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2019 February California Bar
I don’t think I’ve seen a thread created for this. If it was, I’ll delete it.
That being said, what are your strategies for essays and MBEs? Is it true that essays that came up in July don’t usually come up in Feb?
That being said, what are your strategies for essays and MBEs? Is it true that essays that came up in July don’t usually come up in Feb?
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Adaptibar for MBE, BarEssays.com for essays, and Convisor mini-review book for black letter law. Aim for 2000 questions at +70% correct on Adaptibar.
That combo helped me pass the CBX after years of spinning my wheels.
That combo helped me pass the CBX after years of spinning my wheels.
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Has anyone decided on a bar prep course yet? I'm trying to figure out if any of the bar prep courses have integrated the new Rules of Professional Conduct that came into effect in November (and are fair game for the Feb 2019 exam). Does anyone have any insight into this?
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Thanks for starting the thread! As usual, I'll drop in some helpful info collected over the years.
Wondering where to start?
I've been hanging around these TLS bar threads since 2013 and have seen the most effective tools that helped people pass the California bar. Feel free to ask if you have questions about preparing for the CA bar.
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Wondering where to start?
I've been hanging around these TLS bar threads since 2013 and have seen the most effective tools that helped people pass the California bar. Feel free to ask if you have questions about preparing for the CA bar.
RECOMMENDED RESOURCES
These resources seem helpful to CA bar takers. Feel free to suggest your own!
PREVIOUS THREADS YOU CAN DIG THROUGH FOR EXTRA HELP
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Might make a lengthy/detailed post about my experiences, but for now I wanted to mention that I failed the exam over and over again. Finally passed on my sixth try.
Don't give up. But be real about changes you need to make in studying. And whatever plan you make, commit to it.
Don't give up. But be real about changes you need to make in studying. And whatever plan you make, commit to it.
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Thank you so much for your detailed post a male human!
Justanotheruesr, congrats on passing the most difficult bar exam in the country!! I would love to hear more about your experiences
If anyone out there is curious, I reached out to both Barbri and Themis.
Barbri has stated that they have incorporated the new Rules of Professional Conduct into their Feb 2019 material through supplemental materials.
Themis has stated that they have fully incorporated the new rules into their Feb 2019 textbooks.
Justanotheruesr, congrats on passing the most difficult bar exam in the country!! I would love to hear more about your experiences
If anyone out there is curious, I reached out to both Barbri and Themis.
Barbri has stated that they have incorporated the new Rules of Professional Conduct into their Feb 2019 material through supplemental materials.
Themis has stated that they have fully incorporated the new rules into their Feb 2019 textbooks.
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A male human, you’re a star! I can’t thank you enough for this valuable info!
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You're welcome! This thread gave me an opportunity to go through this list and reorganize, prune, and consolidate everything going into 2019.
BTW, the links to the PT guide aren't working because TLS automatically changes Google short links. Here's the full link instead https://www.dropbox.com/s/95q0aivag99b7 ... 6.pdf?dl=0
BTW, the links to the PT guide aren't working because TLS automatically changes Google short links. Here's the full link instead https://www.dropbox.com/s/95q0aivag99b7 ... 6.pdf?dl=0
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Strategies and Tactics for the MBE.
I opted for the Attorneys Exam, so I'm focused only on essays. Going to sign up for baressays . com and see how that is. might need to pick up the Barbri conviser.
I bought a workbook on CA bar essays, but the PR section is outdated, so will need to figure out the rule changes.
I opted for the Attorneys Exam, so I'm focused only on essays. Going to sign up for baressays . com and see how that is. might need to pick up the Barbri conviser.
I bought a workbook on CA bar essays, but the PR section is outdated, so will need to figure out the rule changes.
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Check out this delightful study aid to help you memorize "Private Express Trusts"
I wonder if this guy will post more of these:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C5IPO1Gte24
I wonder if this guy will post more of these:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C5IPO1Gte24
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Anyone in southern California willing to meet up and have a routine schedule studying? I am taking Themis and wanted to know if anyone was interested in getting a study room or meeting somewhere to review videos and do practice tests. I think it will be very productive to work things out with others and to exchange views so we can better understand our weaknesses. Let me know what you guys think.
