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[M.M.]

But you didn't finish the class and you didn't get a B. And now you have to live with that. Doesn't matter how ridiculous LSAC's policy is. You know the policy and getting around it would be lying no matter whether LSAC's policy makes sense. You're in the same position as a gazillion other people who've had to suck it up and deal with the consequences of bad grades, for whatever reason. You need to get over it.

I've admitted that it's lying, I'm just saying it isn't immoral much less "egregious." Just because a system fails a large group of people and one person finds a way around that failure, making a measure of their merit more valid than it would've been if they accepted the failing of the system doesn't mean it's immoral. Though I feel like I should add the disclaimer that I never planned on doing it anyway, since that's how some are acting. And lastly, I really do find the general nonchalant attitude toward dropping ~10 spots in the rankings over something so stupid to be incredibly inconsistent with TLS' general "T14 or bust" attitude. "Oh you just lost the possibility of getting into the T14 because of something that can only be spuriously linked to your actual merit as an academic and potential law student, but shit happens, just get right over it" - yeah, right. Anyway if anyone wants to reply that isn't discussing about something I never intended to do feel free, otherwise this is my last post on the subject.

I expect nothing from people and yet I'm still disappointed. Dude, lying is immoral. Always. Do you have such a twisted sense of right and wrong that you can't see that? And you're discussing the possibility of lying to gain an advantage over thousands of people who do follow the rules. That makes it egregious. This isn't even an argument.

As I said previously, my guidance counselor forced me to take community college classes when I was 11. I didn't do so hot, and it subsequently brought down my LSAC GPA. Do you think that is reflective of my abilities? Of course not. But I realize LSAC's policies are there to ensure the greatest amount of fairness possible.

That brings me to my last point. If you have a 3.0+, 170+, then you'll find a T14 to accept you. Maybe not HYS, but someone will. One F cannot make an incredible impact on your overall GPA. I tested to see and it brought my GPA down .6 points. If you were to be rejected from every T14, your one F isn't to blame. Your lack of ability throughout the rest of college and the LSAT is. If you can't see how this lie will not just cost you dearly but is outright immoral, then you're not mature enough of law school.

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[A. Nony Mouse]

How about this then: law schools and bar associations always see lying as immoral.