Adderall in Law School Forum

[legalease9]

The outline one is funny, but this one is better: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zO8kIk1A0cA

I'm amazed by how much time Law students have to come up with funny shit...

[Baylan]

This thread pisses me off.

I was fine with it in UG because things weren't graded on a curve. If people wanted to break the law and take education enhancing drugs, fine. But in LS when things are graded on a curve and people are competing for jobs, it is straight up cheating. No way around it.

dude, everyone does what they can or their advantage.....it's human nature. Stop complaining

And this right here is why a Code of Conduct/Ethics exists for lawyers... and, well, I hope to a certain extent, law students.

You're literally... breaking the law in order to do better in law school. That is ridiculous. Ethics violation up the wazoo. Man up, stop complaining about how you should be able to use illicit substances in order to gain an advantage over your peers, and actually do your best to get your own shit done without drugs enhancing you.

[jay115]

If I had a choice between "manning up" and getting ahead, the latter would be my choice.

And fyi, it's not illegal if you get a prescription. So go see your doc, tell him/her you have trouble focusing when doing your work, and get a script. No biggie.

[jay115]

If I had a choice between "manning up" and getting ahead, the latter would be my choice.

And fyi, it's not illegal if you get a prescription. So go see your doc, tell him/her you have trouble focusing when doing your work, and get a script. No biggie.

[rando]

If I had a choice between "manning up" and getting ahead, the latter would be my choice.

And fyi, it's not illegal if you get a prescription. So go see your doc, tell him/her you have trouble focusing when doing your work, and get a script. No biggie.

While this is true re; illegality, that is really not what this thread is about. The above posters were talking about getting prescription drugs from frat buddies.

Further, going to a doctor pretending you have ADD/ADHD is still an ethical violation.

[rando]

This thread pisses me off.

I was fine with it in UG because things weren't graded on a curve. If people wanted to break the law and take education enhancing drugs, fine. But in LS when things are graded on a curve and people are competing for jobs, it is straight up cheating. No way around it.

dude, everyone does what they can or their advantage.....it's human nature. Stop complaining

And this right here is why a Code of Conduct/Ethics exists for lawyers... and, well, I hope to a certain extent, law students.

You're literally... breaking the law in order to do better in law school. That is ridiculous. Ethics violation up the wazoo. Man up, stop complaining about how you should be able to use illicit substances in order to gain an advantage over your peers, and actually do your best to get your own shit done without drugs enhancing you.

I can't believe that you actually have to explain this to people. Sad.

[jay115]

If I had a choice between "manning up" and getting ahead, the latter would be my choice.

And fyi, it's not illegal if you get a prescription. So go see your doc, tell him/her you have trouble focusing when doing your work, and get a script. No biggie.

While this is true re; illegality, that is really not what this thread is about. The above posters were talking about getting prescription drugs from frat buddies.

Further, going to a doctor pretending you have ADD/ADHD is still an ethical violation.

I think every honest person save super gunners has trouble focusing on studying dry case law at 1AM in the morning. Of course, trouble concentrating =/= ADD/ADHD. However, if your doctor decides to give you a script based on one manifestation of ADD/ADHD, then it's a legitimate prescription.

A friend of mine (who's incidentally in a fraternity) went to his doctor and told him that straight-forwardly that he took addy from one of the frat bros without being prescribed it - and he was able to focus a lot better on school work, etc. After his doctor gave him the obligatory, "you shouldn't take meds if you're not prescribed...", he went ahead and prescribed him some addy.

Thus the argument:
1. I have trouble focusing when I do boring stuff, like studying.
2. I tell my doctor I have trouble focusing, which is a manifestation of ADD.
3. He prescribes me adderall.
Therefore, I have a legitimate prescription for adderall without being unethical.

[rando]

If I had a choice between "manning up" and getting ahead, the latter would be my choice.

And fyi, it's not illegal if you get a prescription. So go see your doc, tell him/her you have trouble focusing when doing your work, and get a script. No biggie.

While this is true re; illegality, that is really not what this thread is about. The above posters were talking about getting prescription drugs from frat buddies.

Further, going to a doctor pretending you have ADD/ADHD is still an ethical violation.

I think every honest person save super gunners has trouble focusing on studying dry case law at 1AM in the morning. Of course, trouble concentrating =/= ADD/ADHD. However, if your doctor decides to give you a script based on one manifestation of ADD/ADHD, then it's a legitimate prescription.

A friend of mine (who's incidentally in a fraternity) went to his doctor and told him that straight-forwardly that he took addy from one of the frat bros without being prescribed it - and he was able to focus a lot better on school work, etc. After his doctor gave him the obligatory, "you shouldn't take meds if you're not prescribed...", he went ahead and prescribed him some addy.

