Is TLS no longer bullish on WUSTL? Forum

[chuckbass]

As an 0L, I was wondering (hoping) if the WUSTL '17 was a perfect storm of all the negative stereotypes of law school coming together?

Yes. Personally I think the big problem is that you've basically got a big group of T14ish students, either a couple of LSAT points below T14 or got into T14 and took the $$$ instead, but then half the job prospects or less. The just lends itself to a more cutthroat and dramatic environment I think.

[A. Nony Mouse]

As an 0L, I was wondering (hoping) if the WUSTL '17 was a perfect storm of all the negative stereotypes of law school coming together?

It's so weird because '15 and '16 seem chill as fuck. I was part of the '16 and '17 cycles.

It could just be luck of the draw. I didn't go to WUSTL, but my class was pretty chill, and the class of 1Ls when I was a 3L were chill, but the 1Ls who came in while I was a 2L...not so much. Faculty actually commented on it. (Of course, it's all relative - that class probably thinks mine was full of slacker idiots.)

[hoos89]

As an 0L, I was wondering (hoping) if the WUSTL '17 was a perfect storm of all the negative stereotypes of law school coming together?

C/O 2017 has a certain...reputation. There are plenty of good reasons to not go to WUSTL, but I wouldn't let that one in particular deter you if it otherwise makes sense for you to go.

[Mack.Hambleton]

I think the main problem was last couple years TLS was advising out of region people to take WUSTL with big money

[chuckbass]

I think the main problem was last couple years TLS was advising out of region people to take WUSTL with big money

How would this affect the class in such a manner though? Are you saying east and west coasters are unchill?

[Mack.Hambleton]

I wasn't referring to the class, just why TLS isnt as high on WUSTL anymore (that people sort of forgot it was still a regional school because of big scholarships/prestigious undergrad etc)

[chuckbass]

I wasn't referring to the class, just why TLS isnt as high on WUSTL anymore (that people sort of forgot it was still a regional school because of big scholarships/prestigious undergrad etc)

Oh sorry, 2am posting whoops.

[El Pollito]

As an 0L, I was wondering (hoping) if the WUSTL '17 was a perfect storm of all the negative stereotypes of law school coming together?

Yes. Personally I think the big problem is that you've basically got a big group of T14ish students, either a couple of LSAT points below T14 or got into T14 and took the $$$ instead, but then half the job prospects or less. The just lends itself to a more cutthroat and dramatic environment I think.

[06102016]

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[hoos89]

Also you guys are morons if you think cheating is unique to WUSTL. Maybe WUSTLers are just dumb enough to get caught this frequently.

Has not been an issue before this past year. I also heard that part of what annoyed people was the way the administration handled it, but haven't really gotten details.

I wasn't referring to the class, just why TLS isnt as high on WUSTL anymore (that people sort of forgot it was still a regional school because of big scholarships/prestigious undergrad etc)

2 years ago WUSTL gave full rides to pretty much everyone with a 166. It was by far the best option for a lot of people that year. Also most of WUSTL's employment is out of state; I don't think regional is quite accurate. They're obviously still well below the T14 in placement, national or otherwise, but when the price tag is about $200k lower (between scholarship and CoL), it often makes sense.

[Serett]

Say what you will about WUSTL, but you can't beat its Class of 2017 renovations.

[El Pollito]

As an 0L, I was wondering (hoping) if the WUSTL '17 was a perfect storm of all the negative stereotypes of law school coming together?

Yes. Personally I think the big problem is that you've basically got a big group of T14ish students, either a couple of LSAT points below T14 or got into T14 and took the $$$ instead, but then half the job prospects or less. The just lends itself to a more cutthroat and dramatic environment I think.

[starry eyed]

I can't be alone in thinking that WUSTL has limited traveling ability and is mostly a mistake no matter the circumstances. Say you're from Oregon or Mississippi and want to work there too, I highly doubt that hiring partners in Oregon or MS will choose a hometown WUSTL grad over a Lewis and Clark or Ole Miss grad. Most markets are insular as fuck; people like hiring people that are like themselves.

In the above case, the WUSTL guy has a much better shot at NYC biglaw but there's way less than a 50% chance of that happening. So if he doesn't get NYC biglaw, now he's at a disadvantage no matter where he wants to work. Even median at Ole Miss will beat median at WUSTL for someone who wants to work in MS bc grades don't really matter(for non-biglaw) at that level. It's all about fit.

Basically T14 or go to a school in the region where you want to work and preferably have ties to. WUSTL is gambling man's school.

[chuckbass]

As an 0L, I was wondering (hoping) if the WUSTL '17 was a perfect storm of all the negative stereotypes of law school coming together?

Yes. Personally I think the big problem is that you've basically got a big group of T14ish students, either a couple of LSAT points below T14 or got into T14 and took the $$$ instead, but then half the job prospects or less. The just lends itself to a more cutthroat and dramatic environment I think.

