GULC Forum

[gnomgnomuch]

ED GULC PT

-TLS 2009

This too

I think an argument can be made for the hivemind going perhaps a bit too far with the debt aversion sometimes. About a month ago a poster was lamenting if a NU full ride would leave him in too much debt. I really hope we didn't do that to him and he came up with that extreme debt aversion on his own.

Then again a lot of mega posters are now having to pay back BIG DEBT and can speak to that so maybe the aversion is always warranted.

.....how is a full ride to NU a lot of debt, except for Ruby, Hamilton *maybe Butler* that would seem to be basically one of the best possible outcomes. (in terms of how much debt to take on vs which school to go to)

Idk about anyone else, but my debt averse threshold is somewhere ~120k, curious what others are willing to take on.

[lhanvt13]

ED GULC PT

-TLS 2009

This too

I think an argument can be made for the hivemind going perhaps a bit too far with the debt aversion sometimes. About a month ago a poster was lamenting if a NU full ride would leave him in too much debt. I really hope we didn't do that to him and he came up with that extreme debt aversion on his own.

Then again a lot of mega posters are now having to pay back BIG DEBT and can speak to that so maybe the aversion is always warranted.

.....how is a full ride to NU a lot of debt, except for Ruby, Hamilton *maybe Butler* that would seem to be basically one of the best possible outcomes. (in terms of how much debt to take on vs which school to go to)

Idk about anyone else, but my debt averse threshold is somewhere ~120k, curious what others are willing to take on.

200k threshold. Good thing wife makes 6 digits... I fucking love sugar mamas

[Glasseyes]

I can't speak to past cycles, but I suspect GULC might not be as stingy as folks think if you're willing to work for the money. Considering my other options, GULC turned into a no-brainer by offering more than Texas, UCLA, and even GW. I hustled hard for that money after no initial offer, but they came through at the last minute and ultimately negotiated. YMMV

[MistakenGenius]

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[Ricky-Bobby]

Your premise is fine, yes, GULC at less than 100k would be better than 250k from most of the other T14 (not HYS and it's dumb to imply otherwise).

I would take GULC at 100k over HYS at 250 any day of the week.

[linkx13]

I'm biased as you'll see in a moment, but I think the other people hit the nail on the head. GULC is clearly the worst T14 (I'm not sure they're actually better than Texas, UCLA, or Vandy) and yet they are by far the most stingy when it comes to money. Your premise is fine, yes, GULC at less than 100k would be better than 250k from most of the other T14 (not HYS and it's dumb to imply otherwise). In practice though, their stinginess rarely means someone has anything near those options. It's often the other way around. I had a very good cycle and had full rides to 5 of the T14 including the Hamilton and got into all of HYS. You know how much GULC offered me? 10k total. Seriously. It appears that's not that odd of a thing.

So, in practice, other schools often offer more, making GULC among the most expensive options out there in the T14. Ordinarily, most people with a brain know that GULC, being the worst of the T14, is not worth more, go elsewhere, making GULC fill its class with people rejected from the others, who only want to study in DC, or just want to act snooty about going to Georgetown, hence its reputation as a toilet.

I'm sorry, but this attitude really bothers me. Here you're essentially saying "I have great stats and they offered me less than I DESERVE! WTF THE NERVE RABBLERABBLERABBLE"

Honestly, it seems like GLUC took at look at your stats, saw you did have a great shot at T3 schools and decided "we'll offer him/her this and see if they express interest." Instead, you seem to have gotten all offended and ruled them out completely. Your really pompous attitude ("most people with a brain...," insinuating that reasons for going to GLUC can only be the shallow ones you give, "dumb to imply...," etc.) makes it looks like you wouldn't have deigned to attend even if they had thrown some serious money your way off the bat. Wouldn't want to be in a class full of rejects anyway, right?

It appears they pegged you correctly. It's a shame wherever you ended up didn't satisfy your elitism enough so that your first words here weren't "I'm biased" followed by such a snobby rant.

