probably go with or what books I should use to study. Not against self studying again this time around but only using the super prep book definitely wont cut it. Last time around I was taking 6 classes and working just about full time. This time around I'm taking 4 classes and I've cleared off my weekends.

Just looking for a push in the right directions!

Thanks

LG bible

[kimbale]

Hey, Maximus! I'm still on the front end of studying and June will be my first go at the LSAT, so take my advice with a grain of salt as I will mostly be repeating what I read. I put a good amount of research into the right study materials for me considering my habits and abilities. I have a full-time career and am not a student, so again 'grain of salt.'

It really seems to depend on your study habits. Are you a good test taker who has the willpower to section out major study time? If so, then you'd probably do fine with a well thought out self-study program. The PowerScore Bibles seem to be pretty unanimously agreed upon as some of the best books available, primarily the LG Bible. Also, LSAC's Super Prep books are good from-the-source material and provide decent PTs to cut your teeth on. The great thing about LSAC's Super Prep books are that they provide explanations for all the test questions. Sounds like you worked your way through the first one so maybe go grab the second and a few "10 Actual LSAT Tests" books. I've read that you want to at least do 10 PTs before taking the test, and I myself am aiming for 30+, so I'm feeling good with self-study PS Bibles, Super Preps and 10 Actual books.

I am also taking a live course, but that's because with a demanding job I have a premium on free time and want to make the most of it and know that with the way I learn, a live course is a good investment for me. I'm doing PowerScore because I don't want to deviate from the techniques I will be learning in the Bibles. I've heard 7sage, Blueprint and Manhattan are also great courses.

For any type of live teaching, courses or tutors, ask to speak with the instructor before paying any money. Also ask to call former students for referrals. The big thing to keep in mind is just because someone scored in the top percentile doesn't mean they're good at showing other people how to do it, so talk to former students and get their opinions.

Like I said, it really seems to come down to your study habits and learning styles. This is just what I'm doing and using, but what may work for you could be different. Read reviews on the study materials and see if the reviews jive with your habits.