Harvard v. Columbia Forum

[spyke123]

Is H in a different league at the undergrad level too? I feel like I didn't really pay attention to this stuff as much when I was 18.

yeah - excluding military schools and stuff like that, HYPM are the undisputed cream of the crop. Columbia and Chicago are the next tier down. S is somewhere in the middle of those two tiers, and depending on the person, S will be considered peers of HYPM or CC.

hm i think chicago ug peers are more like northwestern/duke/brown/cornell etc.

[Crowing]

Is H in a different league at the undergrad level too? I feel like I didn't really pay attention to this stuff as much when I was 18.

yeah - excluding military schools and stuff like that, HYPM are the undisputed cream of the crop. Columbia and Chicago are the next tier down. S is somewhere in the middle of those two tiers, and depending on the person, S will be considered peers of HYPM or CC.

hm i think chicago ug peers are more like northwestern/duke/brown/cornell etc.

Duke maybe. NU and Brown are lower (like 10-15 range schools) w/ schools like Dartmouth, Cal Tech, WUSTL, etc. Cornell is the ivy league caboose and doesn't belong with any of these imo; it's more like Vandy/Rice kinda level.

[Rahviveh]

Is H in a different league at the undergrad level too? I feel like I didn't really pay attention to this stuff as much when I was 18.

yeah - excluding military schools and stuff like that, HYPM are the undisputed cream of the crop. Columbia and Chicago are the next tier down. S is somewhere in the middle of those two tiers, and depending on the person, S will be considered peers of HYPM or CC.

Excuse my ignorance but what is the M? It can't be Michigone

[Crowing]

Is H in a different league at the undergrad level too? I feel like I didn't really pay attention to this stuff as much when I was 18.

yeah - excluding military schools and stuff like that, HYPM are the undisputed cream of the crop. Columbia and Chicago are the next tier down. S is somewhere in the middle of those two tiers, and depending on the person, S will be considered peers of HYPM or CC.

Excuse my ignorance but what is the M? It can't be Michigone

MIT

[BelugaWhale]

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[battlerifle13]

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Columbia/Penn/Duke/Chicago/Cal Tech/Dartmouth

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[Ramius]

Is H in a different league at the undergrad level too? I feel like I didn't really pay attention to this stuff as much when I was 18.

yeah - excluding military schools and stuff like that, HYPM are the undisputed cream of the crop. Columbia and Chicago are the next tier down. S is somewhere in the middle of those two tiers, and depending on the person, S will be considered peers of HYPM or CC.

Mainly just curious, but why were military schools spelled out in this discussion?

[BelugaWhale]

Is H in a different league at the undergrad level too? I feel like I didn't really pay attention to this stuff as much when I was 18.

yeah - excluding military schools and stuff like that, HYPM are the undisputed cream of the crop. Columbia and Chicago are the next tier down. S is somewhere in the middle of those two tiers, and depending on the person, S will be considered peers of HYPM or CC.

Mainly just curious, but why were military schools spelled out in this discussion?

for one thing, military schools arent usually ranked in accordance with civilian schools so its hard to tell....i remember sometime someone did rank them with liberal arts schools and all the academies ended up in the top 10, with annapolis being in the same range as amherst if i recall.

[Ramius]

Is H in a different league at the undergrad level too? I feel like I didn't really pay attention to this stuff as much when I was 18.

yeah - excluding military schools and stuff like that, HYPM are the undisputed cream of the crop. Columbia and Chicago are the next tier down. S is somewhere in the middle of those two tiers, and depending on the person, S will be considered peers of HYPM or CC.

Mainly just curious, but why were military schools spelled out in this discussion?

for one thing, military schools arent usually ranked in accordance with civilian schools so its hard to tell....i remember sometime someone did rank them with liberal arts schools and all the academies ended up in the top 10, with annapolis being in the same range as amherst if i recall.

USNews has actually ranked them along with liberal arts schools and they have done fairly well, I just thought it a bit strange that it was being mentioned in a discussion with HYP.

[BelugaWhale]

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[grapefruits]

Where are people getting these undergrad rankings from? If you go by usnwr it's Princeton, Yale, Harvard, Chicago/Columbia, MIT, Stanford, Duke. Or pretty close to
It.

[Crowing]

Where are people getting these undergrad rankings from? If you go by usnwr it's Princeton, Yale, Harvard, Chicago/Columbia, MIT, Stanford, Duke. Or pretty close to
It.

Just reputation I guess. I pointed this out a while ago and people were super pissed that anybody would think S was below CC or even a peer.

[Ramius]

Where are people getting these undergrad rankings from? If you go by usnwr it's Princeton, Yale, Harvard, Chicago/Columbia, MIT, Stanford, Duke. Or pretty close to
It.

Just reputation I guess. I pointed this out a while ago and people were super pissed that anybody would think S was below CC or even a peer.

At the end of the day, I'd say UG rankings mean much less than the crazy weight given to LS.

[vzapana]

Mainly just curious, but why were military schools spelled out in this discussion?

for one thing, military schools arent usually ranked in accordance with civilian schools so its hard to tell....i remember sometime someone did rank them with liberal arts schools and all the academies ended up in the top 10, with annapolis being in the same range as amherst if i recall.

USNews has actually ranked them along with liberal arts schools and they have done fairly well, I just thought it a bit strange that it was being mentioned in a discussion with HYP.[/quote]

The schools rely on a more comprehensive curriculum to create battle-ready soldiers. In many ways they learn significantly more than people at ivies/Mit/Stanford. But the range of academic talent among the student body is much greater at military academies then at the IMS; so some military students may not be as stellar in academics as the average Ivy League student. So we're kinda comparing apples and oranges. I certainly would not think a top student at Harvard or Princeton is in any way better than a top student at West Point or USNA.

[Ramius]

Mainly just curious, but why were military schools spelled out in this discussion?

for one thing, military schools arent usually ranked in accordance with civilian schools so its hard to tell....i remember sometime someone did rank them with liberal arts schools and all the academies ended up in the top 10, with annapolis being in the same range as amherst if i recall.

USNews has actually ranked them along with liberal arts schools and they have done fairly well, I just thought it a bit strange that it was being mentioned in a discussion with HYP.

The schools rely on a more comprehensive curriculum to create battle-ready soldiers. In many ways they learn significantly more than people at ivies/Mit/Stanford. But the range of academic talent among the student body is much greater at military academies then at the IMS; so some military students may not be as stellar in academics as the average Ivy League student. So we're kinda comparing apples and oranges. I certainly would not think a top student at Harvard or Princeton is in any way better than a top student at West Point or USNA.[/quote]

Absolutely agreed, having gone to both of them.