Should a HS senior take the LSAT in Sept? Forum

[thewaves]

Common wisdom says no, you shouldn't. But if you think you'll do well, go for it.

[McAvoy]

And, as has been mentioned, a JD/MBA is almost always a pretty bad idea, but for the sake of argument let's say you're going to gun for it: you realize every MBA program worth going to pretty much requires two years of work experience, right?

So, take the LSAT now + four years of college + two years of W/E = have to take LSAT again.

Thanks. But I plan to go to law school and med school right out of undergrad, or if I can't into med school, then just law school. Either way, I think I'm okay with the 5 year limit. I don't think I ever mentioned wanting to do JD/MBA.

RC Fail. But pot and scrubs for the summer, get 4.0s the next four semesters in some premed curriculum, then reassess and decide between med/law school. Dual degrees are generally stupid.

[BillPackets]

Op this isn't a fucking LSAT question. In real life people give broad advice when they think someome is misguided. If you disagree with the advice, fine.

Fair point, but you're a little touchy there, buddy?

Nah you're just getting real advice from ppl in the current market and you're acting crazy arrogant. And you're 17.

I, like others, hope this is a troll.

[mattsmith216]

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[SemperLegal]

OP, didn't you just take the SAT?

Took it twice. Oct 13 and Jan 14. Decent scores. Got free ride to state school. Got into some better schools but GPA not high enough to get sufficient merit scholarship.

Short story: Goof off most of high school. Decent but not great GPA. Decent SAT scores 1st time, and much better 2nd time after applying myself and studied. Don't want to goof off in college like I did in high school. Time to get serious. Trying to do a little planning. Looks like I'm in the wrong place.

There is no upside to taking your LSAT now because:

1. They expire
2. They don't take a lot of time to prep for the LSAT, so you wont gain anything.
3. You are going to be taking the test before having a chance to actually do real work (since you slacked in HS) so your RC will be lower than it will be in three years
4. There is a non-trivial chance that the LSAT will not be required if you do a joint degree. Many schools are moving away from it for MDs.
5. You can't be a doctor/lawyer anymore because its not a thing. However, you obviously want to have two sets of skills, so you should wait and see how Obamacare, the recession, and the your interests shape future choices. It might turn out that you would be better off as a JD/MPH or a JD/PharmD. Or as MPH/DO, etc.
6. If you have your LSAT on your record now, you are going to have to immediately apply to law school which is going to negatively affect your chances since you will have no expericences and will be boring. Its also going to be very hard to convince med schools that you have an interest in actually practicing.

Thank you. I will look into #4 and #5 and review the other points. And Obamacare is one reason why I like to get into a JD/MD program as I've heard from a few doctors and lawyers who work for small companies. A lot of gripe. A lot of information and misinformation. From the pro and anti Obamacare sides.

You won't be practicing for 4+3+4+4 years. Thats almost as long as you've been alive, and 6 years longer than anyone outside of Chicago heard of Obama. Its silly to tie yourself to that right now. In 14 years ACA could be commonplace (and not need lawyers), be overturned, or replaced with NHS.

Also, Yale and Dukes JD/MD programs are rip offs. No one is denying that.

[sundontshine]

So you're admittedly going to go to a bad undergrad school and likely a TTT law school? Why? Do you not understand how horrific the job market is right now? And how crippling $200,000+ of debt is?

I mean, I know that the answer is no because you are 17, but come on. And, yes, I know that wasn't your question. But when this many experienced people are honestly giving you the same life advice, you should listen.

[mattsmith216]

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[unodostres]

i hate you i really do

[jkhalfa]

Sounds like that dude's problems stem from his low diagnostic. We're not all drones just because there wasn't some silver bullet to pull his score up from a 145.

Feel free to take it up with him.

I read the rest of that guy's guide, and there was definitely some bitterness or resentment there. He had to work a lot harder than most people and couldn't raise his score through self-study (it took him like 6 months of studying + classes to get into the mid 160s, which is what many or most TLSers get as their diagnostics), so he decided all the people who self-study and forgo prep classes must have been duped into shilling for Powerscore and Mike Kim. Not exactly an accurate perspective of TLS.

Returning to the discussion at hand...

Why do you want to be a lawyer?

Why do you want to be a doctor?

Do you realize that--your unicorn uncle notwithstanding--you probably can't be a successful lawyer and a successful doctor at the same time, even if you get the degrees?

Do you know that most lawyers and doctors despise their jobs and don't make nearly as much money as people think?

[mattsmith216]

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[sopranorleone]

So you're admittedly going to go to a bad undergrad school and likely a TTT law school? Why? Do you not understand how horrific the job market is right now? And how crippling $200,000+ of debt is?

I mean, I know that the answer is no because you are 17, but come on. And, yes, I know that wasn't your question. But when this many experienced people are honestly giving you the same life advice, you should listen.

Okay... I guess I have to be a little more explicit. Don't consider the $200,000 debt. That's not a good assumption for my situation. It is just plain not relevant. Don't consider the law market. It is also not relevant. It might be to you and some people here, but not to me. No, I don't have rich parents, but I'm also not aiming for T14. I'm aiming for a school that I can get a free ride from.

