GULC Forum

[gnomgnomuch]

So, I saw that 140k (10%) post about GULC law... at the end of the thread someone says "a shit law school like GULC."

Can someone explain this? or was that guy/girl just trolling?

GULC is a t14 - obviously one of the lower ones - but still a t14, its in DC, with plenty of opportunities to intern and whatnot. It places 40% in big law, 25% in PI (assuming the first number is lower, because people self select out off it). These aren't on par with the upper t-14, particularly the t6, but still better than basically everywhere else.

I'm thinking that anywhere less than 100k of debt at GULC, would be a much better situation than 250k debt from MVPB, CCN, YHS. Sure, you're more likely to get Biglaw out of those other schools, but is that chance worth an extra 150k in loans?

(im assuming that you have the grades to get a big scholarship at GULC and lower t-14, and basically an acceptance, but no money to higher t-14)

am I flat out wrong, does my thought process take a weird turn anywhere?

[twenty]

The problem is, GULC is notoriously stingy with scholarship money to where the sub-100k vs. 250k at CCN scenario doesn't usually play out. If you actually got a 120k~ scholarship from GULC and no other good options, you should definitely take it. In reality, however, if you got an 120k scholarship from GULC, you'd probably get an equal or better scholarship from Cornell -- at which point you should take Cornell.

[gnomgnomuch]

The problem is, GULC is notoriously stingy with scholarship money to where the sub-100k vs. 250k at CCN scenario doesn't usually play out. If you actually got a 120k~ scholarship from GULC and no other good options, you should definitely take it. In reality, however, if you got an 120k scholarship from GULC, you'd probably get an equal or better scholarship from Cornell -- at which point you should take Cornell.

Ahh, I knew that Boalt was stingy with scholarship money, I didn't know that GULC was. I also thought that because Cornell placed ~60 percent into biglaw, and had better employment numbers overall, you'd need comparatively higher stats to get debt sown to 100k or so.

that clears it up for the most part (still don't know why someone would say GULC is a shit school), thanks!

[lhanvt13]

The problem is, GULC is notoriously stingy with scholarship money to where the sub-100k vs. 250k at CCN scenario doesn't usually play out. If you actually got a 120k~ scholarship from GULC and no other good options, you should definitely take it. In reality, however, if you got an 120k scholarship from GULC, you'd probably get an equal or better scholarship from Cornell -- at which point you should take Cornell.

Ahh, I knew that Boalt was stingy with scholarship money, I didn't know that GULC was. I also thought that because Cornell placed ~60 percent into biglaw, and had better employment numbers overall, you'd need comparatively higher stats to get debt sown to 100k or so.

that clears it up for the most part (still don't know why someone would say GULC is a shit school), thanks!

Not a shit school but too expensive (I.e., low scholarship giveaways) while not having the employment stats to back it up with. Still decent IMO if u get decent money

[schmooky]

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[linkx13]

The problem is, GULC is notoriously stingy with scholarship money to where the sub-100k vs. 250k at CCN scenario doesn't usually play out. If you actually got a 120k~ scholarship from GULC and no other good options, you should definitely take it. In reality, however, if you got an 120k scholarship from GULC, you'd probably get an equal or better scholarship from Cornell -- at which point you should take Cornell.

Any hard data here? I'm getting the feeling that "notoriously stingy" = upset people on TLS complained about it

[BigZuck]

In the context of that thread that poster was pretty much trolling the OP, who was also trolling. If you knew that poster (and indeed, to know him is to love him) you would understand what is going on.

GULC isn't objectively a bad school, but as has been mentioned on this site tons of times its employment numbers lag behind the rest of the T14 and their stinginess makes it so that the school almost never makes sense for anyone to attend.

Just use the search function if you're interested in TLS' thoughts on GULC, we really don't need another of these threads.

[phillywc]

The problem is, GULC is notoriously stingy with scholarship money to where the sub-100k vs. 250k at CCN scenario doesn't usually play out. If you actually got a 120k~ scholarship from GULC and no other good options, you should definitely take it. In reality, however, if you got an 120k scholarship from GULC, you'd probably get an equal or better scholarship from Cornell -- at which point you should take Cornell.

Any hard data here? I'm getting the feeling that "notoriously stingy" = upset people on TLS complained about it

I got more money from every t14 I got into other than GULC, one of which is T6. I know someone who got 90 or 105 or something from Chi and nothing from GULC. I know people in at HYS with nothing from GULC.
GUlC is stingy.

[linkx13]

The problem is, GULC is notoriously stingy with scholarship money to where the sub-100k vs. 250k at CCN scenario doesn't usually play out. If you actually got a 120k~ scholarship from GULC and no other good options, you should definitely take it. In reality, however, if you got an 120k scholarship from GULC, you'd probably get an equal or better scholarship from Cornell -- at which point you should take Cornell.

Any hard data here? I'm getting the feeling that "notoriously stingy" = upset people on TLS complained about it

I got more money from every t14 I got into other than GULC, one of which is T6. I know someone who got 90 or 105 or something from Chi and nothing from GULC. I know people in at HYS with nothing from GULC.
GUlC is stingy.

