Renting vs Buying Forum
- sach1282
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Renting vs Buying
Is it possible to buy a condo or house during your three years at law school? I know somewhere like NYC this would be impossible (for most students anyway) but I'm looking intently at Michigan and Duke, the two lowest COA schools in the T-14. It seems like rent for three years would really add up quick. However, is it feasible to get a mortgage approved as a full time student, even if it would be the same price as rent? What if you could pay like $40,000 up front, would that make it more viable?
I apologize for the poor organization, that's a lot of questions packed into a small space. I'm just looking to start a discussion on the merits and possibilities of buying vs renting during law school.
I apologize for the poor organization, that's a lot of questions packed into a small space. I'm just looking to start a discussion on the merits and possibilities of buying vs renting during law school.
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The vast majority of students couldn't get approved due to virtually no income and large debt obligations. Unless you have wealthy parents willing to buy/cosign the mortgage, it's a moot point.
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Add up the property taxes, insurance, maintenance and cost to sell after 3 years. Probably not worth the risk unless you plan on staying in the area.
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It may be a good time to buy in a depressed market, but is college town real estate depressed ?
- Wholigan
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No way this would be worth it, even if you could get approved for a loan. You will build up next to no equity over 3 years, and by the time you add up mortgage payments, homeowner's insurance, taxes, mortgage insurance, maintenance/repairs, and a 7% commission to the agent when you sell in 3 years, it will probably cost you a lot more than renting, even if the property value appreciates a little bit while you're in school. Also, don't forget that a lot of the benefit of home ownership is that much of the above is tax-deductible, but as a full-time student that isn't going to help you much, since you won't have income to deduct it against.
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+1 - There is no benefit to this. If you have the extra cash lying around after paying for school, it's best invested elsewhere.Wholigan wrote:No way this would be worth it, even if you could get approved for a loan. You will build up next to no equity over 3 years, and by the time you add up mortgage payments, homeowner's insurance, taxes, mortgage insurance, maintenance/repairs, and a 7% commission to the agent when you sell in 3 years, it will probably cost you a lot more than renting, even if the property value appreciates a little bit while you're in school. Also, don't forget that a lot of the benefit of home ownership is that much of the above is tax-deductible, but as a full-time student that isn't going to help you much, since you won't have income to deduct it against.
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Would the above advice hold true even if you could front all the money? Suppose you have the option of spending $60k on fronting the tuition bill, buying a condo, or leaving it invested. I thought that the condo would be a viable option, seeing as how much rent money you would make back when you sell.
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this is assuming you are able to sell, and not for a huge loss. a few (10?) years ago this would have probably been a good decision. Today, it's not. Plus, you have to factor in closing and other costs associated with buying and selling.sach1282 wrote:Would the above advice hold true even if you could front all the money? Suppose you have the option of spending $60k on fronting the tuition bill, buying a condo, or leaving it invested. I thought that the condo would be a viable option, seeing as how much rent money you would make back when you sell.
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Most have suggested that buying is a poor decision, but I beg to differ, at least in certain circumstances. It really depends on the situation. My fiance and I currently manage the SoCal division of a company that purchases, renovates and resells (ie flips) foreclosed homes. We are looking at SFRs and condos that are prices in the 200's now that were in the 500+ range in 2005. If you a.)have money to put down, b.) (will) have an income roughly 3xs what your mortgage payment+tax+insurance will be, and c.)will either be staying in the areas for at least 5 years, or plan to retain the property as a rental, than it makes sense. These are all big ifs, but it is worth it to say that in some cases, purchasing a home is not a bad option.
Everything, I suppose, would also depend on where you are located and how you are paying for school. For example, that money we have saved for a conventional down payment in CA is equivalent to the cost of a pretty decent house in Michigan or Florida and some parts of Washington. If we were to relocate, it would be foolish to pay rent instead of buying a home outright.
