The Official June 2015 Study Group Forum

PeanutsNJam · Post by **PeanutsNJam** » Sun Feb 01, 2015 2:38 am

nlee10 wrote:
gamerish wrote:The best thing about lifting is that it's not running.

Swimming. It's like running, but without all the uncomfortable sweat, heat, strain on joints, dry breath, etc.

Water is also pretty fun.

gamerish · Post by **gamerish** » Sun Feb 01, 2015 2:45 am

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Tycho · Post by **Tycho** » Sun Feb 01, 2015 2:48 am

Tycho wrote:I honestly thought I botched the grouping games, but apparently did well enough with my rudimentary setup (I've just done a bit of linear sequencing thus far) to get at least the first 3-4 Qs on each right.

Bear in mind that I use the term "setup" very loosely. I've never done a grouping game in my life, so going -2 on one earlier was a pleasant surprise. Flipping through this forum and finding 7Sage are also two things I'm glad I did before getting into prep. Will be diving in this week with some diagramming, probably.

leslieknope · Post by **leslieknope** » Sun Feb 01, 2015 3:00 am

I kind of wish I'd taken a cold diagnostic, if only to know how much I've improved. I listened to LSAT blog and didn't PT until I'd gone through both the LGB and LRB and had been drilling for months, so I started out PTing in the mid-high 160s.

gamerish · Post by **gamerish** » Sun Feb 01, 2015 3:02 am

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179orBust · Post by **179orBust** » Sun Feb 01, 2015 3:17 am

Dirigo wrote:
179orBust wrote:What about a 154? That's what I scored on my diagnostic and I always thought it sucked.
Was it timed?

Yeah, was strictly timed. However, like Tycho, I did read some chapters of the Trainer beforehand. Just casual reading before bed, I didn't actually sit down and study.

Rigo · Post by **Rigo** » Sun Feb 01, 2015 3:22 am

179orBust wrote:
Dirigo wrote:
179orBust wrote:What about a 154? That's what I scored on my diagnostic and I always thought it sucked.
Was it timed?
Yeah, was strictly timed. However, like Tycho, I did read some chapters of the Trainer beforehand. Just casual reading before bed, I didn't actually sit down and study.

Kind of hard to judge since it wasn't a cold diagnostic, but a 154 doesn't suck if you're just starting out.

Starting in the 160's is pretty rare.

The Abyss · Post by **The Abyss** » Sun Feb 01, 2015 9:38 am

My cold diagnostic (no prep material whatsoever and timed) was 148. My last few PTs before December were 17-20 points higher than that with some modest studying, and then I significantly under performed on the actual test. I'm going all out for June, exhausting all my prep material, and shooting for a 173+.

That said, I'm up early studying and drilling. Getting it done now so that I can grill and watch the Superbowl later. Chicken wings, grilled shrimp avocado boats, deviled eggs, sweet potato fries, and veggies with homemade ranch dip are on the menu. No beer or bourbon until after the test, though.

179orBust · Post by **179orBust** » Sun Feb 01, 2015 10:36 am

The Abyss wrote:My cold diagnostic (no prep material whatsoever and timed) was 148. My last few PTs before December were 17-20 points higher than that with some modest studying, and then I significantly under performed on the actual test. I'm going all out for June, exhausting all my prep material, and shooting for a 173+.

That said, I'm up early studying and drilling. Getting it done now so that I can grill and watch the Superbowl later. Chicken wings, grilled shrimp avocado boats, deviled eggs, sweet potato fries, and veggies with homemade ranch dip are on the menu. No beer or bourbon until after the test, though.

Doing the same thing, trying to get in some studying now. Wanna make a prediction? I have the hawks beating the pats 31-21. Very confident they'll win.

The Abyss · Post by **The Abyss** » Sun Feb 01, 2015 10:45 am

179orBust wrote:
The Abyss wrote:My cold diagnostic (no prep material whatsoever and timed) was 148. My last few PTs before December were 17-20 points higher than that with some modest studying, and then I significantly under performed on the actual test. I'm going all out for June, exhausting all my prep material, and shooting for a 173+.

