Dropping Class size impact on employment rates Forum

[john1990]

With class sizes dropping would you expect the employment rates at universities to increase? Assuming that firms do the same amount of hiring there may be many less graduates without work in the upcoming graduating classes.

For example BU's class size has dropped by 30 persons. Wouldn't it be reasonable to assume that firms will take the same number of graduates and leave 30 less students searching for work. They should still need to make the same number of new hires and this could result in employment rates increasing by 10-15%

[jbagelboy]

With class sizes dropping would you expect the employment rates at universities to increase? Assuming that firms do the same amount of hiring there may be many less graduates without work in the upcoming graduating classes.

For example BU's class size has dropped by 30 persons. Wouldn't it be reasonable to assume that firms will take the same number of graduates and leave 30 less students searching for work. They should still need to make the same number of new hires and this could result in employment rates increasing by 10-15%

No. Class size is dropping because the market is shrinking and society, i.e. potential applicant pool, is wising up. You should relearn causation before you enter your 3rd (4th?) law school.

[stillwater]

stop making threads. please.

[john1990]

With class sizes dropping would you expect the employment rates at universities to increase? Assuming that firms do the same amount of hiring there may be many less graduates without work in the upcoming graduating classes.

For example BU's class size has dropped by 30 persons. Wouldn't it be reasonable to assume that firms will take the same number of graduates and leave 30 less students searching for work. They should still need to make the same number of new hires and this could result in employment rates increasing by 10-15%

No. Class size is dropping because the market is shrinking and society, i.e. potential applicant pool, is wising up. You should relearn causation before you enter your 3rd (4th?) law school.

The legal field has been constant in size since 2008. Do you have any data to back up this claim? Here are BU's employment stats

2010-237/273
2011-238/273
2012-241/273.

That is a very constant line. Now the class of 2016 only has 242 students. What makes you think there won't still be 241 jobs?

[unodostres]

Because there are no jobs. The fuck you on

[john1990]

With class sizes dropping would you expect the employment rates at universities to increase? Assuming that firms do the same amount of hiring there may be many less graduates without work in the upcoming graduating classes.

For example BU's class size has dropped by 30 persons. Wouldn't it be reasonable to assume that firms will take the same number of graduates and leave 30 less students searching for work. They should still need to make the same number of new hires and this could result in employment rates increasing by 10-15%

No. Class size is dropping because the market is shrinking and society, i.e. potential applicant pool, is wising up. You should relearn causation before you enter your 3rd (4th?) law school.

The legal field has been constant in size since 2008. Do you have any data to back up this claim? Here are BU's employment stats

2010-237/273
2011-238/273
2012-241/273.

That is a very constant line. Now the class of 2016 only has 242 students. What makes you think there won't still be 241 jobs?

[guano]

The legal field has been constant in size since 2008. Do you have any data to back up this claim? Here are BU's employment stats

2010-237/273
2011-238/273
2012-241/273.

That is a very constant line. Now the class of 2016 only has 242 students. What makes you think there won't still be 241 jobs?

Because the same employers who don't want to hire bottom-feeders are still not gonna want to hire bottom feeders of a smaller pool. They'd rather try someone at median from NorthEastern or New England, than the people who have proven to be drop-dead last / worst of the bunch at BU

[john1990]

The legal field has been constant in size since 2008. Do you have any data to back up this claim? Here are BU's employment stats

2010-237/273
2011-238/273
2012-241/273.

That is a very constant line. Now the class of 2016 only has 242 students. What makes you think there won't still be 241 jobs?

Because the same employers who don't want to hire bottom-feeders are still not gonna want to hire bottom feeders of a smaller pool. They'd rather try someone at median from NorthEastern or New England, than the people who have proven to be drop-dead last / worst of the bunch at BU

That would cause T2 schools to have a massive influx of jobs. Combined with the fact that their class size is shrinking too and that doesn't make much sense.

[guano]

The legal field has been constant in size since 2008. Do you have any data to back up this claim? Here are BU's employment stats

2010-237/273
2011-238/273
2012-241/273.

That is a very constant line. Now the class of 2016 only has 242 students. What makes you think there won't still be 241 jobs?

Because the same employers who don't want to hire bottom-feeders are still not gonna want to hire bottom feeders of a smaller pool. They'd rather try someone at median from NorthEastern or New England, than the people who have proven to be drop-dead last / worst of the bunch at BU

That would cause T2 schools to have a massive influx of jobs. Combined with the fact that their class size is shrinking too and that doesn't make much sense.