Everything, I suppose, would also depend on where you are located and how you are paying for school. For example, that money we have saved for a conventional down payment in CA is equivalent to the cost of a pretty decent house in Michigan or Florida and some parts of Washington. If we were to relocate, it would be foolish to pay rent instead of buying a home outright.
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Tuition bill is the best investment of your funds. The prevailing rates on Grad+ loans is 7.9% that is the safest and best investment of your funds. You should only even consider buying a place if you have enough money to pay for tuition and living expenses out of pocket. At that point you need to assess the ROI for a real estate investment relative to other investments.sach1282 wrote:Would the above advice hold true even if you could front all the money? Suppose you have the option of spending $60k on fronting the tuition bill, buying a condo, or leaving it invested. I thought that the condo would be a viable option, seeing as how much rent money you would make back when you sell.
There are very few markets right now where there is both a housing glut and a top law school.
- vissidarte27
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What if you want to stay in the area after graduation?
If I were to go to URichmond (or Emory), I'd basically be committing to working in Richmond (Atlanta) long-term, and I'm not sure that it would make sense to throw money away with rent as opposed to paying down a mortgage and earning equity and all of that. My partner and I have been thinking about it -- she has the money for a sizable down payment, and I'd be able to contribute to the mortgage with my student loan money (and I currently work a bank that would give me a decent rate discount that would continue even after I leave my job to go to school) -- and we think it may be the best move for us. Unless I end up at W&L, in which case we'd rent because Lexington isn't a feasible place to live post-graduation.
My guess is that it depends on what you want and where you want to be. If it's only for three years, I don't think it'd be smart to buy, but if it's longer than that, maybe.
If I were to go to URichmond (or Emory), I'd basically be committing to working in Richmond (Atlanta) long-term, and I'm not sure that it would make sense to throw money away with rent as opposed to paying down a mortgage and earning equity and all of that. My partner and I have been thinking about it -- she has the money for a sizable down payment, and I'd be able to contribute to the mortgage with my student loan money (and I currently work a bank that would give me a decent rate discount that would continue even after I leave my job to go to school) -- and we think it may be the best move for us. Unless I end up at W&L, in which case we'd rent because Lexington isn't a feasible place to live post-graduation.
My guess is that it depends on what you want and where you want to be. If it's only for three years, I don't think it'd be smart to buy, but if it's longer than that, maybe.
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This would make much more sense. A couple of reasons this might still be a bad idea:vissidarte27 wrote:What if you want to stay in the area after graduation?
If I were to go to URichmond (or Emory), I'd basically be committing to working in Richmond (Atlanta) long-term, and I'm not sure that it would make sense to throw money away with rent as opposed to paying down a mortgage and earning equity and all of that. My partner and I have been thinking about it -- she has the money for a sizable down payment, and I'd be able to contribute to the mortgage with my student loan money (and I currently work a bank that would give me a decent rate discount that would continue even after I leave my job to go to school) -- and we think it may be the best move for us. Unless I end up at W&L, in which case we'd rent because Lexington isn't a feasible place to live post-graduation.
My guess is that it depends on what you want and where you want to be. If it's only for three years, I don't think it'd be smart to buy, but if it's longer than that, maybe.
-You will see a much higher return on investment by paying off tuition instead of student loans
-If you do not end up in that home market, you will lose money
-You will (hopefully) be making more money as a lawyer than you were as a law student. You'll probably want a house that's nicer than the house that you can afford as a law student. If you sell your place after 3-4 years to move into a bigger and nicer place, you will suffer all the same complications as above.
It's probably better just to rent somewhere cheap as a law student and use the saved money to pay down tuition / build up savings and use that as a down payment after you graduate.