That said, I'm up early studying and drilling. Getting it done now so that I can grill and watch the Superbowl later. Chicken wings, grilled shrimp avocado boats, deviled eggs, sweet potato fries, and veggies with homemade ranch dip are on the menu. No beer or bourbon until after the test, though.
Doing the same thing, trying to get in some studying now. Wanna make a prediction? I have the hawks beating the pats 31-21. Very confident they'll win.

I have the Pats 24-21. This is the tightest Superbowl match up according to Vegas lines, as the Pats are currently a -1 favorite. That's basically a toss up. Yeah, the lines are just an indication of how people are betting, but they seem to be somewhat good predictors of the quality of the game. It's going to be a good one I reckon.

Tycho · Post by **Tycho** » Sun Feb 01, 2015 10:49 am

The Abyss wrote:
179orBust wrote:
The Abyss wrote:My cold diagnostic (no prep material whatsoever and timed) was 148. My last few PTs before December were 17-20 points higher than that with some modest studying, and then I significantly under performed on the actual test. I'm going all out for June, exhausting all my prep material, and shooting for a 173+.

That said, I'm up early studying and drilling. Getting it done now so that I can grill and watch the Superbowl later. Chicken wings, grilled shrimp avocado boats, deviled eggs, sweet potato fries, and veggies with homemade ranch dip are on the menu. No beer or bourbon until after the test, though.
Doing the same thing, trying to get in some studying now. Wanna make a prediction? I have the hawks beating the pats 31-21. Very confident they'll win.
I have the Pats 24-21. This is the tightest Superbowl match up according to Vegas lines, as the Pats are currently a -1 favorite. That's basically a toss up. Yeah, the lines are just an indication of how people are betting, but they seem to be somewhat good predictors of the quality of the game. It's going to be a good one I reckon.

I'm looking forward to it. A Hawks victory would not surprise me, but I guess a Pats victory really wouldn't either. Let's hope it's a bit more exciting than last year's (i.e. not a botched snap on the second play resulting in a safety). I'd guess less than a seven-point spread.

Dirigo wrote:Kind of hard to judge since it wasn't a cold diagnostic, but a 154 doesn't suck if you're just starting out.

I wouldn't say 154 is terrible. Before mine, the only thing I had been exposed to was diagramming for a simple pure sequencing game. I was just pleased that I was able to finish everything on time and manage a score that wasn't absolutely dismal, then improve that score into the 160s without going straight the answers (per the advice on 7Sage). That said, I've got a bit of work to do--but I'm confident a score in the mid-to-high 170s is well within my capability.

jetsfan1 · Post by **jetsfan1** » Sun Feb 01, 2015 10:55 am

Its days like Super Bowl sunday you really miss the shit out of America. I'm taking the Hawks, but take it with a grain of salt considering I haven't watched a football game all season/can't get this one either.

The Abyss · Post by **The Abyss** » Sun Feb 01, 2015 10:57 am

jetsfan1 wrote:Its days like Super Bowl sunday you really miss the shit out of America. I'm taking the Hawks, but take it with a grain of salt considering I haven't watched a football game all season/can't get this one either.

You can't stream it online?

msp8 · Post by **msp8** » Sun Feb 01, 2015 11:41 am

jetsfan1 wrote:Its days like Super Bowl sunday you really miss the shit out of America. I'm taking the Hawks, but take it with a grain of salt considering I haven't watched a football game all season/can't get this one either.

Where are you that your bandwidth is so bad and you have no television?

EDIT: and that there are no bars or cafes showing the game?

jetsfan1 · Post by **jetsfan1** » Sun Feb 01, 2015 12:23 pm

I've got internet that can essentially load email (html style) and TLS. Streaming/downloading has got no shot (well, small text files work). And msp8, don't wanna say exactly, but lets say farrrrr off the beaten path haha

Rigo · Post by **Rigo** » Sun Feb 01, 2015 12:29 pm

Could be West Virginia, could be Africa.

