The Official June 2015 Study Group Forum

RZ5646 · Post by **RZ5646** » Sat Jan 31, 2015 4:24 pm

The Abyss wrote:Experimenting with exercise before drilling today to see if it improves or diminishes performance on questions. Doing a kettlebell circuit and then running 4-6 miles. I will be doing some LR (Method of Reasoning, Argument Part, and Parallel Method) and around 6-8 games after.

I think it's important to get your blood flowing, but rigorous exercise could be detrimental. I know for a fact that running 4-6 miles would harm my performance because I would be dead.

The Abyss · Post by **The Abyss** » Sat Jan 31, 2015 4:28 pm

RZ5646 wrote:
The Abyss wrote:Experimenting with exercise before drilling today to see if it improves or diminishes performance on questions. Doing a kettlebell circuit and then running 4-6 miles. I will be doing some LR (Method of Reasoning, Argument Part, and Parallel Method) and around 6-8 games after.
I think it's important to get your blood flowing, but rigorous exercise could be detrimental. I know for a fact that running 4-6 miles would harm my performance because I would be dead.

Yeah, I'm just experimenting now so I can key in on the optimal amount of exercise come game day. I'm 99% sure this amount is overkill, but I'm going to start here and work down. I'm going to track the exercise amount vs. performance on the drilling.

The Abyss · Post by **The Abyss** » Sat Jan 31, 2015 4:30 pm

Also, should I save some of PTs 39-74 just for timed sections or just take them in whole? What's TLS's take on this? Perhaps make timed sections from the question type packets?

jetsfan1 · Post by **jetsfan1** » Sat Jan 31, 2015 4:32 pm

RZ5646 wrote:
The Abyss wrote:Experimenting with exercise before drilling today to see if it improves or diminishes performance on questions. Doing a kettlebell circuit and then running 4-6 miles. I will be doing some LR (Method of Reasoning, Argument Part, and Parallel Method) and around 6-8 games after.
I think it's important to get your blood flowing, but rigorous exercise could be detrimental. I know for a fact that running 4-6 miles would harm my performance because I would be dead.

Literal first thought reading this post:

knows running 4-6 m would harm performance b/c would be dead -----> rigorous exercise could be detrimental.

Assumption made: death hurts performance

This is what happens when you drill assumption questions all day I guess...

jetsfan1 · Post by **jetsfan1** » Sat Jan 31, 2015 4:39 pm

The Abyss wrote:Also, should I save some of PTs 39-74 just for timed sections or just take them in whole? What's TLS's take on this? Perhaps make timed sections from the question type packets?

I've been making "timed" sections from the packets, planning on saving all the PTs for actual PTing. So far so good, though I'll be the first to admit its too early to say precisely how effective this has been. You are never gonna make a section that perfectly mimics the real thing, but for LR I just try to do about 30 with an even mix of 1s, 2s, 3s, and 4s. If I'm around 38 minutes for that I feel pretty good about it. At this point you can probably feel if your going fast or slow intuitively. And for drilling question types, I think that makes up for the timing uncertainty.

JackelJ · Post by **JackelJ** » Sat Jan 31, 2015 4:50 pm

RZ5646 wrote:
The Abyss wrote:Experimenting with exercise before drilling today to see if it improves or diminishes performance on questions. Doing a kettlebell circuit and then running 4-6 miles. I will be doing some LR (Method of Reasoning, Argument Part, and Parallel Method) and around 6-8 games after.
I think it's important to get your blood flowing, but rigorous exercise could be detrimental. I know for a fact that running 4-6 miles would harm my performance because I would be dead.

ehh 4-6 miles isn't really what I would consider rigorous exercise for someone who runs. I personally tend to do better after I exercise because I can sit down and focus after, but every one is different

The Abyss · Post by **The Abyss** » Sat Jan 31, 2015 4:53 pm

jetsfan1 wrote:
The Abyss wrote:Also, should I save some of PTs 39-74 just for timed sections or just take them in whole? What's TLS's take on this? Perhaps make timed sections from the question type packets?
I've been making "timed" sections from the packets, planning on saving all the PTs for actual PTing. So far so good, though I'll be the first to admit its too early to say precisely how effective this has been. You are never gonna make a section that perfectly mimics the real thing, but for LR I just try to do about 30 with an even mix of 1s, 2s, 3s, and 4s. If I'm around 38 minutes for that I feel pretty good about it. At this point you can probably feel if your going fast or slow intuitively. And for drilling question types, I think that makes up for the timing uncertainty.

Thanks for the response. I think I'm just going to make my own sections using the packets too. I can add question types by their expected amount per section, with a mix of levels 1-4, to try and recreate sections close to the real thing. This sounds like it will be effective and saves all the PTs for PTing.

JackelJ · Post by **JackelJ** » Sat Jan 31, 2015 4:53 pm

The Abyss wrote:Also, should I save some of PTs 39-74 just for timed sections or just take them in whole? What's TLS's take on this? Perhaps make timed sections from the question type packets?