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There's something odd about your "advice." Your only post on a message board for law school admissions and law school students is promoting the poor financial decision of buying a house during law school.tdanielle wrote:Most have suggested that buying is a poor decision, but I beg to differ, at least in certain circumstances. It really depends on the situation. My fiance and I currently manage the SoCal division of a company that purchases, renovates and resells (ie flips) foreclosed homes. We are looking at SFRs and condos that are prices in the 200's now that were in the 500+ range in 2005. If you a.)have money to put down, b.) (will) have an income roughly 3xs what your mortgage payment+tax+insurance will be, and c.)will either be staying in the areas for at least 5 years, or plan to retain the property as a rental, than it makes sense. These are all big ifs, but it is worth it to say that in some cases, purchasing a home is not a bad option.
Everything, I suppose, would also depend on where you are located and how you are paying for school. For example, that money we have saved for a conventional down payment in CA is equivalent to the cost of a pretty decent house in Michigan or Florida and some parts of Washington. If we were to relocate, it would be foolish to pay rent instead of buying a home outright.
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- D'Angelo
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conflict of interest...vamedic03 wrote:There's something odd about your "advice." Your only post on a message board for law school admissions and law school students is promoting the poor financial decision of buying a house during law school.tdanielle wrote:Most have suggested that buying is a poor decision, but I beg to differ, at least in certain circumstances. It really depends on the situation. My fiance and I currently manage the SoCal division of a company that purchases, renovates and resells (ie flips) foreclosed homes. We are looking at SFRs and condos that are prices in the 200's now that were in the 500+ range in 2005. If you a.)have money to put down, b.) (will) have an income roughly 3xs what your mortgage payment+tax+insurance will be, and c.)will either be staying in the areas for at least 5 years, or plan to retain the property as a rental, than it makes sense. These are all big ifs, but it is worth it to say that in some cases, purchasing a home is not a bad option.
Everything, I suppose, would also depend on where you are located and how you are paying for school. For example, that money we have saved for a conventional down payment in CA is equivalent to the cost of a pretty decent house in Michigan or Florida and some parts of Washington. If we were to relocate, it would be foolish to pay rent instead of buying a home outright.
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what if you bought a house, then got roommates that would essentially pay your mortgage while in law school? anyone think it would be worth it then?
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why would they do that?weatherswaysme wrote:what if you bought a house, then got roommates that would essentially pay your mortgage while in law school? anyone think it would be worth it then?
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You can't get a loan without income. Money from loans is not counted as income for mortgage approval purposes.
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tdanielle wrote: If you a.)have money to put down, b.) (will) have an income roughly 3xs what your mortgage payment+tax+insurance will be, and c.)will either be staying in the areas for at least 5 years, or plan to retain the property as a rental, than it makes sense.
So, in short, no, it would not be a good idea for the OP to buy a house.
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they need a place to stay too. Buy a 3 bedroom, rent 2 rooms and make sure the rent money covers your mortgage. You live basically for free except for utilities, which can be split 3 ways, and taxes/insurance/repairs. Or am I way off base?D'Angelo wrote:why would they do that?weatherswaysme wrote:what if you bought a house, then got roommates that would essentially pay your mortgage while in law school? anyone think it would be worth it then?
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Well you don't get to set your price to whatever you want. You gotta be in line with the market.weatherswaysme wrote:they need a place to stay too. Buy a 3 bedroom, rent 2 rooms and make sure the rent money covers your mortgage. You live basically for free except for utilities, which can be split 3 ways, and taxes/insurance/repairs. Or am I way off base?D'Angelo wrote:why would they do that?weatherswaysme wrote:what if you bought a house, then got roommates that would essentially pay your mortgage while in law school? anyone think it would be worth it then?
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yeah, but depending on where you live it seems doable, or at least it would make your "rent" much less than actual rentDesert Fox wrote:Well you don't get to set your price to whatever you want. You gotta be in line with the market.weatherswaysme wrote:they need a place to stay too. Buy a 3 bedroom, rent 2 rooms and make sure the rent money covers your mortgage. You live basically for free except for utilities, which can be split 3 ways, and taxes/insurance/repairs. Or am I way off base?D'Angelo wrote:why would they do that?weatherswaysme wrote:what if you bought a house, then got roommates that would essentially pay your mortgage while in law school? anyone think it would be worth it then?
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