JackelJ · Post by **JackelJ** » Sun Feb 01, 2015 1:19 pm

RZ5646 · Post by **RZ5646** » Sun Feb 01, 2015 7:16 pm

What do you guys do for pre-PT warmups?

ETA: I did some games and an LR section today and I did terrible

thinking about doing October because things just aren't clicking and I doubt I can fix them in the limited time we have left, especially with school. I should have studied over the summer.

lawjag2015 · Post by **lawjag2015** » Sun Feb 01, 2015 11:06 pm

JackelJ wrote:@ lawjag - you took the PE exam? I'm hoping my score on the LSAT makes it so I don't have to worry about PE exams.

Yeah, long ago, almost 5 years ago!

Don't sweat the PE exam. You will need to put in work, but, you just need to do well! Not every single question is going to count, so it does not compare with the LSAT. With PE, if you are well prepared, and you use your brain in the exam, you come out okay!

jetsfan1 · Post by **jetsfan1** » Mon Feb 02, 2015 11:33 am

RZ5646 wrote:What do you guys do for pre-PT warmups?

ETA: I did some games and an LR section today and I did terrible thinking about doing October because things just aren't clicking and I doubt I can fix them in the limited time we have left, especially with school. I should have studied over the summer.

IMO that's way too much. I think all you need is enough to get the blood flowing. Put it this way: When I start drilling, I normally just jump right into it. If its LR, normally its not until after the first 5 qs that I feel "in the groove" so to speak. For RC, not until the second passage, same for games. I think you wanna do enough to hit that point but not more. So for me, it'll be a game or two, maybe an RC passage, and 5-10 LRs. Anyone else have thoughts?

JackelJ · Post by **JackelJ** » Mon Feb 02, 2015 12:02 pm

RZ5646 wrote:What do you guys do for pre-PT warmups?

ETA: I did some games and an LR section today and I did terrible thinking about doing October because things just aren't clicking and I doubt I can fix them in the limited time we have left, especially with school. I should have studied over the summer.

I don't do warmups before my PTs, but I really should start. I would probably do 1 LG, 1 RC passage, and 5-10 LR questions. I would want to keep things easy and maybe even questions I did before.

And relax you have 4 months before you need to be ready for the test. Don't think about doing October now

20170322 · Post by **20170322** » Mon Feb 02, 2015 12:07 pm

Does anyone else really struggle with in/out grouping? I've been drilling them for a long time and I still can't seem to grasp it. Like, 7sage always "splits the board" fifty different ways, and none of these options seem apparent until I'm reviewing.

Shakawkaw · Post by **Shakawkaw** » Mon Feb 02, 2015 12:14 pm

SweetTort wrote:Does anyone else really struggle with in/out grouping? I've been drilling them for a long time and I still can't seem to grasp it. Like, 7sage always "splits the board" fifty different ways, and none of these options seem apparent until I'm reviewing.

What's your problem with in/out grouping, specifically? When I first started this game type, I had issues with the conditional logic. Now these games are my favorite because JY does a great job of showing when rules trigger vs. when they fall away. If the chain is A-->B--->/C, you know that if A is in, B is also in, but C is out. You also know that if C is in, both B and A are out.

RZ5646 · Post by **RZ5646** » Mon Feb 02, 2015 1:11 pm

Making one group "true" and the other "false" is brilliant and one of the best things I've learned from 7sage.

Rigo · Post by **Rigo** » Mon Feb 02, 2015 1:53 pm

SweetTort wrote:Does anyone else really struggle with in/out grouping? I've been drilling them for a long time and I still can't seem to grasp it. Like, 7sage always "splits the board" fifty different ways, and none of these options seem apparent until I'm reviewing.

Huh? When does 7sage split the board with in-out?
Can you link me an example?