And a school that also has an MD program. The one I have in mind is relatively inexpensive. That's my target. If I can't get into it at the right price, I won't. That doesn't mean I won't try it.

So again, I'm not asking if I should get there, I'm asking how can I get there, and specifically, when should I take the LSAT in light of having to take the MCAT at some point around the end of my junior year (after I've taken the relevant courses).

It seems like you already have an answer in mind and are just waiting for someone to confirm it.

I genuinely hope you come back and post here in 5-6 years to tell us what happened and how stupid we all were.

[CincinnatusND]

Don't take the LSAT in the fall. Wait until you are at least a junior. You will probably score higher anyways.

Have fun with your buddies before they head off to college. Have a summer fling. Do something worthwhile. The LSAT will be around whenever you get to it, and this should be one of the most fun times of your life.

Alternatively, do whatever the fuck you want because that's what you're going to do anyways. And you'd only be hurting yourself.

[NYSprague]

So you're admittedly going to go to a bad undergrad school and likely a TTT law school? Why? Do you not understand how horrific the job market is right now? And how crippling $200,000+ of debt is?

I mean, I know that the answer is no because you are 17, but come on. And, yes, I know that wasn't your question. But when this many experienced people are honestly giving you the same life advice, you should listen.

Okay... I guess I have to be a little more explicit. Don't consider the $200,000 debt. That's not a good assumption for my situation. It is just plain not relevant. Don't consider the law market. It is also not relevant. It might be to you and some people here, but not to me. No, I don't have rich parents, but I'm also not aiming for T14. I'm aiming for a school that I can get a free ride from.

And a school that also has an MD program. The one I have in mind is relatively inexpensive. That's my target. If I can't get into it at the right price, I won't. That doesn't mean I won't try it.

So again, I'm not asking if I should get there, I'm asking how can I get there, and specifically, when should I take the LSAT in light of having to take the MCAT at some point around the end of my junior year (after I've taken the relevant courses).

Ok. I have taken both exams. I took a year off after undergrad (science major)and worked in a hospital and realized that I had no interest in working with sick people for a number of reasons. I like an office job, not a medical job.

You can easily study for the MCAT in a fulltime summer or part time6 months. There was a website that has self study plans just like this one does for the LSAT. I do not recall the name. I would take the MCAT as a junior/ senior. I would take the LSAT the summer after college. My concern is the LSAT score will expire, making it a complete waste.

You might need to revise your school plan and not rush through undergrad. If I were doing medicine now, I would look at getting into any program that shortens medical school with undergrad- like a 5 year program. I would forget the JD part until after medical school. You can always get a JD.

You don't seem to want to listen to advice that goes against the plan you have created. This is an area that needs work because you need to learn to take advice from experienced people.

Also, I don't recommend anyone taking both exams. They are completely different. I just happen to do well at multiple choice exams, so it wasn't too stressful, and I was torn about what I wanted to do. It was a waste. I should have worked first and then decided.

I think you are way off on the wrong path but you stubbornly cling to it.

This is the best advice I have, so good luck kid in your future endeavors.

[mattsmith216]

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[mattsmith216]

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[CincinnatusND]

Why start this thread asking for everyone's advice when you know you aren't going to heed any of it anyways, Dr. Esquire?

[Legisperitus]

Ignoring whether or not this is a good plan, I would wait to take it OP, if for no other reason than the fact that less than 50% of premed students get into any med school at all. Self-confidence is good but you should go in with the realization that there's a good chance you might not get into med school at all, much less a JD/MD program. You can reevaluate your goals once you're in a better position to achieve them, and as other posters have said, it's entirely possible to study for the LSAT while you work or go to school if you start well in advance.

[Clyde Frog]

So you're an average high school student but you feel you're going to be able to not just get into med school, but also attend law school at the same time? I'll bet you bomb the first year of college then drop out and work at a Boost Mobile kiosk in the mall.

[hdunlop]

everyone's moving to metro.

this thread rules

[aboutmydaylight]

I want to believeeee.

[isuperserial]

Do whatever you want, because it won't matter until you learn how to be a respectful human being and frankly whatever shitty decision you do end up making is going to yield precisely what you deserve.

[Elston Gunn]

Do whatever you want, because it won't matter until you learn how to be a respectful human being and frankly whatever shitty decision you do end up making is going to yield precisely what you deserve.

TBF, being horribly arrogant and annoying is pretty much par for the course for 17 year olds. You've still got a shot to become a reasonably likable person, OP. We believe in you.

[jkhalfa]

So you're an average high school student but you feel you're going to be able to not just get into med school, but also attend law school at the same time? I'll bet you bomb the first year of college then drop out and work at a Boost Mobile kiosk in the mall.

I for one hope OP becomes the doctor-lawyer-firefighter-astronaut the Lord intended him to be.

[mattsmith216]

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[prezidentv8]

Ok, so in case this is real . . .

It's not. There's just no way.

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ETA:

Again, thanks to all those who tried to telling me not to do JD/MD. And I might not end up doing it. But that's my goal at the moment.

I may not be the brightest crayon in the box, but I literally just read this whole thread and I still don't understand the "why" part of this goal. And I can only imagine like two situations where that goal might conceivably be appropriate.

But this isn't real, anyway, right bros?