Biggest LSDAS GPA and Undergrad GPA Difference? Forum

[khanvalescent]

I'm assuming/hoping that LSAC calculation includes transfer grades gained through the (domestic) National Student Exchange program? My home school did not include the grades in my overall GPA, instead counting all classes as transfer credits.

[Cactus]

What does LSDAS count for courses taken pass/fail? As I have a 1 hour core curriculum kinesiology course (golf class) that I took as pass/fail.

(For reference, I passed)

[09042014]

What does LSDAS count for courses taken pass/fail? As I have a 1 hour core curriculum kinesiology course (golf class) that I took as pass/fail.

(For reference, I passed)

Pass: doesn't count

Fail : F

[Cactus]

What does LSDAS count for courses taken pass/fail? As I have a 1 hour core curriculum kinesiology course (golf class) that I took as pass/fail.

(For reference, I passed)

Pass: doesn't count

Fail : F

Thank you. That was my assumption, but I wanted to verify.

[CrimsonCal]

ya, i think the system has its failing points

1) A+'s are ridiculous since most colleges don't award them

2) Someone can pad their transcript easily by A'cing classes
at a crappy community college during the summer time or
from transferring

[Bildungsroman]

UGPA: 3.9ish
LSDAS GPA: 4.0ish
Thank goodness for the A+.

One big reason some of my peers have such deviation between UGPA and LSDAS GPA is that our university has an academic forgiveness program where you can retake a class for a higher grade and not have the original count toward your GPA any more. They do not advertise the fact that this is fucking worthless for law school applications. I've seen a few of my friends get a nasty shock from that one.

[mikehoe]

Undergrad: 3.51
LSDAS GPA: 2.49

Coupled with a 170 LSAT, my life kinda sucks right now. I hope I get into at least 1 t-25.

I just got my LSDAS GPA and it's a 2.49
My UG GPA was a 2.8
This sucks!
I will be taking the October LSAT and reaching for a 170.

[psychlaw]

yea my UGPA is a 3.3
LGPA is a 2.99
goooo 170!!!!

[NerdmoD]

My transcript had tons of +'s and -'s, so I was worried that my LSDAS GPA would be very different...

UG: 3.80
LSDAS: 3.79

[AdamatUCF]

Wow, I thought my 3.42 (Ugrad) -> 3.29 (LSDAS) was bad until I saw some of the stuff in here.


The sad thing is, with my LSAT and a 3.42, I'd be a lot better off at some of the schools to which I applied.

[mleibman]

....
2) Someone can pad their transcript easily by A'cing classes
at a crappy community college during the summer time or
from transferring

Not all Community Colleges are crappy, like Nassau County's (number 1 in the nation). They also offer honors program classes which are equal to state and private universities (in NY) in difficulty and academic quality. That is a harsh conclusion on your part. Though, I would agree that in many scenarios, that is the case.

[im_blue]

....
2) Someone can pad their transcript easily by A'cing classes
at a crappy community college during the summer time or
from transferring

Not all Community Colleges are crappy, like Nassau County's (number 1 in the nation). They also offer honors program classes which are equal to state and private universities (in NY) in difficulty and academic quality. That is a harsh conclusion on your part. Though, I would agree that in many scenarios, that is the case.

That's not what he said. RC fail.

[MentalGopher]

(Still wishing my UG gave out A+'s...)

Mine doesn't either, and I've been wondering about the mathematical soundness of a grading system that doesn't reward 97+, but punishes 93-. I'm not a math person, but it just seems counterintuitive, not to mention it puts your students at a competitive disadvantage. I thought the idea was to try to put your alums in the best possible position to be successful. Guess I'm just naive...

Any class you can get 97% correct isn't a real college course.

HTH

I have a whopping 7 A+ grades on my transcript. I actually had to get over a 100 percent in four of them to make that possible. The other three were all foreign language classes that graded several sections on a curve and allotted A+ grades to the top one percent. Then again, you really had to put effort in getting a grade below a C in those classes....

[09042014]

(Still wishing my UG gave out A+'s...)

Mine doesn't either, and I've been wondering about the mathematical soundness of a grading system that doesn't reward 97+, but punishes 93-. I'm not a math person, but it just seems counterintuitive, not to mention it puts your students at a competitive disadvantage. I thought the idea was to try to put your alums in the best possible position to be successful. Guess I'm just naive...

Any class you can get 97% correct isn't a real college course.

HTH

I have a whopping 7 A+ grades on my transcript. I actually had to get over a 100 percent in four of them to make that possible. The other three were all foreign language classes that graded several sections on a curve and allotted A+ grades to the top one percent. Then again, you really had to put effort in getting a grade below a C in those classes....

