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[M.M.]

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[acr]

Unfortunately, there is no way around this. It sucks, I know, but the schools only care about your cumulative GPA and every single grade you've ever received must be reported in this.

A concise addendum that doesn't make excuses but explains the F might help your chances.

[Helioze]

You could petition your school to get it off your transcript completely.

This strat works best if you know someone in the office/contact the professor who taught the class.

[M.M.]

You could petition your school to get it off your transcript completely.

This strat works best if you know someone in the office/contact the professor who taught the class.

I was considering this as my best option. Unfortunately the professor who taught the class is the least "human" of any professor I've ever had; he's literally like some savant-robot and as such I really doubt he'd have any empathy. And I don't really know anyone ... But I'll give it a try. God knows it's worth it. So upsetting.

[M.M.]

Bumping this ... because I'm a bit desperate honestly ... hope you guys don't mind ...

[bound]

Bumping this ... because I'm a bit desperate honestly ... hope you guys don't mind ...

There really isn't a way around it if you can't get a non-punitive withdrawl.

[Big Dog]

In terms of sheer rankings it looks like this is going to drop me about 10 positions which is pretty irritating because otherwise I'd be a good candidate for T14 and I can't believe that such a mistake is going to have such profound repercussions.

Yup, one F will cost you about a tenth of a grade point in overall GPA.

Is there any way to rectify this?.... for T14...

Absent a petition to completely remove the F from your transcript, rock the LSAT. Get a score above a T14 median.

[twenty]

Medical withdrawals sometimes work. Schools are getting more and more antagonistic about that, though. :/

[M.M.]

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[M.M.]

In terms of sheer rankings it looks like this is going to drop me about 10 positions which is pretty irritating because otherwise I'd be a good candidate for T14 and I can't believe that such a mistake is going to have such profound repercussions.

Yup, one F will cost you about a tenth of a grade point in overall GPA.

Is there any way to rectify this?.... for T14...

Absent a petition to completely remove the F from your transcript, rock the LSAT. Get a score above a T14 median.

Thank you for your reply ... what do you think are the chances I could get the F removed?

[twenty]

Medical withdrawals sometimes work. Schools are getting more and more antagonistic about that, though. :/

It's been a couple years since I dropped the class... and I didn't leave it for medical reasons. Think there's any chance due to those two factors? E.g. I'd be lying and doing it years late lol ... I wouldn't consider it immoral because I'd classify it as a "white lie" right now anyway, but I feel like it wouldn't work (if I'm guessing right at what a medical wirthdrawal is)

1) lying for the purposes of a medical withdrawal without having a legitimate medical reason is not a "white lie"
2) your school will probably call you on it and you'll be kind of fucked
3) perjury is a bad idea

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[MistakenGenius]

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[Ti Malice]

Medical withdrawals sometimes work. Schools are getting more and more antagonistic about that, though. :/

It's been a couple years since I dropped the class... and I didn't leave it for medical reasons. Think there's any chance due to those two factors? E.g. I'd be lying and doing it years late lol ... I wouldn't consider it immoral because I'd classify it as a "white lie" right now anyway, but I feel like it wouldn't work (if I'm guessing right at what a medical wirthdrawal is)

That's neat that you've come up with this little trick to make yourself feel alright about egregiously unethical behavior.

You're correct that it wouldn't work. If your school were somehow so unbelievably lax as to grant your petition without real proof, rest assured that C&F wouldn't be. They'll demand contemporaneous proof. When you can't produce it, you're fucked. You might have a JD -- if your law school doesn't rescind it -- but you'll never be admitted to the bar.

In conclusion, suck it up and deal with it. Loads of people face dings to their GPAs for reasons far more sympathetic/compelling than yours.

[M.M.]

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[A. Nony Mouse]

But you didn't finish the class and you didn't get a B. And now you have to live with that. Doesn't matter how ridiculous LSAC's policy is. You know the policy and getting around it would be lying no matter whether LSAC's policy makes sense. You're in the same position as a gazillion other people who've had to suck it up and deal with the consequences of bad grades, for whatever reason. You need to get over it.

[whitespider]

We all "slip up" and have "minor failures". I took a CC class when I was 13 (because I was a stupid kid who thought I was a genius) and got a shitty grade.

Guess what, it's part of my LSAC GPA.

Am I happy about it? Of course not.

You live, you learn and you move on.

[Big Dog]

No problem, I thought, because my university has a policy wherein if you retake a class

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Looked at another way, why should LSAC be bound by your college's policy? (Hint: every college has a different policy. Hint 2: not all colleges allow grade replacement.)

Or, to be fair to the other candidates who don't have grade replacement, why should you be able to avail yourself of it?

Of course, if LSAC adopted grade replacement, the gunners would be repeating B's at the local juco to raise their LSAC GPA. What would result is grade compression. Hence, the mean matriculant at GULC would be a 3.9+.

