T6 Forum

[HamDel]

T5 is established. NYU is no different than Penn or Cornell, save for its strong placement in the largest legal market.

The only reason there is a T6 distinction is because Chicago refused to adjust its per-student spending calculated for US News until two years ago to be in line with its piers.

I think NYU is a better deal than most of the T14s because the NYC market is so big.

dude you are a joke kid. you are the same guy who keeps arguing on this board that chicago is better than harvard. i am glad you love chicago but you need to stop your delusional rants. i would give others a pass since they are just joking or flaming, but you actually believe chicago is so above everything else. you need to get your head checked. i am sorry but ive been on this board for a while and i know you didn't choose chicago. that was the only t6 you had a shot at getting into.

Broski. I attended Chicago because I am a fiscal conservative with an economics background, wanted to attend a small school, and have a lot of personal connections to the school. I didn't want to attend the other schools and am not sure if I would have been admitted or not. However, I think I would have been competitive.

Chicago isn't better than the other T6 schools. There are good reasons to attend each. I just don't personally prefer Harvard because of the diluted faculty due to the large class size (unlike Columbia and NYU who bring in practitioners to accommodate huge classes, H brings in less-renowned/pedagogically weak professors), as well as the less-than-stellar placement of the bottom part of the class due to the surplus of Harvard grads. Fix this and Harvard is better than Yale.

This reminds me of a very famous post. I'm sure you've all seen it, but it's always worth another read... --LinkRemoved--

"I have seen a homely Chicago girl, deep into her second year, still spontaneously weeping upon Proustian recollections of the stiff NO Harvard sent her, in brisk three-week turnaround time from the point her doomed application was deemed complete. Happy December, chickiepoo. Then the Yale axe fell, as it does..."

But then again, Mort is a busy globetrotting international telecom executive with billions of dollars and a demanding schedule, so he has probably never had time to bother with such silly posts.

[dontTazemeBrah]

You really don't understand what he is saying? Maybe its because so many of my friends are Indian that I understand completely. Here is an example. I have an Indian friend who was studying business at University of Pittsburgh, which is certainly a good school. But his family back in India wasn't enamored with the prestige and "name" of the school, and encouraged him to switch to another school. He transferred to a school with more of a brand name, but a WORSE business program, solely because his parents wanted him attending a school with a name they could use to impress others.

I could totally see a Chinese kid in my town getting nothing but scorn from his parents for picking a school that simply isn't a brand name as far as lay prestige goes. Doesn't matter if it is ranked close to Harvard. The name isn't the same in their community, and that matters to them.

Well, Tazemebrah's posts are weird for other reasons, too: 1. he mad (why he so mad though?) and 2. he just assumes TaipeiMost is Chinese and makes a whole post about it. Plus, it's just generally weird when people make accusations based on race/ethnicity.

i am not mad. i am just confused by the inaccurate information he keeps disposing on this forum. i am sure you are not mad though since you managed to sneak into chicago off the waitlist with your sub 170 lsat and mediocre gpa when you had your bags packed for that dump called cornell. secondly, i didn't assume. i know for a fact he is chinese since i've seen his past posts before.

[dontTazemeBrah]

T5 is established. NYU is no different than Penn or Cornell, save for its strong placement in the largest legal market.

The only reason there is a T6 distinction is because Chicago refused to adjust its per-student spending calculated for US News until two years ago to be in line with its piers.

I think NYU is a better deal than most of the T14s because the NYC market is so big.

dude you are a joke kid. you are the same guy who keeps arguing on this board that chicago is better than harvard. i am glad you love chicago but you need to stop your delusional rants. i would give others a pass since they are just joking or flaming, but you actually believe chicago is so above everything else. you need to get your head checked. i am sorry but ive been on this board for a while and i know you didn't choose chicago. that was the only t6 you had a shot at getting into.

Broski. I attended Chicago because I am a fiscal conservative with an economics background, wanted to attend a small school, and have a lot of personal connections to the school. I didn't want to attend the other schools and am not sure if I would have been admitted or not. However, I think I would have been competitive.

Chicago isn't better than the other T6 schools. There are good reasons to attend each. I just don't personally prefer Harvard because of the diluted faculty due to the large class size (unlike Columbia and NYU who bring in practitioners to accommodate huge classes, H brings in less-renowned/pedagogically weak professors), as well as the less-than-stellar placement of the bottom part of the class due to the surplus of Harvard grads. Fix this and Harvard is better than Yale.

This reminds me of a very famous post. I'm sure you've all seen it, but it's always worth another read... --LinkRemoved--

"I have seen a homely Chicago girl, deep into her second year, still spontaneously weeping upon Proustian recollections of the stiff NO Harvard sent her, in brisk three-week turnaround time from the point her doomed application was deemed complete. Happy December, chickiepoo. Then the Yale axe fell, as it does..."