[BigZuck]

I'm biased as you'll see in a moment, but I think the other people hit the nail on the head. GULC is clearly the worst T14 (I'm not sure they're actually better than Texas, UCLA, or Vandy) and yet they are by far the most stingy when it comes to money. Your premise is fine, yes, GULC at less than 100k would be better than 250k from most of the other T14 (not HYS and it's dumb to imply otherwise). In practice though, their stinginess rarely means someone has anything near those options. It's often the other way around. I had a very good cycle and had full rides to 5 of the T14 including the Hamilton and got into all of HYS. You know how much GULC offered me? 10k total. Seriously. It appears that's not that odd of a thing.

So, in practice, other schools often offer more, making GULC among the most expensive options out there in the T14. Ordinarily, most people with a brain know that GULC, being the worst of the T14, is not worth more, go elsewhere, making GULC fill its class with people rejected from the others, who only want to study in DC, or just want to act snooty about going to Georgetown, hence its reputation as a toilet.

I'm sorry, but this attitude really bothers me. Here you're essentially saying "I have great stats and they offered me less than I DESERVE! WTF THE NERVE RABBLERABBLERABBLE"

Honestly, it seems like GLUC took at look at your stats, saw you did have a great shot at T3 schools and decided "we'll offer him/her this and see if they express interest." Instead, you seem to have gotten all offended and ruled them out completely. Your really pompous attitude ("most people with a brain...," insinuating that reasons for going to GLUC can only be the shallow ones you give, "dumb to imply...," etc.) makes it looks like you wouldn't have deigned to attend even if they had thrown some serious money your way off the bat. Wouldn't want to be in a class full of rejects anyway, right?

It appears they pegged you correctly. It's a shame wherever you ended up didn't satisfy your elitism enough so that your first words here weren't "I'm biased" followed by such a snobby rant.

Call him an elitist all you want but, objectively speaking, GULC should be no more expensive and probably less expensive than all other T14s for an individual candidate to justify attending. GULC shouldn't jerk around its applicants in the way you seem to be arguing they are justified in doing, IMO. Especially not with multiple "Why you gets the moniez?" essay competitions sent to a bunch of applicants that they know are just going to get Cornblatted in the end.

[linkx13]

I'm biased as you'll see in a moment, but I think the other people hit the nail on the head. GULC is clearly the worst T14 (I'm not sure they're actually better than Texas, UCLA, or Vandy) and yet they are by far the most stingy when it comes to money. Your premise is fine, yes, GULC at less than 100k would be better than 250k from most of the other T14 (not HYS and it's dumb to imply otherwise). In practice though, their stinginess rarely means someone has anything near those options. It's often the other way around. I had a very good cycle and had full rides to 5 of the T14 including the Hamilton and got into all of HYS. You know how much GULC offered me? 10k total. Seriously. It appears that's not that odd of a thing.

So, in practice, other schools often offer more, making GULC among the most expensive options out there in the T14. Ordinarily, most people with a brain know that GULC, being the worst of the T14, is not worth more, go elsewhere, making GULC fill its class with people rejected from the others, who only want to study in DC, or just want to act snooty about going to Georgetown, hence its reputation as a toilet.

I'm sorry, but this attitude really bothers me. Here you're essentially saying "I have great stats and they offered me less than I DESERVE! WTF THE NERVE RABBLERABBLERABBLE"

Honestly, it seems like GLUC took at look at your stats, saw you did have a great shot at T3 schools and decided "we'll offer him/her this and see if they express interest." Instead, you seem to have gotten all offended and ruled them out completely. Your really pompous attitude ("most people with a brain...," insinuating that reasons for going to GLUC can only be the shallow ones you give, "dumb to imply...," etc.) makes it looks like you wouldn't have deigned to attend even if they had thrown some serious money your way off the bat. Wouldn't want to be in a class full of rejects anyway, right?

