Violation of LSAT test center regulations Forum

AfrocentricAsian · Post by **AfrocentricAsian** » Mon Oct 05, 2015 2:50 pm

Nagster5 wrote:
basedvulpes wrote:
whacka wrote:Does anyone seriously buy that OP didn't know he couldn't do that? Do you think the 35 minutes is just a suggestion or what
Considering OP answered barely over half of the questions in the section I don't think OP really knew what he/she was doing.
If someone said to me "I guessed on the last 11 questions on the test day of" I would tell them to reconsider law. The cheating is really just icing on the cake. Cheating is worse than not being able to understand simple instructions presented to you in text form and repeated several times verbally during a test to assess your aptitude to be a lawyer, but not by much.

Previous post. He's clearly being an ass and questioning OP's intellect.

BCgirl · Post by **BCgirl** » Mon Oct 05, 2015 2:51 pm

AfrocentricAsian wrote: Yes, because one did poorly on a clearly learn-able test, they shouldn't go to law school. It's sad that most of you will be big time lawyers and hold some sort of powerful position in the near future.

It's actually not bad advice. Low LSAT translates to no scholarship and TTT = >$100K debt and poor job prospects in 3 years.

(Not to mention, if you're a foreign student and can't find a job within a certain time to get into the H1B visa lottery, you're looking at getting deported.)

Nagster5 · Post by **Nagster5** » Mon Oct 05, 2015 2:53 pm

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AfrocentricAsian · Post by **AfrocentricAsian** » Mon Oct 05, 2015 2:55 pm

BCgirl wrote:
AfrocentricAsian wrote: Yes, because one did poorly on a clearly learn-able test, they shouldn't go to law school. It's sad that most of you will be big time lawyers and hold some sort of powerful position in the near future.
It's actually not bad advice. Low LSAT translates to no scholarship and TTT = >$100K debt and poor job prospects in 3 years.

(Not to mention, if you're a foreign student and can't find a job within a certain time to get into the H1B visa lottery, you're looking at getting deported.)

Give me a break. You all got better at the test through the advice produced on this site. Stop acting like others can't do the same.

lymenheimer · Post by **lymenheimer** » Mon Oct 05, 2015 2:55 pm

AfrocentricAsian wrote:
Nagster5 wrote: If someone said to me "I guessed on the last 11 questions on the test day of" I would tell them to reconsider law. The cheating is really just icing on the cake. Cheating is worse than not being able to understand simple instructions presented to you in text form and repeated several times verbally during a test to assess your aptitude to be a lawyer, but not by much.
Previous post. He's clearly being an ass and questioning OP's intellect.

Gotcha...true about the ass thing, though it's a fair point. Can't learn a learnable test? Could just be a poorly formed version of "big debt=bad". Or even "how can you not commit to study for a test that will save you thousands of dollars over the next 3 years of your life" sorta thing.

joeycxxxx09 · Post by **joeycxxxx09** » Mon Oct 05, 2015 2:56 pm

benwyatt wrote:
joeycxxxx09 wrote:OP, reading the instructions they make no mention of the answer sheet, only the sections of the test (do not work on, turn back, etc). As long as you didn't turn to the other sections, you could reasonably make the case that you had already filled in the answers, but you were just going back to darken/complete the bubbles for the previous section. Especially as a foreign student you could claim that they made no mention of the answer sheet in the instructions and you believed that the test booklet sections and the answer sheet were two separate entities which allowed you to darken in previous sections that had already been completed.
They absolutely make verbal mention of the answer sheet and say that you cannot go back to darken responses that are already marked.

You're right, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e6ZYCmShkUg at 7:35 in the video. OP ,you're fuc**d but I respect the hustle. I guess your only option is to just say you don't speak English and couldn't hear the directions?

lymenheimer · Post by **lymenheimer** » Mon Oct 05, 2015 2:57 pm

AfrocentricAsian wrote:
BCgirl wrote:
AfrocentricAsian wrote: Yes, because one did poorly on a clearly learn-able test, they shouldn't go to law school. It's sad that most of you will be big time lawyers and hold some sort of powerful position in the near future.
It's actually not bad advice. Low LSAT translates to no scholarship and TTT = >$100K debt and poor job prospects in 3 years.

(Not to mention, if you're a foreign student and can't find a job within a certain time to get into the H1B visa lottery, you're looking at getting deported.)
Give me a break. You all got better at the test through the advice produced on this site. Stop acting like others can't do the same.

