The Official September 2016 Study Group - WAKE ME UP WHEN SEPTEMBER ENDS Forum

[20170322]

I think Yale prefers w/e, but it can be overcome, especially with your amazing numbers. You're completely on track to kill that LSAT, so just figure a 4.3 and a 174+; very competitive anyway you slice or dice it. All schools seems to prefer work experience, but with your numbers I don't think that's going to be a problem. I know Yale usually requires extraordinary softs, but if you can manage to get an LSAT at or above their 75% you should be sitting pretty. I have a 3.9 and hoping to get a damn 170+ and have a shot at H, Columbia, NYU. Those are my top picks. But I have been working for a year since I graduated last May, and it is nothing that great. My softs are average at best. However, I'm glad I dedicated my time to getting good grades. I think the numbers will ultimately be more important than a couple extra clubs and internships I could have done. I'm really, really trying to get into Harvard.

Where is your top pick(s) SweetTort?

Yeah, fingers crossed! Are you an URM? Because with a 3.9/170+/URM, you'd be a prize jewel for any law school.


My hope is to go to a t14, preferably UVA, on a full ride. If this isn't possible, then Harvard at sticker works. Debt scares me, but doing that would also make a public defender/federal government route more practical, due to LIPP.

ETA, grammar.

[Barack O'Drama]

I think Yale prefers w/e, but it can be overcome, especially with your amazing numbers. You're completely on track to kill that LSAT, so just figure a 4.3 and a 174+; very competitive anyway you slice or dice it. All schools seems to prefer work experience, but with your numbers I don't think that's going to be a problem. I know Yale usually requires extraordinary softs, but if you can manage to get an LSAT at or above their 75% you should be sitting pretty. I have a 3.9 and hoping to get a damn 170+ and have a shot at H, Columbia, NYU. Those are my top picks. But I have been working for a year since I graduated last May, and it is nothing that great. My softs are average at best. However, I'm glad I dedicated my time to getting good grades. I think the numbers will ultimately be more important than a couple extra clubs and internships I could have done. I'm really, really trying to get into Harvard.

Where is your top pick(s) SweetTort?

Yeah, fingers crossed! Are you an URM? Because with a 3.9/170+/URM, you'd be a prize jewel for any law school.


My hope is to go to a t14, preferably UVA, on a full ride. If this isn't possible, than Harvard at sticker works. Debt scares me, but doing that would also make a public defender/federal government route more practical, due to LIPP.

Yeah, AA URM. I am hoping that is how it turns out, with a 170+, I should be able to get H, at least if you run the numbers on LSN. Problem being the sample size of AA URMs with a 3.8-3.9 is literally 1-2 people on LSN. Thus it is hard to get a good read on what I'll need. I kind of have just been ignoring the URM boost and pretending it doesn't exist in hopes of staving off any complacency during my prep. My only problem is that I am just not doing well with this test--at least that's how it feels, haha. I do believe I am capable of a 170, it is just going to take 5 hours a day for the next 3 months to get there. If not, I will retake in December. My mind is so geared for college where I just read books, write papers, and cram for essay-based tests. So this test is a big paradigm shift for my brain. I'm a month in and feel like I've made some significant progress though. Almost been on logic games a week and and a half and I have certainly made progress. I guess it is just a matter of drilling, drilling, and drilling some more. Hopefully by this time next month I'll be able to plow through most of them no problem... Once I get my games down to -0/-3 I will be able to start climbing up the 160s (I hope) I am currently missing about ~5 on each LR section and ~7 on RC. But I haven't really started studying those in earnest just yet.

UVA is awesome! My girlfriend's sister lives 15 minutes away, and the school is just the epitome of what you think a law school in the south should look like. I would be shocked if you didn't secure a full ride with your sexy stats! The Dillard is yours for the taking!

