AAMPLE Program at Florida Coastal School of Law Forum

[dpham01]

Hi Guys,

I was wondering if anyone has gone thru an aample program or is considering the aample program. If you can shed some information on whether this is a good idea or not that would be great.

Thx!

[1337Law]

Hi Guys,

I was wondering if anyone has gone thru an aample program or is considering the aample program. If you can shed some information on whether this is a good idea or not that would be great.

Thx!

DISCLAIMER: THIS IS NOT AN ELITEST/CRUEL POST, to the point that cooley might be > florida coastal

nothing at florida coastal school of law is worth anything ... do not attend this school, or take part in anything associated with it, it is a smoldering piece of crap scam of an institution...i'm telling you, stay far away from florida coastal

[atanksley]

If I may ask, why is Florida Coast School of Law so bad?

[nealric]

I've heard that the AAMPLE program has an extremely low success rate (like 5-10%).

Given that you have to pay a decent amount of money to attend it, it seems that you would get much more bang for the buck by studying more and retaking the LSAT.

[SueZkay]

Actually the passage rate has gone up. I know that about 50% of the face to face Summer AAMPLE I took this summer (me included) passed. I also heard feedback about a good amount of online AAMPLE people passing this summer too - remember you all can pass and you all can fail - it depends on how much of your life you're willing to put on hold to dive right in and apply yourself to this material.

[LAWYER2]

When I inquired about the AAMPLE program I was immediately turned off by low passage rates. It was about 20-30% at a cost of 3 grand plus. The other poster is correct, that money could be better spent on test prep.
But to answer your question you are required to achieve a 2.0 or higher while taking 3L level classes. If you're up to it, go for it, but I would just tackle that LSAT again.
Be prepared to get the usual TLS flames on Florida Coastal

[Lucidity]

If I may ask, why is Florida Coast School of Law so bad?

There are what, 10 law schools in Florida? Of those 10 law schools, Florida Coastal is one of the bottom feeders. The school is a huge scam. They offer generous scholarships with grade stipulations and lure the misguided into the belief that if they "tried hard enough" they can be at the tipytop of the class despite their below average lsat/gpa. Problem is, EVERYONE thinks this, and by the simple laws of mathematics not everyone can be at the top. This means that plenty of people will lose their scholarships, and be stuck paying sticker, or forced to drop out. Just look at their attrition rate and compare it to any respectable school. 1 in 4 of their 1L class will drop out.

It's shady practices like this that earns them their shit reputation. They lure the naive and idealistic who have no business in attending law school into their degree mill and suck their wallets dry. Even those that graduate and do well from Florida Coastal have to compete in a market that is more than adequately served by the numerous higher ranked schools in the state. Oh, and theres this small business of a crappy economy thats given the legal profession a massive black eye to deal with.

[Grizz]

11 FL law schools.

[northwood]

theres another thread on this topic....

but why florida coastal???? a diploma from there is as credited as a diploma from a cracker jack box, and my aplologies to cracker jack.

dont mean to be so rude, but florida coastal is a for profit school. They only care about making sure your tuition check clears, not about your job prospects, or your financial life after graduation. ( Same as with cooley)

[LAWYER2]

theres another thread on this topic....

but why florida coastal???? a diploma from there is as credited as a diploma from a cracker jack box, and my aplologies to cracker jack.

dont mean to be so rude, but florida coastal is a for profit school. They only care about making sure your tuition check clears, not about your job prospects, or your financial life after graduation. ( Same as with cooley)

Can you tell me how exactly you know this to be the case?

[kalvano]

theres another thread on this topic....

but why florida coastal???? a diploma from there is as credited as a diploma from a cracker jack box, and my aplologies to cracker jack.

dont mean to be so rude, but florida coastal is a for profit school. They only care about making sure your tuition check clears, not about your job prospects, or your financial life after graduation. ( Same as with cooley)

Can you tell me how exactly you know this to be the case?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:F ... d_colleges

[romothesavior]

Do not go to Coastal.

[northwood]

lawyer 2. I want to practice in FLorida ( my family lives there) so i talked to every school in florida to help me formulate a plan ( UF FSU are my targets). When I called coastal to get more information there, i was forwarded to an admissions rep. The admissions rep told me that the school is a for profit. HUGE RED FLAG.

[miamiman]

I guess ill go it alone in recommending both aample and fcls.

Bunch of chicken littles on tls obvs.

[Grizz]

I guess ill go it alone in recommending both aample and fcls.

Bunch of chicken littles on tls obvs.

Why not go to Nova or Barry?

[miamiman]

I guess ill go it alone in recommending both aample and fcls.

Bunch of chicken littles on tls obvs.

Why not go to Nova or Barry?

I never said you shouldn't.