I got better without advice through this site. Does that mean I can judge?

benwyatt · Post by **benwyatt** » Mon Oct 05, 2015 2:58 pm

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BCgirl · Post by **BCgirl** » Mon Oct 05, 2015 2:58 pm

AfrocentricAsian wrote: Give me a break. You all got better at the test through the advice produced on this site. Stop acting like others can't do the same.

LOL what?

Nagster5 · Post by **Nagster5** » Mon Oct 05, 2015 2:59 pm

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joeycxxxx09 · Post by **joeycxxxx09** » Mon Oct 05, 2015 3:00 pm

benwyatt wrote:
joeycxxxx09 wrote:
benwyatt wrote:
joeycxxxx09 wrote:OP, reading the instructions they make no mention of the answer sheet, only the sections of the test (do not work on, turn back, etc). As long as you didn't turn to the other sections, you could reasonably make the case that you had already filled in the answers, but you were just going back to darken/complete the bubbles for the previous section. Especially as a foreign student you could claim that they made no mention of the answer sheet in the instructions and you believed that the test booklet sections and the answer sheet were two separate entities which allowed you to darken in previous sections that had already been completed.
They absolutely make verbal mention of the answer sheet and say that you cannot go back to darken responses that are already marked.
You're right, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e6ZYCmShkUg at 7:35 in the video. OP ,you're fuc**d but I respect the hustle. I guess your only option is to just say you don't speak English and couldn't hear the directions?
You don't speak English but you read it well enough to take the LSAT?

Nope, still boned.

That was a joke. But I mean leaving 11 questions blank could indicate that speaking English is not OP's forte

HxAxDxExS · Post by **HxAxDxExS** » Mon Oct 05, 2015 3:04 pm

pancakes3 wrote:
joeycxxxx09 wrote:Not sure why some of you are being so ruthless, this could easily be an honest mistake. The fact he erased the answers after they told him you can't do that shows that he was trying to correct the error and return it to the way it was before he made the mistake. And let's be honest, if any of you ran out of time before bubbling the last two questions on a section you would bubble those in at some point before you turned the test in.
No bro, we wouldn't. I wouldn't, anyway.

Right, maybe on some regular exam. But on the LSAT, for two questions? No need to explain why not, I assume we all know.

HxAxDxExS · Post by **HxAxDxExS** » Mon Oct 05, 2015 3:13 pm

BCgirl wrote:
AfrocentricAsian wrote: Give me a break. You all got better at the test through the advice produced on this site. Stop acting like others can't do the same.
LOL what?

I don't think theres much this site can do for you on the LSAT. For law school, definitely, but on the LSAT? I mean it can give you some ideas of what to expect/how to go about them. To say that it does something for you that you wouldn't of done anyway is illogical (Results may be good or bad). Yes, you can get a high score and read on TLS, but you probably would've got that score anyway if you studied for it. (and don't say you studied on TLS)

BCgirl · Post by **BCgirl** » Mon Oct 05, 2015 3:22 pm

^Yeah, I don't what she was going on about. I didn't even know this site existed when I was studying for the LSAT.

All I'm saying is, having just gone through law school, the bar, and getting a job, etc. I can tell you, the LSAT was the easiest part of that entire process. It sucks to hear it, but 1L year isn't going to be easier. The bar exam certainly isn't going to be easier. And being a international student myself, I have been through the work visa experience. The H1B visa requires your employer to spend 3K on an application for you in April so you have a 60% chance of lottery-ing into work eligibility for October of your following year.

What the OP is going to face is a industry, job market and immigration laws that are remarkably unforgiving to international students. In addition, he's got this on his record. And believe me, when I applied for the bar, they checked a speeding ticket I got at age 16, so don't think they aren't going to care about this.

ugg · Post by **ugg** » Mon Oct 05, 2015 3:39 pm

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AfrocentricAsian · Post by **AfrocentricAsian** » Mon Oct 05, 2015 3:41 pm

HxAxDxExS wrote:
BCgirl wrote:
AfrocentricAsian wrote: Give me a break. You all got better at the test through the advice produced on this site. Stop acting like others can't do the same.
LOL what?
I don't think theres much this site can do for you on the LSAT. For law school, definitely, but on the LSAT? I mean it can give you some ideas of what to expect/how to go about them. To say that it does something for you that you wouldn't of done anyway is illogical (Results may be good or bad). Yes, you can get a high score and read on TLS, but you probably would've got that score anyway if you studied for it. (and don't say you studied on TLS)

Ok, you weren't recommended to reputable sources for lsat prep via this website (highly doubt it), that's besides the point. No one innately scores in the 170s-which means they acquired the skill to get there, which means recommending someone to give up on law because they bombed one test is elitist and ridiculous.

