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Post by OhMyLaw » Wed Oct 26, 2016 1:05 am

harveybirdman502 wrote:
Tazewell wrote:Can someone explain to me what y'all mean by "Blind Review" or just what y'all do after a PT? I took the test in September and didn't really rigorously review my missed questions, but did track how many of each type I missed, and found no one LR question type just killed me, but I'm starting to go through my missed answers more carefully this time. Is there anything else y'all do after a PT that I can start doing?
Basically the idea of a Blind Review is to take the test timed. Don't look at the score. Go back and do it again untimed, circle any question that you're not completely clear and certain on, no matter if you think you missed it or not. Review missed answers and questions that confused you. Determine if it's a matter of time or lack of knowledge on the question type that affected your wrong answers.

I think that's about it. Others feel free to chime in.
That's essentially it. I would add that it's meant to show you whether you're making mistakes bc you're under a time crunch or bc you don't understand the material. 7sage has a great 7 part guide to this. :)

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Post by Barack O'Drama » Wed Oct 26, 2016 1:35 am

OhMyLaw wrote:So I was telling my writing professor, who went to one of HYS, about how disappointed I was with my score. And he said that when you're in law school, no one gives a damn about your LSAT. And when he graduated, he worked in BigLaw alongside ppl from schools ranked a lot lower. He also knew ppl who didn't do well in law school, but are great lawyers. This made me feel a lot better so hopefully it'll do the same for some of you on here.

tldr; one aspect of your life doesn't determine your outcome.

That is somewhat encouraging. If only HYS didn't give a damn about my LSAT and only my GPA I wouldn't be stressin, lol :lol:
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Post by Mikey » Wed Oct 26, 2016 7:23 am

Barack O'Drama wrote:
OhMyLaw wrote:So I was telling my writing professor, who went to one of HYS, about how disappointed I was with my score. And he said that when you're in law school, no one gives a damn about your LSAT. And when he graduated, he worked in BigLaw alongside ppl from schools ranked a lot lower. He also knew ppl who didn't do well in law school, but are great lawyers. This made me feel a lot better so hopefully it'll do the same for some of you on here.

tldr; one aspect of your life doesn't determine your outcome.

That is somewhat encouraging. If only HYS didn't give a damn about my LSAT and only my GPA I wouldn't be stressin, lol :lol:
don't you wish Lsac would just make a mistake and put a 175 on your account and it never goes noticed by them that it was a mistake :mrgreen:

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Post by batlaw » Wed Oct 26, 2016 10:08 am

OhMyLaw wrote:
harveybirdman502 wrote:
Tazewell wrote:Can someone explain to me what y'all mean by "Blind Review" or just what y'all do after a PT? I took the test in September and didn't really rigorously review my missed questions, but did track how many of each type I missed, and found no one LR question type just killed me, but I'm starting to go through my missed answers more carefully this time. Is there anything else y'all do after a PT that I can start doing?
Basically the idea of a Blind Review is to take the test timed. Don't look at the score. Go back and do it again untimed, circle any question that you're not completely clear and certain on, no matter if you think you missed it or not. Review missed answers and questions that confused you. Determine if it's a matter of time or lack of knowledge on the question type that affected your wrong answers.

I think that's about it. Others feel free to chime in.
That's essentially it. I would add that it's meant to show you whether you're making mistakes bc you're under a time crunch or bc you don't understand the material. 7sage has a great 7 part guide to this. :)
Just adding a few things that I've started to do for BR: 1.) While taking the PT timed I have a system where I mark every question so that when I come back during BR I know if I felt a.) 100% confident in answer and incorrect answers and why b.) I am sure of answer but my strategy is a little fuzzy / it took too much time c.) I am unsure of my answer and strategy. I can elaborate a little later when I get to the office, but basically, I just wanted to add that I find it useful to mark them in a way that is useful later and that for BR I have found it really useful to not just focus on the right answer but to also clarify strategy and reasoning behind both right and wrong answers. Oh and then I'm also starting a spreadsheet where I keep track of this kind of thing.

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Post by Hobbesy » Wed Oct 26, 2016 12:33 pm

Mikey wrote:
Barack O'Drama wrote:
OhMyLaw wrote:So I was telling my writing professor, who went to one of HYS, about how disappointed I was with my score. And he said that when you're in law school, no one gives a damn about your LSAT. And when he graduated, he worked in BigLaw alongside ppl from schools ranked a lot lower. He also knew ppl who didn't do well in law school, but are great lawyers. This made me feel a lot better so hopefully it'll do the same for some of you on here.

tldr; one aspect of your life doesn't determine your outcome.