Thanks for offering the first confirmation of my feeling.

[phillywc]

Thanks for offering the first confirmation of my feeling.

Look, I get what you are saying, but if GULC isn't giving money to people with HYS acceptances and Rubies, something is amiss.

[TheSpanishMain]

Thanks for offering the first confirmation of my feeling.

Look, I get what you are saying, but if GULC isn't giving money to people with HYS acceptances and Rubies, something is amiss.

They probably know they have no chance of netting someone with a ruby even if they match, so why bother? They probably have better yield trying to poach students from Cornell and NU.

[phillywc]

Thanks for offering the first confirmation of my feeling.

Look, I get what you are saying, but if GULC isn't giving money to people with HYS acceptances and Rubies, something is amiss.

They probably know they have no chance of netting someone with a ruby even if they match, so why bother? They probably have better yield trying to poach students from Cornell and NU.

I suppose, but I'm the type of guy who totally would have went to GULC with money. Fair point, but doesn't mean they aren't stingy.

[runinthefront]

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[BigZuck]

The problem is, GULC is notoriously stingy with scholarship money to where the sub-100k vs. 250k at CCN scenario doesn't usually play out. If you actually got a 120k~ scholarship from GULC and no other good options, you should definitely take it. In reality, however, if you got an 120k scholarship from GULC, you'd probably get an equal or better scholarship from Cornell -- at which point you should take Cornell.

Any hard data here? I'm getting the feeling that "notoriously stingy" = upset people on TLS complained about it

I got more money from every t14 I got into other than GULC, one of which is T6. I know someone who got 90 or 105 or something from Chi and nothing from GULC. I know people in at HYS with nothing from GULC.
GUlC is stingy.

Thanks for offering the first confirmation of my feeling.

What kind of hard data do you want? You have access to the same (self-reported) data on LSN that we do, plus I think there might be ABA data on scholarships posted by every school. Have at it.

From my cycle, seemed like most people got lowballed by GULC in the way Philly said. They dropped an S-Bomb on me and if you want to say I was just bitter about it then go right ahead but why would I be bitter when better schools offered me more money? GULC offered me nothing and I moved on. No biggie.

[twenty]

See that 18% kind of hanging out in there?

[TUICE]

In addition to that the schools all have their ABA information forms on their websites, and it has some scholarship data.

For 2013 it looked like:

CHI: 392/610, 64.3%
Penn: 377/776, 48.6%
Cornell: 284/596, 47.7%
GULC: 640/1926, 33.2%

It says Grants and Scholarships, so I don't even know what is included, but there something up with GULC and $$$

[schmooky]

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[TheSpanishMain]

See that 18% kind of hanging out in there?

I fully admit GULC is stingy, or at least weird, with their scholarship money. They gave me money, while giving nothing to people with better numbers than mine. It's hard to predict. I also wouldn't go there if my veterans benefits didn't make it free. That said, none of that makes GULC a bad school (I'm addressing the TLS hive, not you, twenty).

[Learn_Live_Hope]

See that 18% kind of hanging out in there?

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[JustHawkin]

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[twenty]

I think the "GULC is a shite school" narrative is a rollover from 2011~ when even top 1/3 wasn't a guarantee of biglaw and its one selling point, government placement, was constricted by federal hiring freezes.

Now that federal hiring has picked up a bit again and biglaw numbers are up across the board, GULC with 105k+ is a solid way to go IMHO.

[TheSpanishMain]

Also, I worded that badly. I didn't mean that I'd only go to GULC if it were free; I just meant that my scholarship alone would've been insufficient without my veterans' benefits. I think GULC is worth some debt, just nowhere near sticker. But then, I basically think no one should ever pay sticker anywhere, barring PI folks with rock solid LRAPs.

[BigZuck]

Also, I worded that badly. I didn't mean that I'd only go to GULC if it were free; I just meant that my scholarship alone would've been insufficient without my veterans' benefits. I think GULC is worth some debt, just nowhere near sticker. But then, I basically think no one should ever pay sticker anywhere, barring PI folks with rock solid LRAPs.

I think GULC is easily worth 100K (maybe a bit more) its just that that is nearly impossible for all but the most special of snowflakes. Or, if they do get it down to that COA they can go to, say, Duke for the same price which is probably a better call (unless they have specific reasons for needing to go to school in DC like a spouse or a house in the area).

I can only think of two people who have posted on TLS the past two cycles for whom GULC sounded like the best call for them, you and a current 1L. Just a weird school. Dat Cornblatt difference I guess?

[rad lulz]

ED GULC PT

-TLS 2009

[BigZuck]

ED GULC PT

-TLS 2009

This too

I think an argument can be made for the hivemind going perhaps a bit too far with the debt aversion sometimes. About a month ago a poster was lamenting if a NU full ride would leave him in too much debt. I really hope we didn't do that to him and he came up with that extreme debt aversion on his own.

Then again a lot of mega posters are now having to pay back BIG DEBT and can speak to that so maybe the aversion is always warranted.