[20170322]

I think Yale prefers w/e, but it can be overcome, especially with your amazing numbers. You're completely on track to kill that LSAT, so just figure a 4.3 and a 174+; very competitive anyway you slice or dice it. All schools seems to prefer work experience, but with your numbers I don't think that's going to be a problem. I know Yale usually requires extraordinary softs, but if you can manage to get an LSAT at or above their 75% you should be sitting pretty. I have a 3.9 and hoping to get a damn 170+ and have a shot at H, Columbia, NYU. Those are my top picks. But I have been working for a year since I graduated last May, and it is nothing that great. My softs are average at best. However, I'm glad I dedicated my time to getting good grades. I think the numbers will ultimately be more important than a couple extra clubs and internships I could have done. I'm really, really trying to get into Harvard.

Where is your top pick(s) SweetTort?

Yeah, fingers crossed! Are you an URM? Because with a 3.9/170+/URM, you'd be a prize jewel for any law school.


My hope is to go to a t14, preferably UVA, on a full ride. If this isn't possible, than Harvard at sticker works. Debt scares me, but doing that would also make a public defender/federal government route more practical, due to LIPP.

Yeah, AA URM. I am hoping that is how it turns out, with a 170+, I should be able to get H, at least if you run the numbers on LSN. Problem being the sample size of AA URMs with a 3.8-3.9 is literally 1-2 people on LSN. Thus it is hard to get a good read on what I'll need. I kind of have just been ignoring the URM boost and pretending it doesn't exist in hopes of staving off any complacency during my prep. My only problem is that I am just not doing well with this test--at least that's how it feels, haha. I do believe I am capable of a 170, it is just going to take 5 hours a day for the next 3 months to get there. If not, I will retake in December. My mind is so geared for college where I just read books, write papers, and cram for essay-based tests. So this test is a big paradigm shift for my brain. I'm a month in and feel like I've made some significant progress though. Almost been on logic games a week and and a half and I have certainly made progress. I guess it is just a matter of drilling, drilling, and drilling some more. Hopefully by this time next month I'll be able to plow through most of them no problem... Once I get my games down to -0/-3 I will be able to start climbing up the 160s (I hope) I am currently missing about ~5 on each LR section and ~7 on RC. But I haven't really started studying those in earnest just yet.

UVA is awesome! My girlfriend's sister lives 15 minutes away, and the school is just the epitome of what you think a law school in the south should look like. I would be shocked if you didn't secure a full ride with your sexy stats! The Dillard is yours for the taking!

Haha, you're too kind.

If you want to be study buddies this summer, feel free to PM me. Idk if I'd be any help, but I went from -8 on LG to around -0, so at the very least I can provide motivation. haha

[Barack O'Drama]

I think Yale prefers w/e, but it can be overcome, especially with your amazing numbers. You're completely on track to kill that LSAT, so just figure a 4.3 and a 174+; very competitive anyway you slice or dice it. All schools seems to prefer work experience, but with your numbers I don't think that's going to be a problem. I know Yale usually requires extraordinary softs, but if you can manage to get an LSAT at or above their 75% you should be sitting pretty. I have a 3.9 and hoping to get a damn 170+ and have a shot at H, Columbia, NYU. Those are my top picks. But I have been working for a year since I graduated last May, and it is nothing that great. My softs are average at best. However, I'm glad I dedicated my time to getting good grades. I think the numbers will ultimately be more important than a couple extra clubs and internships I could have done. I'm really, really trying to get into Harvard.

Where is your top pick(s) SweetTort?

Yeah, fingers crossed! Are you an URM? Because with a 3.9/170+/URM, you'd be a prize jewel for any law school.


My hope is to go to a t14, preferably UVA, on a full ride. If this isn't possible, than Harvard at sticker works. Debt scares me, but doing that would also make a public defender/federal government route more practical, due to LIPP.

