Georgetown Law Class of 2019 Forum

[dcdogs]

After being dragged along for over a month, I just got a message that Georgetown is giving me NO merit aid. I am at or above their 75th percentiles, have very strong softs, and live in DC. I have also been accepted to Harvard and gotten large scholarships, including a full ride, from higher ranked schools.

I am very confused and disappointed, as Georgetown was originally one of my top choices. Does anyone have an explanation/has a similar experience?

[threatlevelmidnight]

After being dragged along for over a month, I just got a message that Georgetown is giving me NO merit aid. I am at or above their 75th percentiles, have very strong softs, and live in DC. I have also been accepted to Harvard and gotten large scholarships, including a full ride, from higher ranked schools.

I am very confused and disappointed, as Georgetown was originally one of my top choices. Does anyone have an explanation/has a similar experience?

Did you ask for merit aid? Do they know you want to go there? I think it's likely that they have given scholarships to people that they think will go there. If your numbers are at or above both 75ths they probably know they can't offer enough money to lure you away from a higher ranked school, which as you said, you've already received good money from.

[dcdogs]

After being dragged along for over a month, I just got a message that Georgetown is giving me NO merit aid. I am at or above their 75th percentiles, have very strong softs, and live in DC. I have also been accepted to Harvard and gotten large scholarships, including a full ride, from higher ranked schools.

I am very confused and disappointed, as Georgetown was originally one of my top choices. Does anyone have an explanation/has a similar experience?

Did you ask for merit aid? Do they know you want to go there? I think it's likely that they have given scholarships to people that they think will go there. If your numbers are at or above both 75ths they probably know they can't offer enough money to lure you away from a higher ranked school, which as you said, you've already received good money from.

Yes, I sent them multiple scholarship inquiries, indicating that Georgetown remained a top choice since I was very interested in staying in DC.

[ih8makingscreennames]

After being dragged along for over a month, I just got a message that Georgetown is giving me NO merit aid. I am at or above their 75th percentiles, have very strong softs, and live in DC. I have also been accepted to Harvard and gotten large scholarships, including a full ride, from higher ranked schools.

I am very confused and disappointed, as Georgetown was originally one of my top choices. Does anyone have an explanation/has a similar experience?

We are in this together. I had a phone call with them and said why would I choose to go here with no aid with substaintial schollys to higher ranked schools. Georgetown was initially my top choice. The fizzled a bit due to lack of contact, but it died with this alternate crap.

[dizzystpizzy]

After being dragged along for over a month, I just got a message that Georgetown is giving me NO merit aid. I am at or above their 75th percentiles, have very strong softs, and live in DC. I have also been accepted to Harvard and gotten large scholarships, including a full ride, from higher ranked schools.

I am very confused and disappointed, as Georgetown was originally one of my top choices. Does anyone have an explanation/has a similar experience?

We are in this together. I had a phone call with them and said why would I choose to go here with no aid with substaintial schollys to higher ranked schools. Georgetown was initially my top choice. The fizzled a bit due to lack of contact, but it died with this alternate crap.

Feel like this will be my future. Sorry to both of you.

[coocooforcoacoapuffs]

Does anyone know how bad the construction noise is going to be? It's located right next to the student dorms and I'm wondering if it's worth looking for off campus housing to be away from it

[letmeseeyoulurkit]

Does anyone know how bad the construction noise is going to be? It's located right next to the student dorms and I'm wondering if it's worth looking for off campus housing to be away from it

An ASW tour guide commented on this. She explained that she'd never noticed it, starts weekdays between 8-9am and supposedly doesn't reach the dorms. That could change depending on the phase construction is in (i'd think anyway).

D.C. noise varies depending on where you live in the city, whether you're in an apartment v. house, floor, etc. I mean nothing at NY levels. I believe some students live in the Chinatown Avalon (and neighboring apartments), pricey but probably not far off the dorms in my estimation, and pretty darn quiet from inside. Could be worth emailing the hotline and asking for the names of the tour guides from the most recent ASW and then picking their brains. I've got nothing from a law student perspective but if you want to go rouge feel free to PM me about specific areas and their accessibility from a resident perspective.

[gazorpazorp]

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[OtterLaw]

Got another scholarship increase which is far and away better than my current offer from my other top school, but I'm pretty disgusted by GULC's recently-released 2015 employment numbers. 44.4 % BL/FC (less than UT, Vandy, UCLA). Less than 70% LT, JD-req employment.