[rpupkin]

Unfortunately, there is no way around this. It sucks, I know, but the schools only care about your cumulative GPA and every single grade you've ever received must be reported in this.

A concise addendum that doesn't make excuses but explains the F might help your chances.

In rare cases, an addendum explaining a bad grade might help a little. But considering the OP's attitude and perspective regarding this particular situation, I think that an addendum here is a poor idea.

[M.M.]

But you didn't finish the class and you didn't get a B. And now you have to live with that. Doesn't matter how ridiculous LSAC's policy is. You know the policy and getting around it would be lying no matter whether LSAC's policy makes sense. You're in the same position as a gazillion other people who've had to suck it up and deal with the consequences of bad grades, for whatever reason. You need to get over it.

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[rpupkin]

But you didn't finish the class and you didn't get a B. And now you have to live with that. Doesn't matter how ridiculous LSAC's policy is. You know the policy and getting around it would be lying no matter whether LSAC's policy makes sense. You're in the same position as a gazillion other people who've had to suck it up and deal with the consequences of bad grades, for whatever reason. You need to get over it.

I've admitted that it's lying, I'm just saying it isn't immoral much less "egregious." Just because a system fails a large group of people and one person finds a way around that failure, making a measure of their merit more valid than it would've been if they accepted the failing of the system doesn't mean it's immoral.

I'm with you dude. I misbubbled the last seven answers of an LSAT section, thus knocking me down to a 168 and out of T14 consideration. I totally knew the answers; it was just a stupid bubbling mistake that had nothing to do with my actual ability. So I found a way around the problem by paying an LSAT employee $10,000 to change my score to a 175. It's not immoral because the reason for my low score (misbubbling) was arbitrary and not reflective of my actual ability. My updated score better measured my merit and was thus more valid.

[Caesar Salad]

I've admitted that it's lying, I'm just saying it isn't immoral much less "egregious." Just because a system fails a large group of people and one person finds a way around that failure, making a measure of their merit more valid than it would've been if they accepted the failing of the system doesn't mean it's immoral. Though I feel like I should add the disclaimer that I never planned on doing it anyway, since that's how some are acting. And lastly, I really do find the general nonchalant attitude toward dropping ~10 spots in the rankings over something so stupid to be incredibly inconsistent with TLS' general "T14 or bust" attitude. "Oh you just lost the possibility of getting into the T14 because of something that can only be spuriously linked to your actual merit as an academic and potential law student, but shit happens, just get right over it" - yeah, right. Anyway if anyone wants to reply that isn't discussing about something I never intended to do feel free, otherwise this is my last post on the subject.

Not commenting on whether or not you would have considered doing this if you had thought it would be successful. Your reasoning in defending that action is problematic though. You have to be able to see how this is a pretty black/white ethical situation. Lying is bad m'kay?

[M.M.]

But you didn't finish the class and you didn't get a B. And now you have to live with that. Doesn't matter how ridiculous LSAC's policy is. You know the policy and getting around it would be lying no matter whether LSAC's policy makes sense. You're in the same position as a gazillion other people who've had to suck it up and deal with the consequences of bad grades, for whatever reason. You need to get over it.

I've admitted that it's lying, I'm just saying it isn't immoral much less "egregious." Just because a system fails a large group of people and one person finds a way around that failure, making a measure of their merit more valid than it would've been if they accepted the failing of the system doesn't mean it's immoral.

I'm with you dude. I misbubbled the last seven answers of an LSAT section, thus knocking me down to a 168 and out of T14 consideration. I totally knew the answers; it was just a stupid bubbling mistake that had nothing to do with my actual ability. So I found a way around the problem by paying an LSAT employee $10,000 to change my score to a 175. It's not immoral because the reason for my low score (misbubbling) was arbitrary and not reflective of my actual ability. My updated score better measured my merit and was thus more valid.

You realize LSAC claims they'll change your LSAT score via hand grading for a small fee if it was obvious that you misbubbled answers, right?

[Big Dog]

I really do find the general nonchalant attitude toward dropping ~10 spots in the rankings over something so stupid to be incredibly inconsistent with TLS' general "T14 or bust" attitude. "Oh you just lost the possibility of getting into the T14 because of something that can only be spuriously linked to your actual merit as an academic and potential law student,

Eventually, you will grow to learn that when you write rules, you have to draw the line somewhere. Yes, it sucks to be on the wrong side of the line, but so are hundreds of other applicants. (Think of all those high schoolers that get roped into dual enrollment courses and then get senior-itis.)

But your whining falls on deaf ears bcos your GPA is <50% of admissions. The LSAT is the other half, and a bigger half at that, outside of say, Boalt. So, your claim that you are kept out of a T14 because of one grade is bogus. (You should have 30+ other grades on your transcript.) If you are indeed not eligible for the T14, it will be due to your <170 test score, not one bad grade.

[MistakenGenius]

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