Yeah, AA URM. I am hoping that is how it turns out, with a 170+, I should be able to get H, at least if you run the numbers on LSN. Problem being the sample size of AA URMs with a 3.8-3.9 is literally 1-2 people on LSN. Thus it is hard to get a good read on what I'll need. I kind of have just been ignoring the URM boost and pretending it doesn't exist in hopes of staving off any complacency during my prep. My only problem is that I am just not doing well with this test--at least that's how it feels, haha. I do believe I am capable of a 170, it is just going to take 5 hours a day for the next 3 months to get there. If not, I will retake in December. My mind is so geared for college where I just read books, write papers, and cram for essay-based tests. So this test is a big paradigm shift for my brain. I'm a month in and feel like I've made some significant progress though. Almost been on logic games a week and and a half and I have certainly made progress. I guess it is just a matter of drilling, drilling, and drilling some more. Hopefully by this time next month I'll be able to plow through most of them no problem... Once I get my games down to -0/-3 I will be able to start climbing up the 160s (I hope) I am currently missing about ~5 on each LR section and ~7 on RC. But I haven't really started studying those in earnest just yet.

UVA is awesome! My girlfriend's sister lives 15 minutes away, and the school is just the epitome of what you think a law school in the south should look like. I would be shocked if you didn't secure a full ride with your sexy stats! The Dillard is yours for the taking!

Haha, you're too kind.

If you want to be study buddies this summer, feel free to PM me. Idk if I'd be any help, but I went from -8 on LG to around -0, so at the very least I can provide motivation. haha

Thank you so much SweetTort! That's a big jump...I appreciate it and am sure I will need some assistance sooner than later. haha

[20170322]

I think Yale prefers w/e, but it can be overcome, especially with your amazing numbers. You're completely on track to kill that LSAT, so just figure a 4.3 and a 174+; very competitive anyway you slice or dice it. All schools seems to prefer work experience, but with your numbers I don't think that's going to be a problem. I know Yale usually requires extraordinary softs, but if you can manage to get an LSAT at or above their 75% you should be sitting pretty. I have a 3.9 and hoping to get a damn 170+ and have a shot at H, Columbia, NYU. Those are my top picks. But I have been working for a year since I graduated last May, and it is nothing that great. My softs are average at best. However, I'm glad I dedicated my time to getting good grades. I think the numbers will ultimately be more important than a couple extra clubs and internships I could have done. I'm really, really trying to get into Harvard.

Where is your top pick(s) SweetTort?

Yeah, fingers crossed! Are you an URM? Because with a 3.9/170+/URM, you'd be a prize jewel for any law school.


My hope is to go to a t14, preferably UVA, on a full ride. If this isn't possible, than Harvard at sticker works. Debt scares me, but doing that would also make a public defender/federal government route more practical, due to LIPP.

Yeah, AA URM. I am hoping that is how it turns out, with a 170+, I should be able to get H, at least if you run the numbers on LSN. Problem being the sample size of AA URMs with a 3.8-3.9 is literally 1-2 people on LSN. Thus it is hard to get a good read on what I'll need. I kind of have just been ignoring the URM boost and pretending it doesn't exist in hopes of staving off any complacency during my prep. My only problem is that I am just not doing well with this test--at least that's how it feels, haha. I do believe I am capable of a 170, it is just going to take 5 hours a day for the next 3 months to get there. If not, I will retake in December. My mind is so geared for college where I just read books, write papers, and cram for essay-based tests. So this test is a big paradigm shift for my brain. I'm a month in and feel like I've made some significant progress though. Almost been on logic games a week and and a half and I have certainly made progress. I guess it is just a matter of drilling, drilling, and drilling some more. Hopefully by this time next month I'll be able to plow through most of them no problem... Once I get my games down to -0/-3 I will be able to start climbing up the 160s (I hope) I am currently missing about ~5 on each LR section and ~7 on RC. But I haven't really started studying those in earnest just yet.

UVA is awesome! My girlfriend's sister lives 15 minutes away, and the school is just the epitome of what you think a law school in the south should look like. I would be shocked if you didn't secure a full ride with your sexy stats! The Dillard is yours for the taking!

Haha, you're too kind.