But then again, Mort is a busy globetrotting international telecom executive with billions of dollars and a demanding schedule, so he has probably never had time to bother with such silly posts.

lol that fits taipeimort 100%.

[Bildungsroman]

You really don't understand what he is saying? Maybe its because so many of my friends are Indian that I understand completely. Here is an example. I have an Indian friend who was studying business at University of Pittsburgh, which is certainly a good school. But his family back in India wasn't enamored with the prestige and "name" of the school, and encouraged him to switch to another school. He transferred to a school with more of a brand name, but a WORSE business program, solely because his parents wanted him attending a school with a name they could use to impress others.

I could totally see a Chinese kid in my town getting nothing but scorn from his parents for picking a school that simply isn't a brand name as far as lay prestige goes. Doesn't matter if it is ranked close to Harvard. The name isn't the same in their community, and that matters to them.

Well, Tazemebrah's posts are weird for other reasons, too: 1. he mad (why he so mad though?) and 2. he just assumes TaipeiMost is Chinese and makes a whole post about it. Plus, it's just generally weird when people make accusations based on race/ethnicity.

i am not mad. i am just confused by the inaccurate information he keeps disposing on this forum. i am sure you are not mad though since you managed to sneak into chicago off the waitlist with your sub 170 lsat and mediocre gpa when you had your bags packed for that dump called cornell. secondly, i didn't assume. i know for a fact he is chinese since i've seen his past posts before.

[dontTazemeBrah]

lol why am i not surprised. typical you mad internet meme from a keyboard warrior. enjoy chicago brah, i thought they had more originality over there but i guess they only offer "rigor" and "conservatism".

[JDizzle2015]

Plus, it's just generally weird when people make accusations based on race/ethnicity.

That's what I was thinking... maybe I'm just too "PC" but something about making (judgmental) accusations about people based on race/ethnicity just doesn't rub me the right way.

i am sure you are not mad though since you managed to sneak into chicago off the waitlist with your sub 170 lsat and mediocre gpa when you had your bags packed for that dump called cornell.

w/e... I guess TazemeBrah is just someone I wouldn't get along with anyways.

[kaiser]

Plus, it's just generally weird when people make accusations based on race/ethnicity.

That's what I was thinking... maybe I'm just too "PC" but something about making (judgmental) accusations about people based on race/ethnicity just doesn't rub me the right way.

Yeah, I know this board is squeaky clean on the PC front, but where I come from, that would hardly be offensive. My area is a series of ethnic neighborhoods. Saying parents in the Chinese one tend to really value where their kids go to school is no different than saying the Jewish ones tend to have great bagels. Does it mean there can't be better bagel places elsewhere? Does it mean the Jewish neighborhood doesn't have a crappy bagel place? Of course not. Just like there are of course Chinese parents who don't fit that mold. Doesn't mean that, if you went into that neighborhood it wouldn't appear to be the case. And this is even more strongly supported when you have friends of all ethnic groups that wholeheartedly acknowledge that these perceptions do tend to be true, and are happy to joke about them.

Perhaps you didn't like that the perception wasn't being used as a joke, but in a more antagonistic manner. In that respect, I agree that it may have been inappropriate. But the mere observation itself? I don't think there is anything wrong with it.

[JDizzle2015]

Yeah, I know this board is squeaky clean on the PC front, but where I come from, that would hardly be offensive. My area is a series of ethnic neighborhoods. Saying parents in the Chinese one tend to really value where their kids go to school is no different than saying the Jewish ones tend to have great bagels. Does it mean there can't be better bagel places elsewhere? Does it mean the Jewish neighborhood doesn't have a crappy bagel place? Of course not. Just like there are of course Chinese parents who don't fit that mold. Doesn't mean that, if you went into that neighborhood it wouldn't appear to be the case. And this is even more strongly supported when you have friends of all ethnic groups that wholeheartedly acknowledge that these perceptions do tend to be true, and are happy to joke about them.

Perhaps you didn't like that the perception wasn't being used as a joke, but in a more antagonistic manner. In that respect, I agree that it may have been inappropriate. But the mere observation itself? I don't think there is anything wrong with it.

You're absolutely right.

I was a little sheltered growing up because my city was ~95% caucasian so I get uneasy whenever people make judgments on someone re: race but you make a good point. I also agree with your last point.

[HamDel]

Plus, it's just generally weird when people make accusations based on race/ethnicity.

That's what I was thinking... maybe I'm just too "PC" but something about making (judgmental) accusations about people based on race/ethnicity just doesn't rub me the right way.

i am sure you are not mad though since you managed to sneak into chicago off the waitlist with your sub 170 lsat and mediocre gpa when you had your bags packed for that dump called cornell.

Really? If this represents the mindset of a UChicago law student, I'm happy that my sub-"medicore gpa" and lowly 170 LSAT makes me unworthy.

w/e... I guess TazemeBrah is just someone I wouldn't get along with anyways.