Thus the argument:
1. I have trouble focusing when I do boring stuff, like studying.
2. I tell my doctor I have trouble focusing, which is a manifestation of ADD.
3. He prescribes me adderall.
Therefore, I have a legitimate prescription for adderall without being unethical.

Honestly don't want to get into a debate of the ethics of doctors because that is a totally different can of worms, but I know that Drs. have this debate.

Anyway, you said it yourself in your above post, just about everyone has trouble focusing at 1am on dry material. Thus you don't have cause for medication.

There are obviously two types of ethics; professional vs. personal. I personally still have trouble with the above format of seeing your dr. and telling him to give you adderall. Professionally, I just don't know. I suppose you're right, if your dr. prescribes it, regardless of the merits, then you should be fine.

Still. The point was popping buddies' scrips and studying for LS. That is what pisses me off, just as I originally posted. The above mentioned dr. route is still ridiculous but at least legal.

[capitalacq]

If I had a choice between "manning up" and getting ahead, the latter would be my choice.

And fyi, it's not illegal if you get a prescription. So go see your doc, tell him/her you have trouble focusing when doing your work, and get a script. No biggie.

While this is true re; illegality, that is really not what this thread is about. The above posters were talking about getting prescription drugs from frat buddies.

Further, going to a doctor pretending you have ADD/ADHD is still an ethical violation.

I think every honest person save super gunners has trouble focusing on studying dry case law at 1AM in the morning. Of course, trouble concentrating =/= ADD/ADHD. However, if your doctor decides to give you a script based on one manifestation of ADD/ADHD, then it's a legitimate prescription.

A friend of mine (who's incidentally in a fraternity) went to his doctor and told him that straight-forwardly that he took addy from one of the frat bros without being prescribed it - and he was able to focus a lot better on school work, etc. After his doctor gave him the obligatory, "you shouldn't take meds if you're not prescribed...", he went ahead and prescribed him some addy.

Thus the argument:
1. I have trouble focusing when I do boring stuff, like studying.
2. I tell my doctor I have trouble focusing, which is a manifestation of ADD.
3. He prescribes me adderall.
Therefore, I have a legitimate prescription for adderall without being unethical.

haha

jay, addy puts me to sleep. its second only to ambien, wtf

[bgdddymtty]

If I had a choice between "manning up" and getting ahead, the latter would be my choice.

And fyi, it's not illegal if you get a prescription. So go see your doc, tell him/her you have trouble focusing when doing your work, and get a script. No biggie.

While this is true re; illegality, that is really not what this thread is about. The above posters were talking about getting prescription drugs from frat buddies.

Further, going to a doctor pretending you have ADD/ADHD is still an ethical violation.

I think every honest person save super gunners has trouble focusing on studying dry case law at 1AM in the morning. Of course, trouble concentrating =/= ADD/ADHD. However, if your doctor decides to give you a script based on one manifestation of ADD/ADHD, then it's a legitimate prescription.

A friend of mine (who's incidentally in a fraternity) went to his doctor and told him that straight-forwardly that he took addy from one of the frat bros without being prescribed it - and he was able to focus a lot better on school work, etc. After his doctor gave him the obligatory, "you shouldn't take meds if you're not prescribed...", he went ahead and prescribed him some addy.

Thus the argument:
1. I have trouble focusing when I do boring stuff, like studying.
2. I tell my doctor I have trouble focusing, which is a manifestation of ADD.
3. He prescribes me adderall.
Therefore, I have a legitimate prescription for adderall without being unethical.

Legal and ethical are two very different things. Your argument is that, so long as a doctor is lazy/unethical enough to prescribe you a drug for which there is no demonstrated medical need (displaying a single mild symptom of a multi-symptom condition is in no way an indication of that condition), you are ethically in the clear, even though you are the one who requested that the doctor act in this manner. That is, to say the least, terribly weak.

[capitalacq]

why is it unethical

[Nikrall]

This thread pisses me off.

I was fine with it in UG because things weren't graded on a curve. If people wanted to break the law and take education enhancing drugs, fine. But in LS when things are graded on a curve and people are competing for jobs, it is straight up cheating. No way around it.

dude, everyone does what they can or their advantage.....it's human nature. Stop complaining

And this right here is why a Code of Conduct/Ethics exists for lawyers... and, well, I hope to a certain extent, law students.

You're literally... breaking the law in order to do better in law school. That is ridiculous. Ethics violation up the wazoo. Man up, stop complaining about how you should be able to use illicit substances in order to gain an advantage over your peers, and actually do your best to get your own shit done without drugs enhancing you.

So I take it you never drink coffee or any caffeinated drink?