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I tried to buy AdaptiBar from now to start practicing, however it’s telling me that it won’t be active before January? What MBEs should I practice for then in the mean time?
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Any tips on how to handle full time job and studying? It will be my second time taking it so I’m hoping it won’t be as crazy hard as the first time.
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I’m trying to purchase adaptibar but it’s teling me I won’t have access to it before January. Is that normal?
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No, when I purchased adaptibar for the TX bar in February 2018 I had access to it starting in November. Maybe they changed their policy? I’d reach out to customer service. That’s a shame if they’re restricting early start.Happy88 wrote:I’m trying to purchase adaptibar but it’s teling me I won’t have access to it before January. Is that normal?
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I have heard of people studying in the morning, during work (lunch), and after work. I like the idea of "paying yourself first," prioritizing bar prep before spending your brainpower on someone else. I might also sneak in some study time on the clients' dime, if you know what I'm saying.Happy88 wrote:Any tips on how to handle full time job and studying? It will be my second time taking it so I’m hoping it won’t be as crazy hard as the first time.
Bottom line, make the time. Use the time constraint to get creative and focus on the activities that move the needle. One example of something that doesn't would be trying to memorize all the rules before jumping into an essay question, a fairly common trap.
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Any predictions out there yet for essay topics? Or anyone come up with their own?
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Out of curiosity, how do you plan to use the predictions?JakeTappers wrote:Any predictions out there yet for essay topics? Or anyone come up with their own?
BarSecret usually comes out with predictions pretty quickly.
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I don’t, really. I got lucky with topics last time (and only take attorneys exam) but didn’t study enough. Just want to contemplate. And if something is really due like trusts or property, I’d like to get a head start on them since I don’t know them. Why?
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Out of curiosity.JakeTappers wrote:I don’t, really. I got lucky with topics last time (and only take attorneys exam) but didn’t study enough. Just want to contemplate. And if something is really due like trusts or property, I’d like to get a head start on them since I don’t know them. Why?
I'm trying to understand if there were reasons to seek predictions this early, other than using them as shortcuts, entertainment, or some semblance of peace of mind.
I agree it makes sense to prioritize subjects you're not familiar with. At the same time, I personally don't put much stock into predictions. Someone always gets burned by relying too much on it. Who should one even listen to? If you overlap everyone's predictions, you get all the subjects...
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Last February's exam taught me not to take any predictions seriously. The scope of the test nuked most essay predictions because it ended up testing 8 subjects (actually 9 if you were to analyze it real-world).JakeTappers wrote:Any predictions out there yet for essay topics? Or anyone come up with their own?
Also, even if you guessed right on all the subjects being tested, it's still not all that helpful because guessing e.g. Real Property doesn't enlighten you to what will be tested in that subject and how. Now, multiply that 5-6 times over.
"Know everything" isn't very helpful advice, but now it may be true. Still though, you do know the MBE subjects and the PT are going to make up the vast majority of the test, so it's reasonable to build your priorities off of that.
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I get this. But I'm asking for the reasons I said -- to see if something is really due that happens to be something that I am weak on, and mostly just curiosity. Also, I'm taking the attorneys exam, so MBE subjects don't have any effect on me. Lastly, I only studied 3 weeks before failing it this summer and likely wouldn't have ever memorized the dormant commerce clause rule so precisely had many places not predicted it (not that it mattered, i guess, but we'll wait and see what i got on the con law question).bacillusanthracis wrote:Last February's exam taught me not to take any predictions seriously. The scope of the test nuked most essay predictions because it ended up testing 8 subjects (actually 9 if you were to analyze it real-world).JakeTappers wrote:Any predictions out there yet for essay topics? Or anyone come up with their own?
Also, even if you guessed right on all the subjects being tested, it's still not all that helpful because guessing e.g. Real Property doesn't enlighten you to what will be tested in that subject and how. Now, multiply that 5-6 times over.
"Know everything" isn't very helpful advice, but now it may be true. Still though, you do know the MBE subjects and the PT are going to make up the vast majority of the test, so it's reasonable to build your priorities off of that.