I get the feeling that a lot of Chicago students are kind of like this. Bitter, prestige obsessed rejects in the Midwest with 3.45 GPAs that got them rejected from the coastal schools and a persistent, all-consuming hope that people in other areas of the country will recognize the "intensity" of their school.

[birdlaw117]

Plus, it's just generally weird when people make accusations based on race/ethnicity.

That's what I was thinking... maybe I'm just too "PC" but something about making (judgmental) accusations about people based on race/ethnicity just doesn't rub me the right way.

i am sure you are not mad though since you managed to sneak into chicago off the waitlist with your sub 170 lsat and mediocre gpa when you had your bags packed for that dump called cornell.

Really? If this represents the mindset of a UChicago law student, I'm happy that my sub-"medicore gpa" and lowly 170 LSAT makes me unworthy.

w/e... I guess TazemeBrah is just someone I wouldn't get along with anyways.

I get the feeling that a lot of Chicago students are kind of like this. Bitter, prestige obsessed rejects in the Midwest with 3.45 GPAs that got them rejected from the coastal schools and a persistent, all-consuming hope that people in other areas of the country will recognize the "intensity" of their school.

[Bildungsroman]

i am sure you are not mad though since you managed to sneak into chicago off the waitlist with your sub 170 lsat and mediocre gpa when you had your bags packed for that dump called cornell.

Really? If this represents the mindset of a UChicago law student, I'm happy that my sub-"medicore gpa" and lowly 170 LSAT makes me unworthy.

w/e... I guess TazemeBrah is just someone I wouldn't get along with anyways.

What the fuck? JDizzle, you do realize that in the exchange you quoted, I'm the UChicago law student and the person whose words you're imputing to the UChicago mindset is not the Chicago student, right? Try to keep all the players straight.

[kaiser]

Now we all mad (and confused)

[Helmholtz]

I get the feeling that a lot of Chicago students are kind of like this. Bitter, prestige obsessed rejects in the Midwest with 3.45 GPAs that got them rejected from the coastal schools and a persistent, all-consuming hope that people in other areas of the country will recognize the "intensity" of their school.

I think this guy goes to CLS. Not too unusual for students there to get into the "everybody wishes they were me" mindset, probably due to the self-consciousness that comes along with being East Coast prestige-obsessed rejects who couldn't manage to get into Harvard or Yale.

I would also like to point out that the 25th percentile for UChicago's undergrad GPA is 3.71 and their median is 3.87. Not sure where the 3.45 thing comes from, but I don't think we should be surprised he's incredibly misinformed or hyperbolic.

[Guchster]

I get the feeling that a lot of Chicago students are kind of like this. Bitter, prestige obsessed rejects in the Midwest with 3.45 GPAs that got them rejected from the coastal schools and a persistent, all-consuming hope that people in other areas of the country will recognize the "intensity" of their school.

I think this guy goes to CLS. Not too unusual for students there to get into the "everybody wishes they were me" mindset, probably due to the self-consciousness that comes along with being East Coast prestige-obsessed rejects who couldn't manage to get into Harvard or Yale.

I would also like to point out that the 25th percentile for UChicago's undergrad GPA is 3.71 and their median is 3.87. Not sure where the 3.45 thing comes from, but I don't think we should be surprised he's incredibly misinformed or hyperbolic.

I don't know if that dude goes to CLS, but I do, and I can tell you that you are correct about the mindset and nature of us CLS hoodrats.

That is all.

[Guchster]

Now we all mad (and confused)

THIS!

[JDizzle2015]

What the fuck? JDizzle, you do realize that in the exchange you quoted, I'm the UChicago law student and the person whose words you're imputing to the UChicago mindset is not the Chicago student, right? Try to keep all the players straight.

Edited to remove my completely unwarranted comment/assumption about UChicago students.

[Guchster]

What the fuck? JDizzle, you do realize that in the exchange you quoted, I'm the UChicago law student and the person whose words you're imputing to the UChicago mindset is not the Chicago student, right? Try to keep all the players straight.

Edited to remove my completely unwarranted comment/assumption about UChicago students.

Re-using

[JamMasterJ]

Plus, it's just generally weird when people make accusations based on race/ethnicity.

That's what I was thinking... maybe I'm just too "PC" but something about making (judgmental) accusations about people based on race/ethnicity just doesn't rub me the right way.

i am sure you are not mad though since you managed to sneak into chicago off the waitlist with your sub 170 lsat and mediocre gpa when you had your bags packed for that dump called cornell.

w/e... I guess TazemeBrah is just someone I wouldn't get along with anyways.

I thought >4.0 was a good gpa?

[HamDel]

Sorry, I got confused. The point I really meant to make is that Taipei Mort is delusional and posts a lot of crazy stuff on here all the time.

