How crucial are "ties"? Forum

(Please Ask Questions and Answer Questions)
Post Reply
User avatar
Sls17

Bronze
Posts: 146
Joined: Fri Jul 18, 2014 5:31 pm

How crucial are "ties"?

Post by Sls17 » Sun Aug 03, 2014 8:15 pm

As a long-time TLS lurker, I am constantly reading about the importance of developing ties to the place where you want to work, whether it's being from there, having family there, or choosing a school in that area.

In my situation, I have no ties anywhere I would want to be. The state where I grew up, went to undergrad, and where my family lives is not a state with a thriving legal market or any major opportunities in what I want to do.

I'm going to be at SLS so I'm hoping the national name and top three status will help me out. Still, should I be worried about this? How much do ties really matter?

Any insight on this would be appreciated!
Last edited by Sls17 on Sun Mar 08, 2015 1:04 am, edited 1 time in total.

User avatar
Louis1127

Silver
Posts: 817
Joined: Thu Jun 27, 2013 9:12 pm

Re: How crucial are "ties"?

Post by Louis1127 » Sun Aug 03, 2014 8:24 pm

Ties are important in the south, I'm sure someone else will chime in about the non-south.

09042014

Diamond
Posts: 18203
Joined: Wed Oct 14, 2009 10:47 pm

Re: How crucial are "ties"?

Post by 09042014 » Sun Aug 03, 2014 9:08 pm

Louis1127 wrote:Ties are important in the south, I'm sure someone else will chime in about the non-south.
You gotta wear a tie everywhere except Quinn.


User avatar
Sls17

Bronze
Posts: 146
Joined: Fri Jul 18, 2014 5:31 pm

Re: How crucial are "ties"?

Post by Sls17 » Mon Aug 04, 2014 12:03 am

Ah sorry, I didn't realize this question has been so thoroughly discussed elsewhere. I should have searched first!

Thank you!

User avatar
Yea All Right

Silver
Posts: 579
Joined: Tue Nov 26, 2013 6:27 pm

Re: How crucial are "ties"?

Post by Yea All Right » Mon Aug 04, 2014 1:37 am

I'm guessing that TLS will tell you that with the Stanford brand on your resume + reasonable social skills, you should be fine in whatever market you want to go into, assuming it's not very ties-sensitive like Texas or the South. Be able to articulate good reasons why you want to work in that area though.

User avatar
baal hadad

Gold
Posts: 3167
Joined: Sun Jul 20, 2014 2:57 pm

Re: How crucial are "ties"?

Post by baal hadad » Mon Aug 04, 2014 2:20 am

Ties are crucial for interviews

I recommend a red power tie

AndrewDean

New
Posts: 3
Joined: Thu Mar 13, 2008 2:43 pm

Re: How crucial are "ties"?

Post by AndrewDean » Mon Aug 04, 2014 4:39 pm

You can always form ties - and school is a good place to do it. Yes, it will set you back not to have connections - but this is true in any field.

User avatar
First Offense

Platinum
Posts: 7091
Joined: Thu Sep 12, 2013 5:45 pm

Re: How crucial are "ties"?

Post by First Offense » Mon Aug 04, 2014 4:56 pm

Propose to women in each city in which you want to work. After interviews, when you decide which market you want, dump all but that one.

Nomo

Silver
Posts: 700
Joined: Thu Feb 27, 2014 2:06 am

Re: How crucial are "ties"?

Post by Nomo » Mon Aug 04, 2014 5:14 pm

One thing to consider is that bigger firms with gigantic institutional clients are not going to care as much about ties as smaller or mid-sized firms that want you to start bringing in clients early. As a Stanford student you should do just fine with mega firms in California or New York regardless of ties. A mid-law firm paying 100-120k in Cleveland, Pittsburgh, Louisville, Denver, Portland, Birmingham, etc. is probably out of reach without ties.

User avatar
Sls17

Bronze
Posts: 146
Joined: Fri Jul 18, 2014 5:31 pm

Re: How crucial are "ties"?

Post by Sls17 » Tue Aug 05, 2014 12:59 am

I guess my main question, and one that isn't really addressed in the threads linked above or in any that I can find, is how do ties play out for PI jobs? All the prior discussions about ties seem very firm-specific.

P.S. I am a female so the tie-wearing jokes, while clever, don't apply to me. :P

User avatar
A. Nony Mouse

Diamond
Posts: 29293
Joined: Tue Sep 25, 2012 11:51 am

Re: How crucial are "ties"?

Post by A. Nony Mouse » Tue Aug 05, 2014 1:09 am

I think it's tougher to generalize about PI. In terms of PD/DA, one of the things that helps is interning for that office during law school, but I don't get the impression you have to have lived there/be from there to get that experience (though it may vary). I think it can help to intern during the school year so going to a local school can be a plus (but isn't necessarily required either). If you mean PI more like human rights/non-profit/etc., I don't think ties are that important, as opposed to connections/relevant experience. If the big issue is dedication to the cause, and you can show dedication to the cause, I think employers would be convinced you're willing to move/live wherever it is for the job.

User avatar
Sls17

Bronze
Posts: 146
Joined: Fri Jul 18, 2014 5:31 pm

Re: How crucial are "ties"?

Post by Sls17 » Tue Aug 05, 2014 3:57 am

That's really helpful, thank you!!

Post Reply

Return to “Ask a Law Student”