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Here's my insight (1st time passer):
If you did the same amount of preparation/research as me, you'll know that everyone stressed the importance of hitting all the issues, if not most of it. My Themis Bar Grader gave me 50/55s because I "missed issues XYZ." BarEssays also show many essays receiving below the needed 65 (or 62.5, rather), citing to an obvious mistake--failure to spot some issues. Past takers on TLS and other forums stress the same thing.
Naturally, that's what I tried to learn. I say learn because I didn't have to remember 13 (?) subjects for just a single day to spot the issues back in law school. It was just 1 subject--memorize the outline and go to the exam and forget about it. So, I don't think I'm particularly good at spotting issues, because that requires knowing the law well, or at least memorizing the law well. I've never been a good memorizer. I did well in law school by sheer analysis. So, based on my research, bar exam writing was different than law school writing.
I left the essay exam thinking I did well. Then, against all advice, I decided to see what others wrote. To my surprise (or not), I missed a crap ton of issues. Writing Requirement for assurances? OJ Exception? CA Evidence exceptions for spousal abuse? Standing? Market participant exception? The existence of a balancing test for the P&I analysis on Con law? The list goes on. So, I came to the conclusion that I missed more issues than I wrote about.
I passed. And here's what I know I definitely did well on. I developed the sh*t out of the major issues. Every subject/essay has their major issue(s). They are worth the most points--just like in law school. The facts will suggest to you what the major issue is. Commonly, it will be obvious. There will be strong facts to argue BOTH SIDES. So, for the issues that I did spot, the major ones, I did what I do best in law school, analyze it thoroughly.
I think that's a key thing most people miss. While there's some truth to spotting issues, and earning those free points for putting down even one sentence for a minor issue (e.g. the fact that they weren't married in the Evidence essay, and so there's no privilege (i didn't even talk about this)), I think the main priority is to learn how to analyze well and thoroughly. That has to be step 1. Step 2 is focus on hitting the main areas of each subject matter. Negligence for Torts, Murder for Crim, Hearsay/Character for Evidence, etc. Learn how to analyze those. Learn which facts are used to argue. Learn how to determine the strength of each fact and how much weight a fact finder gives to these facts. That has to be Step 2. It makes up 60-70% of the essays. Step 3 should then be the little minor parts of the law. The other 40% of the subject. Market Participant. If you knew that, good for you. I didn't. You would've gotten a few extra points than me. But that's step 3 for a reason. It's not that big of a deal.
Now, I'll admit the bar will often throw you a curve ball and make Step 3 into a primary issue on an essay. See Con Law for example. That issue (priv and immunities? Whatever the discriminating against out of state peeps is called) has only been tested 1 or 2 times. It's a minor issue when studying. It was a Step 3 for me. So I didnt know it well. I didn't know there was a balancing test. I know just minimally that you can't discriminate against out of state dudes unless you have no choice or whatever. So I relied on that. But you know what? that was just 1 of the 5 essays. Step 1 (learning to analyze) helps you analyze any essay. I saw some facts to argue why u should or shouldnt discriminate and I used it. It's all about step 1.
In other words, a grader can tell a passing lawyer-like answer from a mile away. Great analysis shows that. Apply the facts to the law. Argue BOTH SIDES. Weigh the strengths of argument. Definitely do this for the major issue of the fact pattern. If you're able to do it for the minor ones as well, good for you--a 70+ grade perhaps.
So, if you didn't learn how to write a great analysis yet, learn that. If you need help with that, feel free to PM me. I can help you (probably by telling you to analyze a short fact pattern and I'll tell you what I think of your analysis and how to improve and what to look for and/or tips/suggestion)
If you did the same amount of preparation/research as me, you'll know that everyone stressed the importance of hitting all the issues, if not most of it. My Themis Bar Grader gave me 50/55s because I "missed issues XYZ." BarEssays also show many essays receiving below the needed 65 (or 62.5, rather), citing to an obvious mistake--failure to spot some issues. Past takers on TLS and other forums stress the same thing.
Naturally, that's what I tried to learn. I say learn because I didn't have to remember 13 (?) subjects for just a single day to spot the issues back in law school. It was just 1 subject--memorize the outline and go to the exam and forget about it. So, I don't think I'm particularly good at spotting issues, because that requires knowing the law well, or at least memorizing the law well. I've never been a good memorizer. I did well in law school by sheer analysis. So, based on my research, bar exam writing was different than law school writing.