If you want to be study buddies this summer, feel free to PM me. Idk if I'd be any help, but I went from -8 on LG to around -0, so at the very least I can provide motivation. haha

Thank you so much SweetTort! That's a big jump...I appreciate it and am sure I will need some assistance sooner than later. haha

On that note, I'm gonna go take my PT for the week. Hopefully it goes like the last one.

[Pozzo]

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[Archer@Law]

Well, I will finally be getting around to my first full length PT tomorrow. I suppose you could call this a lukewarm diagnostic. I've been putting it off for too long.

[34iplaw]

Well, I will finally be getting around to my first full length PT tomorrow. I suppose you could call this a lukewarm diagnostic. I've been putting it off for too long.

Same. Starting testmasters and that will be my baseline. My current plan is to go through with the class, and I will focus on games on my own and/or reinforce anything that I find challenging.

[Archer@Law]

Well, I will finally be getting around to my first full length PT tomorrow. I suppose you could call this a lukewarm diagnostic. I've been putting it off for too long.

Same. Starting testmasters and that will be my baseline. My current plan is to go through with the class, and I will focus on games on my own and/or reinforce anything that I find challenging.

Good luck. Hopefully neither of our experiences are too shameful. I can just imagine seeing my score and then slinking off into a cave for a couple centuries like Gollum.

[PhiladelphiaCollins]

Pulled a 165 on PT 60 today which felt great considering it's my first PT since my diagnostic. I think I took this one a year ago but whatever not that concerned. Biggest thing for me right now is getting my timing up because I had to randomly bubble 'D' for the last 2 on at least 2 sections.

On an unrelated note, I just had an interview over the phone for a full-time sales position, with the in person interview coming up Monday. I was pretty set on working ASAP, but I'm having second thoughts on working full-time pre-LSAT now. I'm living with my parents currently so I'm not going to be on the streets if I don't get it, but I'm a little weary about the possibility of working full time and studying. What are other's experiences with this? Does it come down to time management more than anything?

[Barack O'Drama]

Guys/gals, you're killing me. I feel like such a slacker! Did 3 Games this morning, went -0 on each of them, but I was over time on 2. Going to drill sequencing this weekend, then onto grouping next week.

Ahh, don't sweat it. If you feel any better I put in about an hour and a half today. I keep feeling burned out and getting really frustrated. Good work with your accuracy. Timing will come. I think I'm going to get in a few hours after dinner. I try to be consistent so I can take it easy on the weekends.

I plan to do the same: sequencing this weekend and grouping next week. I really am hating sequencing so far. I get so confused sometimes lol

[Barack O'Drama]

Pulled a 165 on PT 60 today which felt great considering it's my first PT since my diagnostic. I think I took this one a year ago but whatever not that concerned. Biggest thing for me right now is getting my timing up because I had to randomly bubble 'D' for the last 2 on at least 2 sections.

On an unrelated note, I just had an interview over the phone for a full-time sales position, with the in person interview coming up Monday. I was pretty set on working ASAP, but I'm having second thoughts on working full-time pre-LSAT now. I'm living with my parents currently so I'm not going to be on the streets if I don't get it, but I'm a little weary about the possibility of working full time and studying. What are other's experiences with this? Does it come down to time management more than anything?

Congrats. A 165 would make me the happiest man on Earth after today haha...

Also, congrats on your interview. What type of sales position is this? I work(ed) in sales, and depending on what you're selling it may or may not be advisable to pursue full-time. However, I work and it comes down to time-management. After a long day it is a pain in the ass to know you're coming home to a few more hours of prep. Then you go to bed, and wake up early to study before work. It will be intense, but it's doable if you're committed.

Either way, you'll make it work.

[Archer@Law]

Pulled a 165 on PT 60 today which felt great considering it's my first PT since my diagnostic. I think I took this one a year ago but whatever not that concerned. Biggest thing for me right now is getting my timing up because I had to randomly bubble 'D' for the last 2 on at least 2 sections.