While I'm certainly happy that people are having good luck with scholarship increases, I'm getting pretty frustrated that it's been almost a month since I got accepted and they've yet to get back to me about my initial merit aid offer. With deposit deadlines approaching, one would think they would be looking to get people some initial numbers before reaching out for renegotiations to other people.

Oh well, I'm going to have to move on in a few days if I don't hear something.

[Drmrndaphd]

Got another scholarship increase which is far and away better than my current offer from my other top school, but I'm pretty disgusted by GULC's recently-released 2015 employment numbers. 44.4 % BL/FC (less than UT, Vandy, UCLA). Less than 70% LT, JD-req employment.

I'm considering paying sticker at a higher ranked school. It doesn't matter how much cheaper GULC is if I'm not going to find a job after graduating..

[darkchildnana]

Got another scholarship increase which is far and away better than my current offer from my other top school, but I'm pretty disgusted by GULC's recently-released 2015 employment numbers. 44.4 % BL/FC (less than UT, Vandy, UCLA). Less than 70% LT, JD-req employment.

where can I find all of this info?

[JeanLucPicard]

Got another scholarship increase which is far and away better than my current offer from my other top school, but I'm pretty disgusted by GULC's recently-released 2015 employment numbers. 44.4 % BL/FC (less than UT, Vandy, UCLA). Less than 70% LT, JD-req employment.

where can I find all of this info?

It's in their latest ABA employment data. https://www.law.georgetown.edu/careers/ ... Bundle.pdf

[darkchildnana]

Got another scholarship increase which is far and away better than my current offer from my other top school, but I'm pretty disgusted by GULC's recently-released 2015 employment numbers. 44.4 % BL/FC (less than UT, Vandy, UCLA). Less than 70% LT, JD-req employment.

where can I find all of this info?

It's in their latest ABA employment data. https://www.law.georgetown.edu/careers/ ... Bundle.pdf

muchas gracias

[stretchedtoothin]

Got another scholarship increase which is far and away better than my current offer from my other top school, but I'm pretty disgusted by GULC's recently-released 2015 employment numbers. 44.4 % BL/FC (less than UT, Vandy, UCLA). Less than 70% LT, JD-req employment.

I'm considering paying sticker at a higher ranked school. It doesn't matter how much cheaper GULC is if I'm not going to find a job after graduating..

You could also retake the LSAT.

[Biglaw1990]

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[coocooforcoacoapuffs]

I think an important factor to consider is how much faith you have in yourself (assuming you want the biglaw/clerkship route). Whenever I read TLS talking about the numbers, most talk about it as if once you're in a school, the employment numbers determine the %chance that you specifically get the job you want. Instead, I think it'd be useful to use the numbers as a measure of how good you need to be.

i.e. at GULC, you gotta be better than at least half of the class. Maybe at a place like NU, you only need to be better than 40% or 30% of the class (didn't check the numbers)

If you're comfortable with that, then I'd take GULC with $$$ than a higher school with less.

[benwyatt]

I think an important factor to consider is how much faith you have in yourself (assuming you want the biglaw/clerkship route). Whenever I read TLS talking about the numbers, most talk about it as if once you're in a school, the employment numbers determine the %chance that you specifically get the job you want. Instead, I think it'd be useful to use the numbers as a measure of how good you need to be.

i.e. at GULC, you gotta be better than at least half of the class. Maybe at a place like NU, you only need to be better than 40% or 30% of the class (didn't check the numbers)

If you're comfortable with that, then I'd take GULC with $$$ than a higher school with less.

You've oversimplifying being "better than at least half the class."
Our 1L classes will be graded on a curve and curves mean some people lose. It is way too hard to predict where you're going to be in your class which is why conventional wisdom says to assume you will be at median when looking at job prospects and outcomes. The notion that you can be comfortable with saying "well I'll just be better than X% of people in my class" is ludicrous.

[coocooforcoacoapuffs]

I think an important factor to consider is how much faith you have in yourself (assuming you want the biglaw/clerkship route). Whenever I read TLS talking about the numbers, most talk about it as if once you're in a school, the employment numbers determine the %chance that you specifically get the job you want. Instead, I think it'd be useful to use the numbers as a measure of how good you need to be.

i.e. at GULC, you gotta be better than at least half of the class. Maybe at a place like NU, you only need to be better than 40% or 30% of the class (didn't check the numbers)

If you're comfortable with that, then I'd take GULC with $$$ than a higher school with less.