[gwuorbust]

Consider Nova or Barry before Coastal, I hear they have international law programs

[TTTTransfer]

Yeah, I know Coastal grads making less than $30k (this is AFTER passing the bar). Graduating from Coastal offers you promises of being a debt collection attorney, parking ticket negotiator (I'm not kidding), and party planner (all real jobs Coastal grads have that I personally know who passed the Florida bar).

While the Professors at Coastal are really nice, they are completely oblivious to the reality that their students will be drowning in debt and struggling to stay afloat when they graduate. The administration is callous to the plight of the students; for example, the curve is so low at Coastal that when I was there I was in the top 4% of my class, but with my GPA, I would BARELY have qualified for graduating with honors (cum laude). At UF, I believe cum laude starts at around top 20-25% of the class. Therefore, not only are Coastal grads coming out of a Tier 4 school that has a bad reputation, almost none of their grads seem to have stellar credentials, because their GPAs are lower than UF (and FSU), and no one is an honor grad. The only reasoning I can surmise for this is that Coastal's admissions department entices students by telling them that they only have to maintain a 3.0 to keep their scholarship, while omitting the fact that 3.0 is top 25% or so; therefore, Coastal can entice more students AND not pay out nearly as much scholarship money to 75% of upperclassmen not making the cut.

I feel really terrible for the people attending FCSL, because the market is completely saturated, and even some of my peers at UF are nervous about job prospects. Coastal literally is only interested in increasing profits at the expense of its student body. I was one of the few lucky ones to transfer out to greener pastures, but 95% do not, AND they lose their scholarship because the curve is so low.

The economy sucks, and even if it gets better, there is just not going to be a sudden and urgent need for a massive influx of lawyers - there are already far too many.

If you're thinking about Coastal, just re-take the LSAT until you get into a T1 school in the area in which you would like to practice, because trust me:
A LAW DEGREE FROM FLORIDA COASTAL SCHOOL OF LOL IS NOT A GOLDEN TICKET TO THE GOOD LIFE!

[frescodecacao]

Yeah, I know Coastal grads making less than $30k (this is AFTER passing the bar). Graduating from Coastal offers you promises of being a debt collection attorney, parking ticket negotiator (I'm not kidding), and party planner (all real jobs Coastal grads have that I personally know who passed the Florida bar).

While the Professors at Coastal are really nice, they are completely oblivious to the reality that their students will be drowning in debt and struggling to stay afloat when they graduate. The administration is callous to the plight of the students; for example, the curve is so low at Coastal that when I was there I was in the top 4% of my class, but with my GPA, I would BARELY have qualified for graduating with honors (cum laude). At UF, I believe cum laude starts at around top 20-25% of the class. Therefore, not only are Coastal grads coming out of a Tier 4 school that has a bad reputation, almost none of their grads seem to have stellar credentials, because their GPAs are lower than UF (and FSU), and no one is an honor grad. The only reasoning I can surmise for this is that Coastal's admissions department entices students by telling them that they only have to maintain a 3.0 to keep their scholarship, while omitting the fact that 3.0 is top 25% or so; therefore, Coastal can entice more students AND not pay out nearly as much scholarship money to 75% of upperclassmen not making the cut.

I feel really terrible for the people attending FCSL, because the market is completely saturated, and even some of my peers at UF are nervous about job prospects. Coastal literally is only interested in increasing profits at the expense of its student body. I was one of the few lucky ones to transfer out to greener pastures, but 95% do not, AND they lose their scholarship because the curve is so low.

The economy sucks, and even if it gets better, there is just not going to be a sudden and urgent need for a massive influx of lawyers - there are already far too many.

If you're thinking about Coastal, just re-take the LSAT until you get into a T1 school in the area in which you would like to practice, because trust me:
A LAW DEGREE FROM FLORIDA COASTAL SCHOOL OF LOL IS NOT A GOLDEN TICKET TO THE GOOD LIFE!

I couldn't have put it into better words than this person just did. I just dropped out of Florida Coastal. I couldn't even finish the semester. I received 3 Fs and 2 Ds on my midterms, not to mention all Fs on my Legal Writing assignments so far.

part of it is my heart not being in this, part of it is the quality of teaching, but most if it is bad luck. This place is like Vegas. You're basically throwing your money into a roulette hoping you'll be that person that falls into the top grade distribution. They let 700 people into my 1L class this yr. and they gave scholarships to basically EVERYONE I asked. Something is wrong with that picture. they distribute between 15 - 20 As - B+s, 50 - 70 Bs - Cs, and 15 to 20 C-s to Fs. But the bottom line is this is a huge scamming casino. not a law school. the professors, at least the ones i had, are either unqualified, as someone else said, ego tripping, uncaring, uninterested, and or all of the above. i don't even know where to start with the quality of education i received here. i couldn't take a minute longer of it. i had to leave town immediately. DONT COME HERE. i had read posts like this about FCSL but i didnt heed warnings. i was so desperate to come to law school. so stubborn. i wish id believed others, but i guess i had to learn the hard way. now ill be paying back this debt. however, best decision i could have made. the market is tough. i dont want law bad enough to retake the lsat. im not sure if my chances will be helped at another law school. im worried the quality of students there and faculty will not be much better. im afraid this is a system i am not prepared for or cut out for.