That is somewhat encouraging. If only HYS didn't give a damn about my LSAT and only my GPA I wouldn't be stressin, lol :lol:
don't you wish Lsac would just make a mistake and put a 175 on your account and it never goes noticed by them that it was a mistake :mrgreen:
IF ONLY

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Post by PrezRand » Wed Oct 26, 2016 12:41 pm

Did not realize the preptests only had the answers. Where did you guys find the explanations?

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Post by batlaw » Wed Oct 26, 2016 1:06 pm

PrezRand wrote:Did not realize the preptests only had the answers. Where did you guys find the explanations?
LSAT Hacks is free and has explanations for 29-38 and 62-77 : https://lsathacks.com/explanations .

I think 7Sage has free explanations for LGs?

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Post by Rupert Pupkin » Wed Oct 26, 2016 1:28 pm

Mikey wrote:
Barack O'Drama wrote:
OhMyLaw wrote:So I was telling my writing professor, who went to one of HYS, about how disappointed I was with my score. And he said that when you're in law school, no one gives a damn about your LSAT. And when he graduated, he worked in BigLaw alongside ppl from schools ranked a lot lower. He also knew ppl who didn't do well in law school, but are great lawyers. This made me feel a lot better so hopefully it'll do the same for some of you on here.

tldr; one aspect of your life doesn't determine your outcome.

That is somewhat encouraging. If only HYS didn't give a damn about my LSAT and only my GPA I wouldn't be stressin, lol :lol:
don't you wish Lsac would just make a mistake and put a 175 on your account and it never goes noticed by them that it was a mistake :mrgreen:
one can hope!

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Post by Mikey » Wed Oct 26, 2016 1:49 pm

That LSAT thing at my school was iight. A few hard LR questions and 1 "hard" game.

Didn't find the game helpful since I had done that game before but the LR stuff was helpful, kinda.

E: he did go over an LR question that used formal logic though, which I did appreciate.
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Post by Greenteachurro » Wed Oct 26, 2016 1:50 pm

PrezRand wrote:Did not realize the preptests only had the answers. Where did you guys find the explanations?
The superpreps are the only ones with answers on them I'm pretty sure.

Side note: just got my Superprep II today, is it bad that I'm actually a little excited to read the official explanations from LSAC? AND GET THE SUPER DUPER SECRET NEVER-BEFORE RELEASED TEST!

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Post by Mikey » Wed Oct 26, 2016 1:51 pm

PrezRand wrote:Did not realize the preptests only had the answers. Where did you guys find the explanations?
Manhattan prep has a forum where there's explanations.

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Post by MindBodyAbs » Wed Oct 26, 2016 1:55 pm

Mikey wrote:
PrezRand wrote:Did not realize the preptests only had the answers. Where did you guys find the explanations?
Manhattan prep has a forum where there's explanations.
+1 very helpful for LR

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MindBodyAbs wrote:
Mikey wrote:
PrezRand wrote:Did not realize the preptests only had the answers. Where did you guys find the explanations?
Manhattan prep has a forum where there's explanations.
+1 very helpful for LR
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Post by Rupert Pupkin » Wed Oct 26, 2016 2:10 pm

Mikey wrote:
MindBodyAbs wrote:
Mikey wrote:
PrezRand wrote:Did not realize the preptests only had the answers. Where did you guys find the explanations?
Manhattan prep has a forum where there's explanations.
+1 very helpful for LR
Yep! And for LG definitely 7sage 100% for explanations.
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Post by Barack O'Drama » Wed Oct 26, 2016 3:46 pm

Hobbesy wrote:
Mikey wrote:
Barack O'Drama wrote:
OhMyLaw wrote:So I was telling my writing professor, who went to one of HYS, about how disappointed I was with my score. And he said that when you're in law school, no one gives a damn about your LSAT. And when he graduated, he worked in BigLaw alongside ppl from schools ranked a lot lower. He also knew ppl who didn't do well in law school, but are great lawyers. This made me feel a lot better so hopefully it'll do the same for some of you on here.

tldr; one aspect of your life doesn't determine your outcome.