You've oversimplifying being "better than at least half the class."
Our 1L classes will be graded on a curve and curves mean some people lose. It is way too hard to predict where you're going to be in your class which is why conventional wisdom says to assume you will be at median when looking at job prospects and outcomes. The notion that you can be comfortable with saying "well I'll just be better than X% of people in my class" is ludicrous.

Well, yes of course the class is graded on a curve. As far as I can tell, what you're saying is: "It is really hard to tell if you're going to be better than X% of the class. So you should assume you'll be at the median. " And to that, sure -- it certainly is a very difficult thing to do and I wouldn't suggest it to someone as risk averse as the people on TLS seem to be. That is the safest thing to do and if you think it is ludicrous to approach law school admissions with a different mindset, then you do you.

I'm not convinced that it is ideal for every applicant to be so risk-averse as to simply rely on employment numbers.

EDIT: I should give the disclaimer that I'm having a very similar internal debate right now. The above is the counter to the part of my brain telling me to go to Cornell

[gazorpazorp]

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[20171203]

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[frodo]

Got another scholarship increase which is far and away better than my current offer from my other top school, but I'm pretty disgusted by GULC's recently-released 2015 employment numbers. 44.4 % BL/FC (less than UT, Vandy, UCLA). Less than 70% LT, JD-req employment.

where can I find all of this info?

It's in their latest ABA employment data. https://www.law.georgetown.edu/careers/ ... Bundle.pdf

muchas gracias

Percentage and number of T14 graduates unemployed, in school-funded positions, deferred starting dates, and unknown employment status:
Georgetown-21.83% (148)

Do yourselves a favor and go to a higher ranked school (even with less $)
Law school is too large of an investment to have less than a coin flip's chance of getting Biglaw/Federal Clerkship
See--> http://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/v ... 1&t=262376

I'm having trouble seeing why it's terrible that only 50 people are unemployed and seeking out of 678 grads ????? and it seems like Georgetown's high amount of people entering govt would explain a low amount of biglaw and fed clerkships, no?

[TheKisSquared]

Got another scholarship increase which is far and away better than my current offer from my other top school, but I'm pretty disgusted by GULC's recently-released 2015 employment numbers. 44.4 % BL/FC (less than UT, Vandy, UCLA). Less than 70% LT, JD-req employment.

where can I find all of this info?

It's in their latest ABA employment data. https://www.law.georgetown.edu/careers/ ... Bundle.pdf

muchas gracias

Percentage and number of T14 graduates unemployed, in school-funded positions, deferred starting dates, and unknown employment status:
Georgetown-21.83% (148)

Do yourselves a favor and go to a higher ranked school (even with less $)
Law school is too large of an investment to have less than a coin flip's chance of getting Biglaw/Federal Clerkship
See--> http://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/v ... 1&t=262376

I'm having trouble seeing why it's terrible that only 50 people are unemployed and seeking out of 678 grads ????? and it seems like Georgetown's high amount of people entering govt would explain a low amount of biglaw and fed clerkships, no?

The 100 or so employed by the school is not good.

[Biglaw1990]

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[dizzystpizzy]

Great timing on the employment stats... same day GULC offered me a very generous merit award, which I want very much to accept without reservations

[lulzsec54]

Guys in the ABA report 47 out of the 50 Full Time Long Term JD Advantage positions are ACTUAL jobs (as in, only 3 are law school funded). This would likely be comprised of a large part of the part time section. So the total FTLT placement is 75% WITHOUT school funding. Now, based on last year's data, a majority of 38 REMAINING school funded long term Bar REQUIRED jobs were Public Interest Fellowships at PI organizations and FedGov positions, which you actually NEED in order to get jobs in those fields (since most will not hire you straight out of law school).

In any case, some of us graduating 3Ls made a section by section breakdown of OUR graduating class (class of 2016). I think this is a much more realistic way of accounting for PI/part-time self-selection, as Section 3 (as the results show) is far more PI inclined and thus won't do EIW, the part time section is more likely not to pursue biglaw than the full time sections, etc. The breakdown is located here: http://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/v ... 1&t=262951

To reiterate:

Currently, this list only contains the full-time sections for those who STARTED at GULC at 1Ls in the Fall of 2013. I will add the part time (Section 7) and transfer sections (Section 6) later when I have more info.

The breakdown for Biglaw/FC % though is as follows:

Section 1: 57/96 Percentage: 59%

Section 2: 49/90 Percentage: 55%

Section 3: 38/104 Percentage: 38%

Section 4: 52/91 Percentage: 57%

Section 5: 52/91 Percentage: 57%


Tl;dr: Just don't go to Section 3