Over a 100 percent doesn't count either. I'll accept the curved ones.

[redsox]

Any class you can get 97% correct isn't a real college course.

HTH

Obviously not true. I agree that most courses in which students regularly score that high are probably bullshit, but there are exceptions. Advanced students in a field should be able to get 97+ in intro courses in that field, and people fluent in a language should be able to get 97+ in a course teaching that language.

Even in courses appropriate for the student taking them (the above are not), it may be possible to get a 97+ through memorization, and some people have really good memories.

Also, the whole point of the numerical grade is to create a distribution so that letter grades can be assigned. As long as only one or two students are in the 97+ range, what's the point in making the tests any more difficult/awarding of points any more harsh?

[redsox]

I have a whopping 7 A+ grades on my transcript. I actually had to get over a 100 percent in four of them to make that possible. The other three were all foreign language classes that graded several sections on a curve and allotted A+ grades to the top one percent. Then again, you really had to put effort in getting a grade below a C in those classes....

You can't get over 100 percent.

[im_blue]

I have a whopping 7 A+ grades on my transcript. I actually had to get over a 100 percent in four of them to make that possible. The other three were all foreign language classes that graded several sections on a curve and allotted A+ grades to the top one percent. Then again, you really had to put effort in getting a grade below a C in those classes....

You can't get over 100 percent.

IME, the vast majority of CC classes offer extra credit.

[redsox]

I have a whopping 7 A+ grades on my transcript. I actually had to get over a 100 percent in four of them to make that possible. The other three were all foreign language classes that graded several sections on a curve and allotted A+ grades to the top one percent. Then again, you really had to put effort in getting a grade below a C in those classes....

You can't get over 100 percent.

IME, the vast majority of CC classes offer extra credit.

And they're wrong.

[MentalGopher]

I have a whopping 7 A+ grades on my transcript. I actually had to get over a 100 percent in four of them to make that possible. The other three were all foreign language classes that graded several sections on a curve and allotted A+ grades to the top one percent. Then again, you really had to put effort in getting a grade below a C in those classes....

You can't get over 100 percent.

IME, the vast majority of CC classes offer extra credit.

And they're wrong.

I was at a state university, just to give you an idea.

The ones where you had to get over a 100 percent for an A+ were classes that either offered extra credit to offset a high failure rate (three of them- Human Physiology, Organic Chemistry, and Religions of the World) or, in the case of Astronomy, they rewarded students who did extra lab work and got over a 96 percent on every exam.

I could see how the Astronomy one would be a little much. But the other three were just different ways of creating a curve.

[redsox]

I was at a state university, just to give you an idea.

The ones where you had to get over a 100 percent for an A+ were classes that either offered extra credit to offset a high failure rate (three of them- Human Physiology, Organic Chemistry, and Religions of the World) or, in the case of Astronomy, they rewarded students who did extra lab work and got over a 96 percent on every exam.

I could see how the Astronomy one would be a little much. But the other three were just different ways of creating a curve.

A percent grade in a class should reflect the ratio of points earned to points possible. If "extra credit" is available, it should be considered part of the points possible.

[billyez]

UGPA - 3.6
LSDAS - 3.0

*grumble* Should have just focused in community college instead of on work. But what's done is done.

[ashockofpink]

3.6 UGPA
3.65 LSDAS Gpa

+.05 can't complain

Annnnnd.... For anyone else still trying to see how the LSDAS GPA thing works and wants to have an easy download to just plug in their numbers and have it pop out an answer (which you can then save and add on to as you get back more grades) I made a spreadsheet where you just enter the number of credits for any particular grade and it shows your LSDAS GPA automatically. Hopefully it'll help someone else because I'm sure I'm not the only one obsessing over GPA's and all that.

http://uploading.com/files/8dbb7142/LSD ... heet.xlsx/ is the link. It should be pretty straightforward

And as for "W"s, here's what I read "LSAC only counts "withdrawal" grades if your school considers them "punitive." Otherwise, these should not be included in your calculations." - http://www.ehow.com/how_4823316_calcula ... z0uwgcwQRr HOWEVER if your school allows you to re-take classes, the school still counts the fail along with the passing grade. Bahhh!


Enjoy

[jms1987]

I'm kind of freaked out to think of the difference there will be with my degree GPA and the LSAC one At least I won't have to worry about it for the next 2 years still.

[Generic20101L]

The only way it will be a drastic difference is if you screwed up royally your first go round in college and ended up doing well the second go round.

And, no, addendums explaining the F's 10 years ago don't really amount to much if anything.

LSAC GPA, LSAT is 95 percent of it, unless you're a congressman.

[Aggiegrad2011]

UG: 3.991 (summa)
LSDAS: 3.980