I left the essay exam thinking I did well. Then, against all advice, I decided to see what others wrote. To my surprise (or not), I missed a crap ton of issues. Writing Requirement for assurances? OJ Exception? CA Evidence exceptions for spousal abuse? Standing? Market participant exception? The existence of a balancing test for the P&I analysis on Con law? The list goes on. So, I came to the conclusion that I missed more issues than I wrote about.
I passed. And here's what I know I definitely did well on. I developed the sh*t out of the major issues. Every subject/essay has their major issue(s). They are worth the most points--just like in law school. The facts will suggest to you what the major issue is. Commonly, it will be obvious. There will be strong facts to argue BOTH SIDES. So, for the issues that I did spot, the major ones, I did what I do best in law school, analyze it thoroughly.
I think that's a key thing most people miss. While there's some truth to spotting issues, and earning those free points for putting down even one sentence for a minor issue (e.g. the fact that they weren't married in the Evidence essay, and so there's no privilege (i didn't even talk about this)), I think the main priority is to learn how to analyze well and thoroughly. That has to be step 1. Step 2 is focus on hitting the main areas of each subject matter. Negligence for Torts, Murder for Crim, Hearsay/Character for Evidence, etc. Learn how to analyze those. Learn which facts are used to argue. Learn how to determine the strength of each fact and how much weight a fact finder gives to these facts. That has to be Step 2. It makes up 60-70% of the essays. Step 3 should then be the little minor parts of the law. The other 40% of the subject. Market Participant. If you knew that, good for you. I didn't. You would've gotten a few extra points than me. But that's step 3 for a reason. It's not that big of a deal.
Now, I'll admit the bar will often throw you a curve ball and make Step 3 into a primary issue on an essay. See Con Law for example. That issue (priv and immunities? Whatever the discriminating against out of state peeps is called) has only been tested 1 or 2 times. It's a minor issue when studying. It was a Step 3 for me. So I didnt know it well. I didn't know there was a balancing test. I know just minimally that you can't discriminate against out of state dudes unless you have no choice or whatever. So I relied on that. But you know what? that was just 1 of the 5 essays. Step 1 (learning to analyze) helps you analyze any essay. I saw some facts to argue why u should or shouldnt discriminate and I used it. It's all about step 1.
In other words, a grader can tell a passing lawyer-like answer from a mile away. Great analysis shows that. Apply the facts to the law. Argue BOTH SIDES. Weigh the strengths of argument. Definitely do this for the major issue of the fact pattern. If you're able to do it for the minor ones as well, good for you--a 70+ grade perhaps.
So, if you didn't learn how to write a great analysis yet, learn that. If you need help with that, feel free to PM me. I can help you (probably by telling you to analyze a short fact pattern and I'll tell you what I think of your analysis and how to improve and what to look for and/or tips/suggestion)
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Not looking forward to doing this thing... :/
Also not sure if I should just pay for Themis (since they've incorporated the new rules) or just go the self-study route. (Not an immediate retaker so I don't qualify for Barbri's free retake.)
Also not sure if I should just pay for Themis (since they've incorporated the new rules) or just go the self-study route. (Not an immediate retaker so I don't qualify for Barbri's free retake.)
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FYI, I just finished my J18 CA bar score calculator:
https://mberules.com/california-bar-exa ... alculator/
This calculator will accurately estimate a Written Scaled Score and Total Score for the J18, F18 or J17 California bar exam administrations. J18 CA examinees can use the J18 calculator to do a post-exam analysis of their scores while F19 CA examinees can use the F18 calculator to test various scoring scenarios and estimate their F19 performance. There is also a form to submit if you want to know what your raw scores were on the MBE.
https://mberules.com/california-bar-exa ... alculator/
This calculator will accurately estimate a Written Scaled Score and Total Score for the J18, F18 or J17 California bar exam administrations. J18 CA examinees can use the J18 calculator to do a post-exam analysis of their scores while F19 CA examinees can use the F18 calculator to test various scoring scenarios and estimate their F19 performance. There is also a form to submit if you want to know what your raw scores were on the MBE.
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