[rando]

^ really? is that the best you can do?

The bolded reference was obviously to prescription drugs to which a user is not prescribed.

[Nikrall]

^ really? is that the best you can do?

The bolded reference was obviously to prescription drugs to which a user is not prescribed.

I'm aware of what the poster was referencing. The point I am making is that its a stupid point because pretty much everyone these days uses drugs to enhance themselves.

Oh, and has been pointed out by many people legality does not equal morality.

[romothesavior]

^ really? is that the best you can do?

The bolded reference was obviously to prescription drugs to which a user is not prescribed.

I'm aware of what the poster was referencing. The point I am making is that its a stupid point because pretty much everyone these days uses drugs to enhance themselves.

Oh, and has been pointed out by many people legality does not equal morality.

Tell us about the ills of the system and how poor people have unequal access to adderall.

[rando]

^ really? is that the best you can do?

The bolded reference was obviously to prescription drugs to which a user is not prescribed.

I'm aware of what the poster was referencing. The point I am making is that its a stupid point because pretty much everyone these days uses drugs to enhance themselves.

Oh, and has been pointed out by many people legality does not equal morality.

Ok. well then your caffeine point doesn't make sense.

Baseball players who lift weights, use andro & creatine, run in the morning etc. are trying to enhance their performance. But only those players who use steroids are on trial.

[Nikrall]

^ really? is that the best you can do?

The bolded reference was obviously to prescription drugs to which a user is not prescribed.

I'm aware of what the poster was referencing. The point I am making is that its a stupid point because pretty much everyone these days uses drugs to enhance themselves.

Oh, and has been pointed out by many people legality does not equal morality.

Tell us about the ills of the system and how poor people have unequal access to adderall.

No.

[rando]

^ really? is that the best you can do?

The bolded reference was obviously to prescription drugs to which a user is not prescribed.

I'm aware of what the poster was referencing. The point I am making is that its a stupid point because pretty much everyone these days uses drugs to enhance themselves.

Oh, and has been pointed out by many people legality does not equal morality.

Tell us about the ills of the system and how poor people have unequal access to adderall.

Poor people steal it. What's the issue?

[Nikrall]

^ really? is that the best you can do?

The bolded reference was obviously to prescription drugs to which a user is not prescribed.

I'm aware of what the poster was referencing. The point I am making is that its a stupid point because pretty much everyone these days uses drugs to enhance themselves.

Oh, and has been pointed out by many people legality does not equal morality.

Ok. well then your caffeine point doesn't make sense.

Baseball players who lift weights, use andro & creatine, run in the morning etc. are trying to enhance their performance. But only those players who use steroids are on trial.

Pointing out another example of arbitrariness doesn't make this example any less arbitrary.

Why is caffeine OK and Adderall not? Any reason other then legality? And if its just legality, then why the hell are you letting the government decide your morals?

[rando]

I'm aware of what the poster was referencing. The point I am making is that its a stupid point because pretty much everyone these days uses drugs to enhance themselves.

Oh, and has been pointed out by many people legality does not equal morality.

Ok. well then your caffeine point doesn't make sense.

Baseball players who lift weights, use andro & creatine, run in the morning etc. are trying to enhance their performance. But only those players who use steroids are on trial.

Pointing out another example of arbitrariness doesn't make this example any less arbitrary.

Why is caffeine OK and Adderall not? Any reason other then legality? And if its just legality, then why the hell are you letting the government decide your morals?

You can't be serious?

Barring the fact that you choose every day to abide by society's principles of morality and fairness . . . (let's save the philosophical argument for another day)

There is a succinct portion of the population that abides by the law. Regardless of whether you find it moral or not, the fact that most people follow the law, gives you an unfair advantage in the academic arena if you use an illegal performance enhancing substance.

I do government imposed things all the time that I think are stupid. And I am going to pay my increased taxes and abide by new health care laws too. I may even pay my student loans even though I think they are stupid and that banks are immoral and corrupt.

[Mike12188]

I'm allergic to caffeine

[KibblesAndVick]

lol @ people who think ADHD is real

[Borhas]

If the Nazis could use amphetamines so they could kill Soviets without having to eat or sleep, then I can use it to do my homework when I don't feel like it.

AmIRight??

[KibblesAndVick]

If the Nazis could use amphetamines so they could kill Soviets without having to eat or sleep, then I can use it to do my homework when I don't feel like it.

AmIRight??

Deriving moral principals based on Nazi precedent?

[rando]

If the Nazis could use amphetamines so they could kill Soviets without having to eat or sleep, then I can use it to do my homework when I don't feel like it.

AmIRight??

Deriving moral principals based on Nazi precedent?

What could go wrong?