It appears they pegged you correctly. It's a shame wherever you ended up didn't satisfy your elitism enough so that your first words here weren't "I'm biased" followed by such a snobby rant.

Call him an elitist all you want but, objectively speaking, GULC should be no more expensive and probably less expensive than all other T14s for an individual candidate to justify attending. GULC shouldn't jerk around its applicants in the way you seem to be arguing they are justified in doing, IMO. Especially not with multiple "Why you gets the moniez?" essay competitions sent to a bunch of applicants that they know are just going to get Cornblatted in the end.

I agree with you on the price, but I don't agree that the university shouldn't be able to give low scholarships to an applicant they think may not even attend as a means to measure their interest. Most of the people on this board that I've seen certainly have had great success negotiating from a first offer (which is after the essays anyway).

Hm, maybe I should have just stuck with the old "if you can't say something nice...," but seriously this girl/guy's tone was so annoying.

[MistakenGenius]

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[linkx13]

I'm biased as you'll see in a moment, but I think the other people hit the nail on the head. GULC is clearly the worst T14 (I'm not sure they're actually better than Texas, UCLA, or Vandy) and yet they are by far the most stingy when it comes to money. Your premise is fine, yes, GULC at less than 100k would be better than 250k from most of the other T14 (not HYS and it's dumb to imply otherwise). In practice though, their stinginess rarely means someone has anything near those options. It's often the other way around. I had a very good cycle and had full rides to 5 of the T14 including the Hamilton and got into all of HYS. You know how much GULC offered me? 10k total. Seriously. It appears that's not that odd of a thing.

So, in practice, other schools often offer more, making GULC among the most expensive options out there in the T14. Ordinarily, most people with a brain know that GULC, being the worst of the T14, is not worth more, go elsewhere, making GULC fill its class with people rejected from the others, who only want to study in DC, or just want to act snooty about going to Georgetown, hence its reputation as a toilet.

I'm sorry, but this attitude really bothers me. Here you're essentially saying "I have great stats and they offered me less than I DESERVE! WTF THE NERVE RABBLERABBLERABBLE"

Honestly, it seems like GLUC took at look at your stats, saw you did have a great shot at T3 schools and decided "we'll offer him/her this and see if they express interest." Instead, you seem to have gotten all offended and ruled them out completely. Your really pompous attitude ("most people with a brain...," insinuating that reasons for going to GLUC can only be the shallow ones you give, "dumb to imply...," etc.) makes it looks like you wouldn't have deigned to attend even if they had thrown some serious money your way off the bat. Wouldn't want to be in a class full of rejects anyway, right?

It appears they pegged you correctly. It's a shame wherever you ended up didn't satisfy your elitism enough so that your first words here weren't "I'm biased" followed by such a snobby rant.

I agree with you on the price, but I don't agree that the university shouldn't be able to give low scholarships to an applicant they think may not even attend as a means to measure their interest. Most of the people on this board that I've seen certainly have had great success negotiating from a first offer (which is after the essays anyway).

Hm, maybe I should have just stuck with the old "if you can't say something nice...," but seriously this girl/guy's tone was so annoying.

I love how I gave my anecdote which backs up the points made previously in this thread (That Georgetown is among the stingiest of schools and that they regularly give out small amounts of aid to people with much better options) and you resort to calling me hateful names (yes, I read your first post before you edited it). I am about as far as from elitist as can be. I would be surprised if there were more than a handful of people on this site who came from worse circumstances. I was appreciative to go to state school for undergrad, any regular poster here knows that and I consider myself extremely blessed to have gotten my acceptances and to be going to Yale. No, I don't like Georgetown because they're infamously stingy bastards who admit tons of students to take their money and then fail to get many of those students jobs. (Yes, they're doing better than during the recession, but they're still by far the weakest T14). At the end of the day, they are a diploma mill which doesn't deserve being grouped in with Cornell and Northwestern and would be better alongside Texas, UCLA, and Vandy. I don't like any school that screws its students over in the name of profits, and was even kind enough to admit my own bias, but you even tried to turn that into a sign of pretension. Get a clue.[/quote]

Ugh, should have known.

