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Wholigan · Post by **Wholigan** » Wed Mar 16, 2011 1:29 pm

Stringer Bell wrote:
bk187 wrote: ~~Sometimes~~ Often times the truth hurts.

I'm not saying it is wrong to get married prior to living together, but I am saying her parents (and people who think the same) are stupid for believing marriage should be a requirement prior to cohabitation.
My fiancee's grandfather is a brilliant engineer who feels that way. I thought he was a smart guy who I just happened to disagree with, but thanks for clarifying that he is indeed a stupid person.

"Intelligent" people in his generation fought viciously to keep the institutions of segregation and Jim Crow alive too. I'm sure plenty of them were successful and smart. And I'm sure plenty of them are the same people who are today hanging onto "traditional" ideals, such as that you are eternally damned if you don't follow their lofty moral standards of getting married prior to living together.

ArthurDigbySellers · Post by **ArthurDigbySellers** » Wed Mar 16, 2011 1:32 pm

Wholigan wrote:
Stringer Bell wrote:
bk187 wrote: ~~Sometimes~~ Often times the truth hurts.

I'm not saying it is wrong to get married prior to living together, but I am saying her parents (and people who think the same) are stupid for believing marriage should be a requirement prior to cohabitation.
My fiancee's grandfather is a brilliant engineer who feels that way. I thought he was a smart guy who I just happened to disagree with, but thanks for clarifying that he is indeed a stupid person.
"Intelligent" people in his generation fought viciously to keep the institutions of segregation and Jim Crow alive too. I'm sure plenty of them were successful and smart. And I'm sure plenty of them are the same people who are today hanging onto "traditional" ideals, such as that you are eternally damned if you don't follow their lofty moral standards of getting married prior to living together.

Wow burn city

esq · Post by **esq** » Wed Mar 16, 2011 1:35 pm

Wholigan wrote:
Stringer Bell wrote: ~~Sometimes~~ Often times the truth hurts.

I'm not saying it is wrong to get married prior to living together, but I am saying her parents (and people who think the same) are stupid for believing marriage should be a requirement prior to cohabitation.
My fiancee's grandfather is a brilliant engineer who feels that way. I thought he was a smart guy who I just happened to disagree with, but thanks for clarifying that he is indeed a stupid person.

My father is a brilliant engineer too. When it comes to numbers, physics, and the sciences, the guy is way above my head. But when it comes to social smarts, the guy is just a flat out idiot. Brilliance in one area doesn't necessarily mean brilliance in another, and especially when it comes to scientific v. socially minded folks.

redsoxfan2495 · Post by **redsoxfan2495** » Wed Mar 16, 2011 1:36 pm

The OP came here for advice on how to deal with his girlfriend's parents' ignorance, and what he got is a debate over whether or not they might be right. Just to add my two cents to a couple of running debates...

- Living together before marriage is usually a good idea. If you're two totally incompatible people its better to discover that before the wedding.

- Respecting one's parents ought to involve listening to their advice openly, not following it blindly.

- An otherwise intelligent person can hold specific stupid beliefs. I've seen antisemitic chess grandmasters and sexist Nobel Prize winners.

BackToTheOldHouse · Post by **BackToTheOldHouse** » Wed Mar 16, 2011 1:36 pm

Wholigan wrote:
Stringer Bell wrote:
bk187 wrote: ~~Sometimes~~ Often times the truth hurts.

I'm not saying it is wrong to get married prior to living together, but I am saying her parents (and people who think the same) are stupid for believing marriage should be a requirement prior to cohabitation.
My fiancee's grandfather is a brilliant engineer who feels that way. I thought he was a smart guy who I just happened to disagree with, but thanks for clarifying that he is indeed a stupid person.
"Intelligent" people in his generation fought viciously to keep the institutions of segregation and Jim Crow alive too. I'm sure plenty of them were successful and smart. And I'm sure plenty of them are the same people who are today hanging onto "traditional" ideals, such as that you are eternally damned if you don't follow their lofty moral standards of getting married prior to living together.

Yea, because Jim Crow laws and believing people should formally commit to each other before cohabitation are EXACTLY the same.