Massive? the bottom 5% of class of 2016 is 12 students. and those T2s have already suffered the worst cuts.
Those schools have had their employment stats curtailed the worst, so that now only the top 10-15% are competitive for jobs

edit: I also find it hard to believe that 241 out of 273 BU students have real lawyer jobs; check out how many are BS jobs

[john1990]

The legal field has been constant in size since 2008. Do you have any data to back up this claim? Here are BU's employment stats

2010-237/273
2011-238/273
2012-241/273.

That is a very constant line. Now the class of 2016 only has 242 students. What makes you think there won't still be 241 jobs?

Because the same employers who don't want to hire bottom-feeders are still not gonna want to hire bottom feeders of a smaller pool. They'd rather try someone at median from NorthEastern or New England, than the people who have proven to be drop-dead last / worst of the bunch at BU

That would cause T2 schools to have a massive influx of jobs. Combined with the fact that their class size is shrinking too and that doesn't make much sense.

Massive? the bottom 5% of class of 2016 is 12 students. and those T2s have already suffered the worst cuts.
Those schools have had their employment stats curtailed the worst, so that now only the top 10-15% are competitive for jobs

edit: I also find it hard to believe that 241 out of 273 BU students have real lawyer jobs; check out how many are BS jobs

With class size dropping to 240 the only way they would keep the same employment rate would be if their graduates were offered 24 less jobs. These 24 jobs would have to go somewhere.

[john1990]

T2school employ 50% of the class, where are you getting 10-15% from

[TheSpanishMain]

You're confusing "jobs" with "good jobs." Yeah, 50% of the class may be employed, but how many of those are legitimate, JD required, long term positions that pay at least decently, and how many are document review in an abandoned warehouse?

[john1990]

You're confusing "jobs" with "good jobs." Yeah, 50% of the class may be employed, but how many of those are legitimate, JD required, long term positions that pay at least decently, and how many are document review in an abandoned warehouse?

This is LST's 50% which is defined as "% with full time long term legal jobs except solo practitioners"

[redsox]

Yankees suck.

[john1990]

Yankees suck.

Best franchise in all of sports

[redsox]

Yankees suck.

Best franchise in all of sports

Nomar's better.

[guano]

You're confusing "jobs" with "good jobs." Yeah, 50% of the class may be employed, but how many of those are legitimate, JD required, long term positions that pay at least decently, and how many are document review in an abandoned warehouse?

This is LST's 50% which is defined as "% with full time long term legal jobs except solo practitioners"

which schools?

[TheSpanishMain]

You're confusing "jobs" with "good jobs." Yeah, 50% of the class may be employed, but how many of those are legitimate, JD required, long term positions that pay at least decently, and how many are document review in an abandoned warehouse?

This is LST's 50% which is defined as "% with full time long term legal jobs except solo practitioners"

which schools?

I admit, I didn't read and assumed we were talking of that pillar of the law, TJSL. Then I realized no way does TJSL get 50% of its grads employed in non-sex work.

[guano]

I admit, I didn't read and assumed we were talking of that pillar of the law, john1990. Then I realized no way does he get a 50% chance of employment in non-sex work.

fixed

[09042014]

It'll actually help chances of getting a job. But the vast majority of legal jobs are shit law. They aren't worth going to school for.

The schools were big law firms hire don't seem to be shrinking nearly as much. So it's not like median at TTT is suddenly going to be big law competitive.

[john1990]

It'll actually help chances of getting a job. But the vast majority of legal jobs are shit law. They aren't worth going to school for.

The schools were big law firms hire don't seem to be shrinking nearly as much. So it's not like median at TTT is suddenly going to be big law competitive.

BU shrank 30 students. What impact will that have on their 25% biglaw rate

[john1990]

I admit, I didn't read and assumed we were talking of that pillar of the law, john1990. Then I realized no way does he get a 50% chance of employment in non-sex work.

fixed

Must be talking bout yo moma

[guano]

I admit, I didn't read and assumed we were talking of that pillar of the law, john1990. Then I realized no way does he get a 50% chance of employment in non-sex work.

fixed

Must be talking bout yo moma

edited because, having looked at your post history, this is the most clever come-back you've ever made, and I don't want to ruin it for you

[john1990]

I admit, I didn't read and assumed we were talking of that pillar of the law, john1990. Then I realized no way does he get a 50% chance of employment in non-sex work.

fixed

Must be talking bout yo moma

edited because, having looked at your post history, this is the most clever come-back you've ever made, and I don't want to ruin it for you

how about this one

[09042014]

It'll actually help chances of getting a job. But the vast majority of legal jobs are shit law. They aren't worth going to school for.

The schools were big law firms hire don't seem to be shrinking nearly as much. So it's not like median at TTT is suddenly going to be big law competitive.

BU shrank 30 students. What impact will that have on their 25% biglaw rate

Effectively zero.