[hoos89]

I can't be alone in thinking that WUSTL has limited traveling ability and is mostly a mistake no matter the circumstances. Say you're from Oregon or Mississippi and want to work there too, I highly doubt that hiring partners in Oregon or MS will choose a hometown WUSTL grad over a Lewis and Clark or Ole Miss grad. Most markets are insular as fuck; people like hiring people that are like themselves.

In the above case, the WUSTL guy has a much better shot at NYC biglaw but there's way less than a 50% chance of that happening. So if he doesn't get NYC biglaw, now he's at a disadvantage no matter where he wants to work. Even median at Ole Miss will beat median at WUSTL for someone who wants to work in MS bc grades don't really matter(for non-biglaw) at that level. It's all about fit.

Basically T14 or go to a school in the region where you want to work and preferably have ties to. WUSTL is gambling man's school.

I didn't realize that the options were either NYC or Mississippi/Oregon. Getting big law out of WUSTL isn't a cake walk, but the downside of striking out when you're paying $0 in tuition and paying ~$400-600/month in rent is a lot less than when you're paying full tuition somewhere else. Taking sticker at the lower T14 is a far bigger gamble than a full ride at WUSTL. And don't forget that 2 years ago people were getting full rides who didn't even get into the T14 (pretty much anyone with a 166+), so their next best option might be a 1/4 scholarship at GWU or something.

[chuckbass]

I can't be alone in thinking that WUSTL has limited traveling ability and is mostly a mistake no matter the circumstances. Say you're from Oregon or Mississippi and want to work there too, I highly doubt that hiring partners in Oregon or MS will choose a hometown WUSTL grad over a Lewis and Clark or Ole Miss grad. Most markets are insular as fuck; people like hiring people that are like themselves.

In the above case, the WUSTL guy has a much better shot at NYC biglaw but there's way less than a 50% chance of that happening. So if he doesn't get NYC biglaw, now he's at a disadvantage no matter where he wants to work. Even median at Ole Miss will beat median at WUSTL for someone who wants to work in MS bc grades don't really matter(for non-biglaw) at that level. It's all about fit.

Basically T14 or go to a school in the region where you want to work and preferably have ties to. WUSTL is gambling man's school.

I didn't realize that the options were either NYC or Mississippi/Oregon. Getting big law out of WUSTL isn't a cake walk, but the downside of striking out when you're paying $0 in tuition and paying ~$400-600/month in rent is a lot less than when you're paying full tuition at somewhere else. Taking sticker at the lower T14 is a far bigger gamble than a full ride at WUSTL.

Plus, I think starry eyed is a bit off base (shockingly enough) and WUSTL does a good job of putting people back into their home markets.

[hoos89]

He's probably right that a Mississippi native who is median at WUSTL will be at a disadvantage versus a Mississippi native who is median at Ole Miss when it comes to landing Big Jackson Law, but that's kind of a straw man in the first place.

[adil91]

If WUSTL didn't have ND as a competitor in MidWestwern regional markets it might have much better employment stats. It would be the Vandy of the midwest

[chuckbass]

If WUSTL didn't have ND as a competitor in MidWestwern regional markets it might have much better employment stats. It would be the Vandy of the midwest

Meh. ND is weird in that the catholic thing plays a big part in their placement (clerkships for example)

[chingwoo]

If WUSTL didn't have ND as a competitor in MidWestwern regional markets it might have much better employment stats. It would be the Vandy of the midwest

I'd think Michigan/NW/Chi are more of an issue for WUSTL. Theres not alot of good schools near Vandy.

[PourMeTea]

I think it's becoming very obvious that WUSTL is a fantastic choice for people who couldn't quite get t14 to take a full ride for a year and then transfer to the school they wanted in the first place

[sublime]

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[Outis Onoma]

I think it's becoming very obvious that WUSTL is a fantastic choice for people who couldn't quite get t14 to take a full ride for a year and then transfer to the school they wanted in the first place

Don't really understand the benefit of transferring to a T14 and paying shitloads. Not like you're going to get the benefit of a T14 at oci. Employers are still going to see you as a WUSTLer.

[georgej]

I had a great time at wustl as a 1l. None of the scandals affected me, and I made some really great relationships with faculty. But the atmosphere suffers from an inferiority complex, and not everyone is as chill and down to earth as, e.g., sublime and has the nerves to just reap massive benefits at zero cost. I think sublime's class actually didn't have the same atmosphere the same as class of '17 has. Anyway, I'm just trying to put out there that wustl can be pretty cool if you keep cool. If you are at all a striver, though, the allure of an easy transfer will get you damn near every time if you're around the right group of people.

Just got back from the budweiser factory, so this might be incoherent. Gonna go eat an imo's pizza now, ttyl.