Bad analogy is bad.

redsoxfan2495 · Post by **redsoxfan2495** » Wed Mar 16, 2011 1:39 pm

BackToTheOldHouse wrote:Yea, because Jim Crow laws and believing people should formally commit to each other before cohabitation are EXACTLY the same.

Bad analogy is bad.

You might object to his analogy, but can you really disagree with the point he's trying to make? Smart people sometimes hold ridiculous views.

ArthurDigbySellers · Post by **ArthurDigbySellers** » Wed Mar 16, 2011 1:40 pm

BackToTheOldHouse wrote:
Wholigan wrote:
Stringer Bell wrote:
bk187 wrote: ~~Sometimes~~ Often times the truth hurts.

I'm not saying it is wrong to get married prior to living together, but I am saying her parents (and people who think the same) are stupid for believing marriage should be a requirement prior to cohabitation.
My fiancee's grandfather is a brilliant engineer who feels that way. I thought he was a smart guy who I just happened to disagree with, but thanks for clarifying that he is indeed a stupid person.
"Intelligent" people in his generation fought viciously to keep the institutions of segregation and Jim Crow alive too. I'm sure plenty of them were successful and smart. And I'm sure plenty of them are the same people who are today hanging onto "traditional" ideals, such as that you are eternally damned if you don't follow their lofty moral standards of getting married prior to living together.
Yea, because Jim Crow laws and believing people should formally commit to each other before cohabitation are EXACTLY the same.

Bad analogy is bad.

whooooooooooooosh!

The analogy was that otherwise smart people are capable of unintelligent thought--in his analogy it was RELIGION (from which the parents derived their beliefs on cohabitation-although he really wasn't addressing the issue the OP presented at all), not fucking cohabitation, compared to racist laws and traditions. Point being that people aren't always intelligent in all facets of their lives.

halostarbucks · Post by **halostarbucks** » Wed Mar 16, 2011 1:40 pm

Christianity is Dark Age bullshit. And opinions borne of religion, such as the chastity meme, don't fall far from the bullshit tree.

Magnolia · Post by **Magnolia** » Wed Mar 16, 2011 1:40 pm

BackToTheOldHouse wrote:
Stringer Bell wrote:
bk187 wrote: ~~Sometimes~~ Often times the truth hurts.

I'm not saying it is wrong to get married prior to living together, but I am saying her parents (and people who think the same) are stupid for believing marriage should be a requirement prior to cohabitation.
My fiancee's grandfather is a brilliant engineer who feels that way. I thought he was a smart guy who I just happened to disagree with, but thanks for clarifying that he is indeed a stupid person.
Yea, I wish stupid old people would just shut up and listen to the smart progressives in our society.

No, you're right. It's way better for kids these days to listen to people who are trapped in loveless, sexless, unfulfilling marriages. Those are the people who can offer the best advice about what it takes to make a relationship successful. Tradition is always what's best, no matter what.

Wholigan · Post by **Wholigan** » Wed Mar 16, 2011 1:42 pm

BackToTheOldHouse wrote:
Wholigan wrote:
Stringer Bell wrote: My fiancee's grandfather is a brilliant engineer who feels that way. I thought he was a smart guy who I just happened to disagree with, but thanks for clarifying that he is indeed a stupid person.
"Intelligent" people in his generation fought viciously to keep the institutions of segregation and Jim Crow alive too. I'm sure plenty of them were successful and smart. And I'm sure plenty of them are the same people who are today hanging onto "traditional" ideals, such as that you are eternally damned if you don't follow their lofty moral standards of getting married prior to living together.
Yea, because Jim Crow laws and believing people should formally commit to each other before cohabitation are EXACTLY the same.

Bad analogy is bad.

Hmmm... segregation was once seen as a "traditional" value. Both beliefs seem to have been/are the most prevalent in the "Bible Belt." Not to mention the related anti-gay sentiment. It is going to be every bit as tough to explain to our grandchildren why people fought so hard against gay marriage in our generation as it was for our grandparents to explain away the fight against segregation in their day.