And I am using some sections from these PTs as timed sections because 1) I have seen some of the sections before 2) I think it helps me with timing and 3) because I don't always have time to take a full PT

I'm keeping all the packets for drilling only

peppermint · Post by **peppermint** » Sat Jan 31, 2015 7:06 pm

lawjag2015 · Post by **lawjag2015** » Sat Jan 31, 2015 10:53 pm

JackelJ wrote:
RZ5646 wrote:
The Abyss wrote:Experimenting with exercise before drilling today to see if it improves or diminishes performance on questions. Doing a kettlebell circuit and then running 4-6 miles. I will be doing some LR (Method of Reasoning, Argument Part, and Parallel Method) and around 6-8 games after.
I think it's important to get your blood flowing, but rigorous exercise could be detrimental. I know for a fact that running 4-6 miles would harm my performance because I would be dead.
ehh 4-6 miles isn't really what I would consider rigorous exercise for someone who runs. I personally tend to do better after I exercise because I can sit down and focus after, but every one is different

Know a guy who used to run 10 miles in an hour for fun everyday. Now, he was a marathoner and represented Brown in races. As for me, yes, I can run 5-6 miles, and I do it every other day, but, it is a struggle. I think, 75 minutes of exercise a day is essential. I only managed a 163 in my first attempt, my prep was misdirected, but, the process of prepping with a full-time job broke me down physically, I was not exercising. My body used to hurt. I have taken some big exams in the past, including 8 hour long professional engineering exams, 2 of them, but LSAT is different, its a long sprint, you cannot relax at all, and you have to score very high. The prep for LSAT, doing PTs after PTs, is mentally and physically challenging. I think exercise helps!

RZ5646 · Post by **RZ5646** » Sun Feb 01, 2015 12:04 am

Running sucks. At least lifting feels cool and productive because you're actually moving heavy shit around.

gamerish · Post by **gamerish** » Sun Feb 01, 2015 12:12 am

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nlee10 · Post by **nlee10** » Sun Feb 01, 2015 12:25 am

gamerish wrote:The best thing about lifting is that it's not running.

lawjag2015 · Post by **lawjag2015** » Sun Feb 01, 2015 12:35 am

gamerish wrote:The best thing about lifting is that it's not running.

I agree! I alternate running and lifting, and I really look forward to lifting days! Running on the other hand, I put myself through!

Tycho · Post by **Tycho** » Sun Feb 01, 2015 1:39 am

Checking in (first post), and will be taking in June. I took the June 2007 test earlier with minimal preparation and scored a 157 under timed conditions and a 161 BR (didn't touch the logic games in BR, honestly). It's not stellar, but with a few months of solid prep, a score in the mid to high 170s is absolutely attainable for me. I've got the LG and LR bibles but haven't fully delved in yet.

I was pleasantly surprised to get -5 on the LG, having not ever done an entire section of them under timed conditions. Strongest section was RC and I made several novice blunders on LR, which should resolve with practice. Stamina wasn't at all a concern. I was able to finish each section on time, although I would've liked a bit more in terms of accuracy. Not a terrible spot to start in, however.

Rigo · Post by **Rigo** » Sun Feb 01, 2015 1:45 am

Welcome tycho. That's a great diagnostic score.

179orBust · Post by **179orBust** » Sun Feb 01, 2015 1:57 am

What about a 154? That's what I scored on my diagnostic and I always thought it sucked. Figured everyone here gets like 160+. Also, I took PT38 so my score may be a bit inflated since the older tests were easier.

And who's watching the Super Bowl tomorrow? So fired up. Prediction: Seahawks beat the Pats 31-21. Very confident in the pick.

Rigo · Post by **Rigo** » Sun Feb 01, 2015 2:00 am

179orBust wrote:What about a 154? That's what I scored on my diagnostic and I always thought it sucked.

Was it timed?

Tycho · Post by **Tycho** » Sun Feb 01, 2015 2:02 am

Dirigo wrote:Welcome tycho. That's a great diagnostic score.

Thanks, Dirigo. It's about what I expected it would be. I honestly thought I botched the grouping games, but apparently did well enough with my rudimentary setup (I've just done a bit of linear sequencing thus far) to get at least the first 3-4 Qs on each right.

Rigo · Post by **Rigo** » Sun Feb 01, 2015 2:07 am

Whenever somebody says diagnostic, I assume they mean a cold diagnostic before studying.
Mine was high 140's iirc (took it back in 2012). I've gained 30+ points since then (didn't start studying until summer 2014) with average to minimal effort.

Tycho · Post by **Tycho** » Sun Feb 01, 2015 2:14 am

Dirigo wrote:Whenever somebody says diagnostic, I assume they mean a cold diagnostic before studying.
Mine was high 140's iirc (took it back in 2012). I've gained 30+ points since then (didn't start studying until summer 2014) with average to minimal effort.

Congrats on the improvement thus far. Yeah, the only prep I've done is glance at the first couple chapters of the LG Bible (basic linear). Nothing else. Now that I've got a baseline, I feel comfortable jumping into learning the fundamentals. FWIW, went -0 on the first game (the easy one with the product codes)--that was nice.

gamerish · Post by **gamerish** » Sun Feb 01, 2015 2:17 am

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Tycho · Post by **Tycho** » Sun Feb 01, 2015 2:25 am

gamerish wrote:
Dirigo wrote:Whenever somebody says diagnostic, I assume they mean a cold diagnostic before studying.
Mine was high 140's iirc (took it back in 2012). I've gained 30+ points since then (didn't start studying until summer 2014) with average to minimal effort.
I agree. I took my diagnostic cold and under test conditions (timed, etc). I don't much see the point in taking one if you're gonna study beforehand and/or not take it under the same conditions the test would be proctored under.

Yeah, that's why I went ahead with mine before actually sitting down and doing drills/reading the books closely/etc. I won't start PTing for another couple of months.

nlee10 · Post by **nlee10** » Sun Feb 01, 2015 2:31 am

Rigo · Post by **Rigo** » Sun Feb 01, 2015 2:31 am

nlee10 wrote:

Go back to February. Posting here is bad juju.