HxAxDxExS · Post by **HxAxDxExS** » Mon Oct 05, 2015 3:47 pm

AfrocentricAsian wrote:
HxAxDxExS wrote:
BCgirl wrote:
AfrocentricAsian wrote: Give me a break. You all got better at the test through the advice produced on this site. Stop acting like others can't do the same.
LOL what?
I don't think theres much this site can do for you on the LSAT. For law school, definitely, but on the LSAT? I mean it can give you some ideas of what to expect/how to go about them. To say that it does something for you that you wouldn't of done anyway is illogical (Results may be good or bad). Yes, you can get a high score and read on TLS, but you probably would've got that score anyway if you studied for it. (and don't say you studied on TLS)
Ok, you weren't recommended to reputable sources for lsat prep via this website (highly doubt it), that's besides the point. No one innately scores in the 170s-which means they acquired the skill to get there, which means recommending someone to give up on law because they bombed one test is elitist and ridiculous.

I agree. But with all the competition with getting in law schools, and in law period + To have a good career in law would mean for you to get in the best law school possible. So it's not hard to see why so many people would say that, especially one's that have had personal experiences. Yes, they have acquired the skill to get there, but it is also to make sure you have the right set of skills to have a job in law.

McJimJam · Post by **McJimJam** » Mon Oct 05, 2015 3:48 pm

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nlee10 · Post by **nlee10** » Mon Oct 05, 2015 3:49 pm

McJimJam wrote:Really enjoying this thread.

Nagster5 · Post by **Nagster5** » Mon Oct 05, 2015 3:59 pm

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HxAxDxExS · Post by **HxAxDxExS** » Mon Oct 05, 2015 4:08 pm

Nagster5 wrote:
AfrocentricAsian wrote:
HxAxDxExS wrote:
BCgirl wrote:
AfrocentricAsian wrote: Give me a break. You all got better at the test through the advice produced on this site. Stop acting like others can't do the same.
LOL what?
I don't think theres much this site can do for you on the LSAT. For law school, definitely, but on the LSAT? I mean it can give you some ideas of what to expect/how to go about them. To say that it does something for you that you wouldn't of done anyway is illogical (Results may be good or bad). Yes, you can get a high score and read on TLS, but you probably would've got that score anyway if you studied for it. (and don't say you studied on TLS)
Ok, you weren't recommended to reputable sources for lsat prep via this website (highly doubt it), that's besides the point. No one innately scores in the 170s-which means they acquired the skill to get there, which means recommending someone to give up on law because they bombed one test is elitist and ridiculous.
1. There's a big difference between innately scoring something and scoring it on the day of the administration.

2. There's a big difference between not scoring a 170 and not finishing half the test.

3. Advising people to pursue law in the current legal market when they clearly lack either the ability to research and prepare properly for such an important and learnable test or the capacity to perform well for whatever reason (lack of aptitude, intelligence, English mastery, etc.) even after substantial preparation is not being kind. It is setting them up to have a lot of debt, a degree that won't get them a decent paying job, or both.

4. The question is what would I do if I were OP. If I were OP, I would quit on law given that score. I'm not going to get into something I clearly have no aptitude for. I would find something I was better at. If he wants to be a lawyer no matter what, he's going to disregard that advice anyway so it's a net zero. If not, maybe what he needs to hear is that he's probably best off reconsidering law, especially given the cheating/completely honest and reasonable mistake anyone could make.

Exactly, especially when people eat, sleep, and breathe law school and the LSAT. These people still sometimes fail in law school for whatever reasons, so when all these users are dicks they would just rather be honest than set someone up for failure. Given that they know what it takes to actually become a lawyer. Also, what will these people do in law school, or after they graduate (If they do) You can study months or years for the LSAT, that is one exam, and as I mentioned an exam that is just to see you have the right capabilities. You have to thoroughly enjoy the work, and to be able to do that effectively, you have to have the right set of skills.

grizz20 · Post by **grizz20** » Mon Oct 05, 2015 5:12 pm

OP: I would talk to someone that specializes in this. I didn't read others' advice in this thread, but none of us really know what to do since we followed the rules.

The proctor did what he was supposed to, and you, unfortunately, did not. May have been innocent violation to you, but rules hurt both malicious and innocent violations.

Really sucks OP, but you need to get a hold of someone who can actually help you. They can give you better outcome scenarios. Best of luck

Nagster5 · Post by **Nagster5** » Mon Oct 05, 2015 5:14 pm

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Talarose · Post by **Talarose** » Mon Oct 05, 2015 5:14 pm

This is ridiculous.

ugg · Post by **ugg** » Mon Oct 05, 2015 5:16 pm

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