Nicholasnickynic · Post by **Nicholasnickynic** » Wed Mar 16, 2011 1:42 pm

BackToTheOldHouse wrote:
Wholigan wrote:
Stringer Bell wrote:
bk187 wrote: ~~Sometimes~~ Often times the truth hurts.

I'm not saying it is wrong to get married prior to living together, but I am saying her parents (and people who think the same) are stupid for believing marriage should be a requirement prior to cohabitation.
My fiancee's grandfather is a brilliant engineer who feels that way. I thought he was a smart guy who I just happened to disagree with, but thanks for clarifying that he is indeed a stupid person.
"Intelligent" people in his generation fought viciously to keep the institutions of segregation and Jim Crow alive too. I'm sure plenty of them were successful and smart. And I'm sure plenty of them are the same people who are today hanging onto "traditional" ideals, such as that you are eternally damned if you don't follow their lofty moral standards of getting married prior to living together.
Yea, because Jim Crow laws and believing people should formally commit to each other before cohabitation are EXACTLY the same.

Bad analogy is bad.

Telling people how to live their life based solely on moral standards?

Good analogy is good.

I also like how you analyze the analogy by repeating it in a sarcastic tone.

DMBFan · Post by **DMBFan** » Wed Mar 16, 2011 1:42 pm

You are at the stage in your lives when you have to do what's best for you and your relationship. I would explain to her parents that you respect their views but do not share them. In the end I imagine you would regret living separately more than you would regret upsetting her parents. If you do end up getting married, this disagreement will eventually be forgotten.

ArthurDigbySellers · Post by **ArthurDigbySellers** » Wed Mar 16, 2011 1:43 pm

Magnolia wrote:
BackToTheOldHouse wrote:
Stringer Bell wrote:
bk187 wrote: ~~Sometimes~~ Often times the truth hurts.

I'm not saying it is wrong to get married prior to living together, but I am saying her parents (and people who think the same) are stupid for believing marriage should be a requirement prior to cohabitation.
My fiancee's grandfather is a brilliant engineer who feels that way. I thought he was a smart guy who I just happened to disagree with, but thanks for clarifying that he is indeed a stupid person.
Yea, I wish stupid old people would just shut up and listen to the smart progressives in our society.
No, you're right. It's way better for kids these days to listen to people who are trapped in loveless, sexless, unfulfilling marriages. Those are the people who can offer the best advice about what it takes to make a relationship successful. Tradition is always what's best, no matter what.

Gliiiiiiib.

Man, if you think that cohabitation before marriage is "progressive," well, that's just the funniest goddamned thing I've ever heard. Maybe if you're from the Bible Belt.

BackToTheOldHouse · Post by **BackToTheOldHouse** » Wed Mar 16, 2011 1:43 pm

ArthurDigbySellers wrote:
whooooooooooooosh!

The analogy was that otherwise smart people are capable of unintelligent thought--in his analogy it was RELIGION (from which the parents derived their beliefs on cohabitation-although he really wasn't addressing the issue the OP presented at all), not fucking cohabitation, compared to racist laws and traditions. Point being that people aren't always intelligent in all facets of their lives.

Great. Thanks for clarifying. Religion = racist laws. Got it.

bk1 · Post by **bk1** » Wed Mar 16, 2011 1:46 pm

BackToTheOldHouse wrote:Great. Thanks for clarifying. Religion = racist laws. Got it.

Great. Thanks for arguing semantics rather than putting up any semblance of a valid argument. Got it.

ArthurDigbySellers · Post by **ArthurDigbySellers** » Wed Mar 16, 2011 1:47 pm

BackToTheOldHouse wrote:
ArthurDigbySellers wrote:
whooooooooooooosh!

The analogy was that otherwise smart people are capable of unintelligent thought--in his analogy it was RELIGION (from which the parents derived their beliefs on cohabitation-although he really wasn't addressing the issue the OP presented at all), not fucking cohabitation, compared to racist laws and traditions. Point being that people aren't always intelligent in all facets of their lives.
Great. Thanks for clarifying. Religion = racist laws. Got it.

Still going over your head huh? Sorry.

paratactical · Post by **paratactical** » Wed Mar 16, 2011 1:49 pm

paratactical wrote:
BackToTheOldHouse wrote: FTFY
I never said that you had to live together before marriage. You need to learn to read.