[Veyron]

Danger, Will Robinson, danger!

[Deuce]

I guess ill go it alone in recommending both aample and fcls.

Bunch of chicken littles on tls obvs.

Why not go to Nova or Barry?

[Billfins]

I wouldn't buy into the whole premise of negativity towards Florida Coastal. If you want to go to FCSL, who actually destroyed UF and FSU for a long time in bar passage rates, then do your own research. In fact talk to attorney's in Florida who attended Florida or FSU and they'll tell you that Florida Coastal is a good school. Just about every law school in the country, be it Harvard, Emory or Yale, literally teach the same material. When you get out of law school the first thing you will notice is that after one year of practice no one really cares where you went. One more fact worth mentioning: It's easier to stay in Harvard, FSU, Emory, and Florida than it is Florida Coastal. This is because the curve at Florida Coastal is a 2.3-2.5 and the curve at Florida is/was a 3.0. In fact some tier-one law schools (Tier system based on tenure) don't even have a grade system. One of the reasons why schools like to accept transfers from Florida Coastal is because Florida Coastal has a good name. Do your own research and remember law school is not for everyone.

[Grizz]

I wouldn't buy into the whole premise of negativity towards Florida Coastal. If you want to go to FCSL, who actually destroyed UF and FSU for a long time in bar passage rates, then do your own research. In fact talk to attorney's in Florida who attended Florida or FSU and they'll tell you that Florida Coastal is a good school. Just about every law school in the country, be it Harvard, Emory or Yale, literally teach the same material. When you get out of law school the first thing you will notice is that after one year of practice no one really cares where you went. One more fact worth mentioning: It's easier to stay in Harvard, FSU, Emory, and Florida than it is Florida Coastal. This is because the curve at Florida Coastal is a 2.3-2.5 and the curve at Florida is/was a 3.0. In fact some tier-one law schools (Tier system based on tenure) don't even have a grade system. One of the reasons why schools like to accept transfers from Florida Coastal is because Florida Coastal has a good name. Do your own research and remember law school is not for everyone.

1) Bar passage does not guarantee a job
2) The attys. I know in FL from FSU and UF not so subtly rag on Coastal and talk about how it will lead to unemployment
3) They all teach the same material, but why do Yale grads get better jobs? PRESTIGE
4) If you don't get a first job (very real possibility for even UF/FSU students), you will never get a chance to move up in the legal world
5) Why Coastal being easier to flunk out of a plus? lol
6) From the transfer threads around here, schools don't like Coastal transfers. Incidentally, people from 7 other schools in FL want to transfer from UF to FSU, you're gonna need to be the top of the class.

CHECK YOU RESEARCH

[romothesavior]

I wouldn't buy into the whole premise of negativity towards Florida Coastal. If you want to go to FCSL, who actually destroyed UF and FSU for a long time in bar passage rates, then do your own research. In fact talk to attorney's in Florida who attended Florida or FSU and they'll tell you that Florida Coastal is a good school. Just about every law school in the country, be it Harvard, Emory or Yale, literally teach the same material. When you get out of law school the first thing you will notice is that after one year of practice no one really cares where you went. One more fact worth mentioning: It's easier to stay in Harvard, FSU, Emory, and Florida than it is Florida Coastal. This is because the curve at Florida Coastal is a 2.3-2.5 and the curve at Florida is/was a 3.0. In fact some tier-one law schools (Tier system based on tenure) don't even have a grade system. One of the reasons why schools like to accept transfers from Florida Coastal is because Florida Coastal has a good name. Do your own research and remember law school is not for everyone.

Just utterly stupid. You do realize there are students in the top of their class at UF/FSU looking frantically for jobs right now, right?

But yeah, I'm sure Florida firms would love to dip down and hire a big handful of students from one of the seemingly dozens of toilet schools in Florida.

[ResolutePear]

The only schools worth going to in Florida are UF and FSU. UM and Stetson if you *really* *really* love law and you're already made.

Most of FIU undergrad also thinks that FIU-law is #1 in the state - random sampling ftw? Most figure that higher bar passage rates automatically confers higher rank. I would imagine coastal also dupes people like this. Unlike Coastal though, FIU costs ~4x less.

Don't worry about it - by coming here.. you dodged the bullet.