I stand by my posts. This isn't even worth a more detailed reply.

[JustHawkin]

I don't like any school that screws its students over in the name of profits, and was even kind enough to admit my own bias, but you even tried to turn that into a sign of pretension.

Isn't the consensus that anyone who pays sticker, or close to it, (outside of HYS, which is a debate in itself, but I digress) is getting porked? So would that mean you don't like pretty much every school? I don't see why GULC is getting pounded (ya I know, but big law) when NU is the biggest "man behind the curtain" of all, making you jump through hoops to the point where it's basically a circus. If you want to reap the unique benefits that the specific school offers (pretty much every school, not just GULC) show some sincere interest and they will be receptive, or be able to see through the bullshit.

On topic, yes they are a bit tight with their money, but I can't blame them.

[TheSpanishMain]

would be better alongside Texas, UCLA, and Vandy.

The horror!

GULC is no different than any other (decent) school: go if the price is right. Whether it deserves to be lumped in with the T14 or the really strong regionals like Texas, UCLA, and Vandy is sort of navel gazing bullshit. Who cares? I'd happily go to Texas, UCLA, or Vandy too, if the cost were low enough.

Your premise is fine, yes, GULC at less than 100k would be better than 250k from most of the other T14 (not HYS and it's dumb to imply otherwise).

I would take GULC at 100k over HYS at 250 any day of the week.

Yeah, LOL at paying 250k to go anywhere. HYS debt doesn't magically make your life not miserable just because it's uber-prestigious debt.

Isn't the consensus that anyone who pays sticker, or close to it, (outside of HYS, which is a debate in itself, but I digress) is getting porked?

Agreed. Anyone who pays sticker given what law school costs these days is having their butthole exploded in the name of maintaining class sizes and medians. GULC is guilty of that, moreso than most, but every school does it to some degree.

[star fox]

ED GULC PT

-TLS 2009

This too

I think an argument can be made for the hivemind going perhaps a bit too far with the debt aversion sometimes. About a month ago a poster was lamenting if a NU full ride would leave him in too much debt. I really hope we didn't do that to him and he came up with that extreme debt aversion on his own.

Then again a lot of mega posters are now having to pay back BIG DEBT and can speak to that so maybe the aversion is always warranted.

That was me. I probably shouldn't have made a thread in the first place but my issue was more so that I was already mentally committed to waiting another year and the offer hit me as a big surprise. My debt aversion comes from within but of course TLS only helped it grow. But I generally think debt aversion is a good thing. It's better to play it safe than take a boatload of debt and figure it out later.

I deposited btw.

[BigZuck]

ED GULC PT

-TLS 2009

This too

I think an argument can be made for the hivemind going perhaps a bit too far with the debt aversion sometimes. About a month ago a poster was lamenting if a NU full ride would leave him in too much debt. I really hope we didn't do that to him and he came up with that extreme debt aversion on his own.

Then again a lot of mega posters are now having to pay back BIG DEBT and can speak to that so maybe the aversion is always warranted.

That was me. I probably shouldn't have made a thread in the first place but my issue was more so that I was already mentally committed to waiting another year and the offer hit me as a big surprise. My debt aversion comes from within but of course TLS only helped it grow. But I generally think debt aversion is a good thing. It's better to play it safe than take a boatload of debt and figure it out later.

I deposited btw.

I hear you. I'm probably more debt averse than most on this site even so I can relate. It just struck me as a really extreme case that's all.

[ldlamb]

I got Gtown to go from zero to a 50k scholarship by asking, and that was with a 2.8 LSAC GPA. I don't necessrily consider that stingy. It actually made it cheaper than GW.

I do get the aversion to debt though. If I didnt have a succesful wife and 10 years of savings to bring my debtload down to about 90k, I wouldnt go there.