On an unrelated note, I just had an interview over the phone for a full-time sales position, with the in person interview coming up Monday. I was pretty set on working ASAP, but I'm having second thoughts on working full-time pre-LSAT now. I'm living with my parents currently so I'm not going to be on the streets if I don't get it, but I'm a little weary about the possibility of working full time and studying. What are other's experiences with this? Does it come down to time management more than anything?

I'm working full-time now and I work full-time during the semester as well. I tend to do about 3-5 hours of studying before I go to work in the evening. Some days I don't have anything going on at work and I can study there as well (or hang out on TLS ). I also study an additional 0-2 hours when I get off. The weekends are more intense, generally about 8 hours or so a day.

I don't have a large amount of free time with this schedule. It can work, but you have to be dedicated to putting in the time. If I was able to, I would probably opt for a part-time job. I'm assuming you don't have a job now? Is there any room for middle ground instead of the no job vs full-time dichotomy?

I think the test is so important that I would look to get almost any advantage on it I could.

[20170322]

Just finished my PT of the week.


PT 72, from June 2014. 5 sections, proctored with 7sage app.


PT72:

RC: -5
LR1: -2
LR2: -0
LG: -1
Raw: 92
Scaled: 173


Definitely happy that I didn't dip below 170, so I think my floor has been lifted by improving on LG. However, I need to eat, sleep, and breathe RC in the coming weeks. If I had gone -0 on RC, I would have gotten a 178. Can't leave that many points on the table.

[globes]

I'm new around here, but I'm officially taking the sept 2016 test so I thought I'd pop in and say hi. It's definitely motivating to see everyone's studying.

I'm also getting married in a month, so I may be a little crazy.

[Alexandros]

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[CoGar]

17 days of studying down

Getting consistent 20's (# correct/section) for LR and LG with only occasional slip up. Surprisingly RC is by far my weakest right now. This test is DOABLE. Taking my second PT tomorrow morning!

[Alexandros]

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[Barack O'Drama]

Just finished my PT of the week.


PT 72, from June 2014. 5 sections, proctored with 7sage app.


PT72:

RC: -5
LR1: -2
LR2: -0
LG: -1
Raw: 92
Scaled: 173


Definitely happy that I didn't dip below 170, so I think my floor has been lifted by improving on LG. However, I need to eat, sleep, and breathe RC in the coming weeks. If I had gone -0 on RC, I would have gotten a 178. Can't leave that many points on the table.

SweetTort is going to get a 180 this September. Remember I called it

Good job SweetTort!

[Barack O'Drama]

Pulled a 165 on PT 60 today which felt great considering it's my first PT since my diagnostic. I think I took this one a year ago but whatever not that concerned. Biggest thing for me right now is getting my timing up because I had to randomly bubble 'D' for the last 2 on at least 2 sections.

On an unrelated note, I just had an interview over the phone for a full-time sales position, with the in person interview coming up Monday. I was pretty set on working ASAP, but I'm having second thoughts on working full-time pre-LSAT now. I'm living with my parents currently so I'm not going to be on the streets if I don't get it, but I'm a little weary about the possibility of working full time and studying. What are other's experiences with this? Does it come down to time management more than anything?

Congratulations!! that's fantastic for your second PT!

I'm currently working full-time, and, while I can't conclusively say it's not going to negatively impact my scores, I'm determined to make it work. I'm finding that 4 hour blocks in the evening seem to work well + doing stuff in the morning before work when I can. The big downside is that it leaves very little time for things that are not LSATs or work. But I mean, I think there's a limit to the amount of time you (or at least, me) would, could and probably should spend on LSATs per day anyways, and I figure it's highly unlikely I'd really be spending the 8 hours I'm at work studying and improving my performance. So yeah - imo, time management more than anything. (At least, that's what I hope...)

Having said that, it is a lot, and I think you should probably have a tolerably good reason to be working full-time if you decide to take that route.

Couldn't agree more. Working is totally doable if you're committed to putting the time in. If you're working 8-10 hours a day, you can find time to put in 4 hours or so. It isn't easy, but time management is key! And like you said, it probably isn't best to study 8 hours a day anyways. Not everyday at least.