That is somewhat encouraging. If only HYS didn't give a damn about my LSAT and only my GPA I wouldn't be stressin, lol :lol:
don't you wish Lsac would just make a mistake and put a 175 on your account and it never goes noticed by them that it was a mistake :mrgreen:
IF ONLY

Dude! My life would be set! lol :lol:
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Post by harveybirdman502 » Wed Oct 26, 2016 4:20 pm

Anyone have tips on required assumption questions? I find the negation method a bit difficult to apply. It seems like some correct answers apply directly to one premise, which if it falls apart, so does the argument and conclusion. Others seem to apply to the overall connected argument.

For example, on PT 32 the answer choice is about one element in one of the premises. I got it right but how are you to determine which negations actually apply directly to the assumption? Also, can you use sufficient strategies here by identifying new elements in the conclusion and elements in the premises that do not appear in the conclusion?

These Qs have been a nightmare for me ever since the beginning. I don't know why this is so difficult. Is there only one assumption in each argument for these questions? :x
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Post by harveybirdman502 » Wed Oct 26, 2016 4:29 pm

Also, what is the most efficient way to drill LR? It seems useless if you don't understand the question type completely. I'll do 10-20, miss a couple, feel like I learned absolutely nothing. Then what...how is this supposed to help?

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harveybirdman502 wrote:Anyone have tips on required assumption questions? I find the negation method a bit difficult to apply. It seems like some correct answers apply directly to one premise, which if it falls apart, so does the argument and conclusion. Others seem to apply to the overall connected argument.

For example, on PT 32 the answer choice is literally about one term in one of the premises. I got it right but how are you to determine which negations actually apply directly to the assumption? Also, can you use sufficient strategies here by identifying new elements in the conclusion and elements in the premises that do not appear in the conclusion?

These Qs have been a nightmare for me ever since the beginning. I don't know why this is so difficult. Is there only one assumption in each argument for these questions? :x
The thing is there is an infinite number of necessary assumptions. The trick is to find the one out of five that HAS to be true.

A simple example:

After beating Abraham to a pulp, Negan turns his sights to Glenn, picking off another member of the group.
Maggie then vows to get revenge by killing Negan herself the next time they cross paths.

What is the author assuming? That Negan is an asshole? Probably, but without further episodes/information, he might turn out to be a good dude.
What about if Abraham is 50? Michael Cudlitz is actually 51, but regardless, we need not assume this. What's the point in knowing his age?
How about Maggie being able to survive before the second meeting with Negan? Well, this all sounds irrelevant, but yeah, it's got to be the case.
The conclusion is that Maggie will murder this guy the next time they see each other,
so it must be true that she will live long enough for that to occur. Use the negation test to confirm.
"Maggie will not survive before the second encounter." That wrecks the whole argument!
If she's dead af, how on Earth will she herself be able to kill Negan? That'd be some next-level shit.

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Post by dj9i27 » Wed Oct 26, 2016 4:41 pm

harveybirdman502 wrote:Also, what is the most efficient way to drill LR? It seems useless if you don't understand the question type completely. I'll do 10-20, miss a couple, feel like I learned absolutely nothing. Then what...how is this supposed to help?
I'll weigh in on this one, the NA question I think is different from person to person (just like this one too I guess). Regardless, there are multiple ways to drill LR imo, no one is perfect. First, timed full sections grade them and see if there is a pattern of the answers you're getting wrong. If there is a pattern focus on it and drill by QT, if there isn't I do 5 questions of each QT I missed and read one of the prep books to try and cement my thought process.

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Mikey wrote:
MindBodyAbs wrote:
Mikey wrote:
PrezRand wrote:Did not realize the preptests only had the answers. Where did you guys find the explanations?
Manhattan prep has a forum where there's explanations.
+1 very helpful for LR
Yep! And for LG definitely 7sage 100% for explanations.
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Post by Mikey » Wed Oct 26, 2016 5:18 pm

ugh, just went -7 on an LR section

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Mikey wrote:ugh, just went -7 on an LR section
Outlier, it's just an outlier

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Post by Mikey » Wed Oct 26, 2016 5:33 pm

dj9i27 wrote:
Mikey wrote:ugh, just went -7 on an LR section
Outlier, it's just an outlier
i guess.. went -1 and -2 on two LR sections yesterday but i feel like my average on LR is like -4 per section, idunno

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