[1988AndX]

no matter how many times you repeat it, chicago is not better than harvard you clown. are you mad that you are chinese and the chinese think of harvard as way better than chicago? why do you keep embarrassing yourself by spouting this nonsense every month on here? trust me bud, whoever tells you they picked chicago over harvard is lying. btw, your 171 would have been competitive.

Lol what is this I don't even...

+1... the hell does that mean?

You really don't understand what he is saying? Maybe its because so many of my friends are Indian that I understand completely. Here is an example. I have an Indian friend who was studying business at University of Pittsburgh, which is certainly a good school. But his family back in India wasn't enamored with the prestige and "name" of the school, and encouraged him to switch to another school. He transferred to a school with more of a brand name, but a WORSE business program, solely because his parents wanted him attending a school with a name they could use to impress others.

I could totally see a Chinese kid in my town getting nothing but scorn from his parents for picking a school that simply isn't a brand name as far as lay prestige goes. Doesn't matter if it is ranked close to Harvard. The name isn't the same in their community, and that matters to them.

I can definitely understand what he's talking about. It reminds me of my prep school. I think that prestige matters to three crowds more than others: Chinese, Jewish, and east coast prep school.

[kaiser]

I can definitely understand what he's talking about. It reminds me of my prep school. I think that prestige matters to three crowds more than others: Chinese, Jewish, and east coast prep school.

Lets not forget Indians too. This used to give myself (Jewish), my Asian, and Indian friends constant grounds for commiseration.

[062914123]

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[Tiago Splitter]

I get the feeling that a lot of Chicago students are kind of like this. Bitter, prestige obsessed rejects in the Midwest with 3.45 GPAs that got them rejected from the coastal schools and a persistent, all-consuming hope that people in other areas of the country will recognize the "intensity" of their school.

I think this guy goes to CLS. Not too unusual for students there to get into the "everybody wishes they were me" mindset, probably due to the self-consciousness that comes along with being East Coast prestige-obsessed rejects who couldn't manage to get into Harvard or Yale.

I would also like to point out that the 25th percentile for UChicago's undergrad GPA is 3.71 and their median is 3.87. Not sure where the 3.45 thing comes from, but I don't think we should be surprised he's incredibly misinformed or hyperbolic.

+1. Having already been accepted at NYU I can only hope Chicago will take my 3.45 GPA.

[TaipeiMort]

I thought about not responding because I don't want to out myself. But, I can't stop myself.

First, I am not Chinese.

Second, I really do not deserve any crap because I decided to go to Chicago instead of the other schools where I was competitive. I am married and have a kid. Most of the top schools really aren't family friendly. Chicago is. We have friends and family at the school. It makes it really easy when you are a conservative married person to go to a school with a hugely disproportionate number of married conservative people. I enjoy Chicago for its "unique" student body. I can go through school and socialize with other married adults, non-hot people, shy/socially awkward people. It is like attending a magnet junior high school. My wife used to worry that I would flirt at school, until I brought her around campus and she met the girls and realized that there was no chance of me flirting in the world (not to say they are ugly, just that they are chill and respectful).

Third, I only troll for Chicago because it has paid my investment back BIG time. I hope other people can see what a great investment it is. From slightly above median I got 12 callbacks in 9 markets including McKinsey and some awesome V10s, and better offers than I could have really expected. I love my education, learning from Baird, Levmore, Posner, Posner Jr., Epstein, Easterbrook, Wood, Ginsburg, and others has been an incredible experience. The student body is funny, amiable, and pimp.

Fourth, I do not make "crazy" statements on this board. I've basically only said 3 things people haven't liked:

1) NYU is a very strong regional school, meaning that you should go to Columbia if you want CA, not NYU.

2) Harvard is weaksauce because they choose to hire a diluted academic faculty to accommodate their large class instead of a practitioner faculty like Columbia and NYU.

3) People underestimate how bad it is for bottom-half kids at Harvard because of the relative number of below-median kids. At Chicago most I know have a great job lined up. The ones that don't were screwed by bidding strategy or social skills. Anecdotally, I know people at NYU, Columbia, and Harvard that stand below median have had sucky prospects because their schools are churning out over twice the number of grads at Yale, Stanford, and Chicago. Every firm may want both a Chicago and Harvard kid (especially because Chicago has twice the number of partners per-capita as Harvard), but they may not want two Harvard kids and a Chicago kid. The combination of lay prestige and decision by the administration to make more $$ instead of being the best law school on the planet makes for a pretty misleading package.

[ahnhub]

The combination of lay prestige and decision by the administration to make more $$ instead of being the best law school on the planet makes for a pretty misleading package.

You really think HLS is hurting for money? Have you seen their endowment? In fact I think I've read somewhere that most T-14 schools end up spending more per student than they collect in tuition.