[20170322]

Random LG tip, for those still struggling. This was a HUGE help to my time.

*** Never, ever, EVER EVER EVER, spin your wheels on a question before you finish all the other questions. That is to say, once you are stuck on a question, and you have no idea why any one answer could be correct over the others, MOVE ON. Circle it and come back around. Usually the time spent away from the question will clear your head enough to help you realize the correct answer. At the very least, you've hedged your bets so the worst you go is -1 (from missing the Q), rather than -5 (from running out of time).

[FischerTAH]

Random LG tip, for those still struggling. This was a HUGE help to my time.

*** Never, ever, EVER EVER EVER, spin your wheels on a question before you finish all the other questions. That is to say, once you are stuck on a question, and you have no idea why any one answer could be correct over the others, MOVE ON. Circle it and come back around. Usually the time spent away from the question will clear your head enough to help you realize the correct answer. At the very least, you've hedged your bets so the worst you go is -1 (from missing the Q), rather than -5 (from running out of time).

I was listening to one of JY Pings classes on 7Sage and he discusses this topic too. Made me realize that this absolutely needs to be practiced and I need to learn that you can't let questions get you down mentally. Circle the question, leave your issues with it behind and move on.

[proteinshake]

Random LG tip, for those still struggling. This was a HUGE help to my time.

*** Never, ever, EVER EVER EVER, spin your wheels on a question before you finish all the other questions. That is to say, once you are stuck on a question, and you have no idea why any one answer could be correct over the others, MOVE ON. Circle it and come back around. Usually the time spent away from the question will clear your head enough to help you realize the correct answer. At the very least, you've hedged your bets so the worst you go is -1 (from missing the Q), rather than -5 (from running out of time).

I was listening to one of JY Pings classes on 7Sage and he discusses this topic too. Made me realize that this absolutely needs to be practiced and I need to learn that you can't let questions get you down mentally. Circle the question, leave your issues with it behind and move on.

this applies to LR and RC as well!

[Mikey]

Random LG tip, for those still struggling. This was a HUGE help to my time.

*** Never, ever, EVER EVER EVER, spin your wheels on a question before you finish all the other questions. That is to say, once you are stuck on a question, and you have no idea why any one answer could be correct over the others, MOVE ON. Circle it and come back around. Usually the time spent away from the question will clear your head enough to help you realize the correct answer. At the very least, you've hedged your bets so the worst you go is -1 (from missing the Q), rather than -5 (from running out of time).

I was listening to one of JY Pings classes on 7Sage and he discusses this topic too. Made me realize that this absolutely needs to be practiced and I need to learn that you can't let questions get you down mentally. Circle the question, leave your issues with it behind and move on.

Sweet's advice is huge for timing, people should definitely have this mentality about a question that stumps them not only for LG but for LR as well. Just pick your best option, move on and go back if you have time.

[Barack O'Drama]

Random LG tip, for those still struggling. This was a HUGE help to my time.

*** Never, ever, EVER EVER EVER, spin your wheels on a question before you finish all the other questions. That is to say, once you are stuck on a question, and you have no idea why any one answer could be correct over the others, MOVE ON. Circle it and come back around. Usually the time spent away from the question will clear your head enough to help you realize the correct answer. At the very least, you've hedged your bets so the worst you go is -1 (from missing the Q), rather than -5 (from running out of time).

I was listening to one of JY Pings classes on 7Sage and he discusses this topic too. Made me realize that this absolutely needs to be practiced and I need to learn that you can't let questions get you down mentally. Circle the question, leave your issues with it behind and move on.

Sweet's advice is huge for timing, people should definitely have this mentality about a question that stumps them not only for LG but for LR as well. Just pick your best option, move on and go back if you have time.

This is totally something I need to work on. I sometimes get stuck on question 2-3 on LG sections and end up running out of time.

Thank you all.

ETA: Mikey & Protein shake you are very correct. This should be used in LR. It wasn't until I began doing this I could lower my misses from 7-8 down to 4-5