Also, FWIW, there is nothing wrong with not wanting to live together before marriage or wanting to get married before you have sex or what have you, as long as that's what you and your partner decide.

The issue ITT is that the girl's parents won't let her and her partner make the decision and that's where the problem is. Posters telling them to get married and the chick's parents should STFU.

I like how none of the people outright advocating that the OP marry the girl have bothered to respond to this post.

BackToTheOldHouse · Post by **BackToTheOldHouse** » Wed Mar 16, 2011 1:49 pm

bk187 wrote:
BackToTheOldHouse wrote:Great. Thanks for clarifying. Religion = racist laws. Got it.
Great. Thanks for arguing semantics rather than putting up any semblance of a valid argument. Got it.

Yea, you're right, I shouldn't be paying attention to the words used in an argument. My bad.

ArthurDigbySellers · Post by **ArthurDigbySellers** » Wed Mar 16, 2011 1:51 pm

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BackToTheOldHouse · Post by **BackToTheOldHouse** » Wed Mar 16, 2011 1:52 pm

paratactical wrote:
paratactical wrote:
BackToTheOldHouse wrote: FTFY
I never said that you had to live together before marriage. You need to learn to read.

Also, FWIW, there is nothing wrong with not wanting to live together before marriage or wanting to get married before you have sex or what have you, as long as that's what you and your partner decide.

The issue ITT is that the girl's parents won't let her and her partner make the decision and that's where the problem is. Posters telling them to get married and the chick's parents should STFU.
I like how none of the people outright advocating that the OP marry the girl have bothered to respond to this post.

Your reasoning is so brilliant that no one wants to argue with you.

ArthurDigbySellers · Post by **ArthurDigbySellers** » Wed Mar 16, 2011 1:52 pm

BackToTheOldHouse wrote:
bk187 wrote:
BackToTheOldHouse wrote:Great. Thanks for clarifying. Religion = racist laws. Got it.
Great. Thanks for arguing semantics rather than putting up any semblance of a valid argument. Got it.
Yea, you're right, I shouldn't be paying attention to the words used in an argument. My bad.

At the expense of paying attention to the actual arguments, it's a cop out and it makes you weak. Suckaaa

ArthurDigbySellers · Post by **ArthurDigbySellers** » Wed Mar 16, 2011 1:53 pm

BackToTheOldHouse wrote:
paratactical wrote:
paratactical wrote:
BackToTheOldHouse wrote: FTFY
I never said that you had to live together before marriage. You need to learn to read.

Also, FWIW, there is nothing wrong with not wanting to live together before marriage or wanting to get married before you have sex or what have you, as long as that's what you and your partner decide.

The issue ITT is that the girl's parents won't let her and her partner make the decision and that's where the problem is. Posters telling them to get married and the chick's parents should STFU.
I like how none of the people outright advocating that the OP marry the girl have bothered to respond to this post.
Your reasoning is so brilliant that no one wants to argue with you.

Cute.

paratactical · Post by **paratactical** » Wed Mar 16, 2011 1:53 pm

BackToTheOldHouse wrote:
paratactical wrote:
paratactical wrote:
BackToTheOldHouse wrote: FTFY
I never said that you had to live together before marriage. You need to learn to read.

Also, FWIW, there is nothing wrong with not wanting to live together before marriage or wanting to get married before you have sex or what have you, as long as that's what you and your partner decide.

The issue ITT is that the girl's parents won't let her and her partner make the decision and that's where the problem is. Posters telling them to get married and the chick's parents should STFU.
I like how none of the people outright advocating that the OP marry the girl have bothered to respond to this post.
Your reasoning is so brilliant that no one wants to argue with you.

So you think that the decision to get married should be made by people other than the couple considering marriage?

BackToTheOldHouse · Post by **BackToTheOldHouse** » Wed Mar 16, 2011 1:54 pm

Here's my argument: people should make decisions and then live with the outcome of those decisions. If one outcome is that your baby-momma parents hate you, deal with it.

ArthurDigbySellers · Post by **ArthurDigbySellers** » Wed Mar 16, 2011 1:55 pm

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