Studying with Barbri's Mini Conviser? Forum

[xonimi]

Anyone using Barbri's Mini Conviser Outlines to study? I'm not sure how to utilize it. My main issue is memorization and I keep hearing that I should keep reading the conviser over and over again until I have it memorized. Is that really the way to go? The outlines are about 50 pages. It doesnt seem productive to read 50 pages repeatedly.

[northwood]

No it’s not helpful ( or even a good idea) to try. Break down the main topic into rules with elements and try to memorize them for the essays. Drill MBE questions and you will find that your concept of the area will be enhanced .

When I took the bar I ended up with a 25 page outline for everything that broke each subject into topics and rules. That was easier to read/ memorize. While it was 25 pages it wasn’t 25 full pages of words, just like a super condensed outline of just rules and elements.

[BangShootBang]

Anyone using Barbri's Mini Conviser Outlines to study? I'm not sure how to utilize it. My main issue is memorization and I keep hearing that I should keep reading the conviser over and over again until I have it memorized. Is that really the way to go? The outlines are about 50 pages. It doesnt seem productive to read 50 pages repeatedly.

Was wondering the same thing. I noticed some of sections in the CMR total around 70 pages.

[justanotheruser]

I keep hearing that I should keep reading the conviser over and over again until I have it memorized. Is that really the way to go?

It's fine to read over the conviser a few times, but I would dissuade you from following the path you're suggesting.

In my experience (failed multiple times, finally passed the CA bar last week), you end up memorizing/refining the rules via osmosis from doing actual MBE problems (with answer explanations) + essay practices.

Listening to lectures, outlining, and whatnot all sound great. But in my experience, I've found those activities to be like rocking chairs (gives you something to do, but doesn't take you anywhere).

[anonanonny]

I was wondering the same because I don't feel like I'm memorizing stuff very well so far. It freaked me out to see the first essay practice because I felt like I wasn't in a position to be able to recite law with any accuracy. Originally, I wanted to review the Mini Conviser outlines for each subject as I went but I just don't think it's feasible. I also started making flashcards, but it already feels too time-consuming. It takes me way too long to make way too few cards. I think instead I'm going to start taking notes on my laptop during lectures rather than in the physical lecture book so I can turn those notes into short outlines with the most important rules/elements. I might flip through the Mini Conviser too as I make that shorter outline because I feel like sometimes there's gaps in the lectures that don't come to my attention until I reach the practice questions.

I'd be interested to hear what other people are doing too with the Mini Conviser outlines.

[northwood]

Focus on memorizing with 2 weeks to go. Focus now on figuring out the big picture and learning the intracicies of the MBE question format.

[anonanonny]

I keep hearing that I should keep reading the conviser over and over again until I have it memorized. Is that really the way to go?

It's fine to read over the conviser a few times, but I would dissuade you from following the path you're suggesting.

In my experience (failed multiple times, finally passed the CA bar last week), you end up memorizing/refining the rules via osmosis from doing actual MBE problems (with answer explanations) + essay practices.

Listening to lectures, outlining, and whatnot all sound great. But in my experience, I've found those activities to be like rocking chairs (gives you something to do, but doesn't take you anywhere).

Where do you find extra practice questions through Barbri? I know of the ones in the books that are assigned throughout the summer but does Barbri have extra online? Sometimes I find their site hard to navigate to find certain handouts and info

[justanotheruser]

I keep hearing that I should keep reading the conviser over and over again until I have it memorized. Is that really the way to go?

It's fine to read over the conviser a few times, but I would dissuade you from following the path you're suggesting.

In my experience (failed multiple times, finally passed the CA bar last week), you end up memorizing/refining the rules via osmosis from doing actual MBE problems (with answer explanations) + essay practices.

Listening to lectures, outlining, and whatnot all sound great. But in my experience, I've found those activities to be like rocking chairs (gives you something to do, but doesn't take you anywhere).

Where do you find extra practice questions through Barbri? I know of the ones in the books that are assigned throughout the summer but does Barbri have extra online? Sometimes I find their site hard to navigate to find certain handouts and info

Ah, sorry. I was referring exclusively to non-barbri options like Adaptibat, BarEssays, etc.

[anonanonny]

I keep hearing that I should keep reading the conviser over and over again until I have it memorized. Is that really the way to go?

It's fine to read over the conviser a few times, but I would dissuade you from following the path you're suggesting.

In my experience (failed multiple times, finally passed the CA bar last week), you end up memorizing/refining the rules via osmosis from doing actual MBE problems (with answer explanations) + essay practices.

Listening to lectures, outlining, and whatnot all sound great. But in my experience, I've found those activities to be like rocking chairs (gives you something to do, but doesn't take you anywhere).

Where do you find extra practice questions through Barbri? I know of the ones in the books that are assigned throughout the summer but does Barbri have extra online? Sometimes I find their site hard to navigate to find certain handouts and info

Ah, sorry. I was referring exclusively to non-barbri options like Adaptibat, BarEssays, etc.

No problem--I might look into those!

[SilvermanBarPrep]

Consider using it more like a reference tool. When you answer a question incorrectly go to the law in the conniver to better understand the legal principle that was tested in the question you answered incorrectly. By doing enough questions you'll end up reading quite a lot of conviser that way! But I do recommend reading the outlines from front to back at least once.

Sean (Silverman Bar Exam Tutoring)

[northwood]

Consider using it more like a reference tool. When you answer a question incorrectly go to the law in the conniver to better understand the legal principle that was tested in the question you answered incorrectly. By doing enough questions you'll end up reading quite a lot of conviser that way! But I do recommend reading the outlines from front to back at least once.

Sean (Silverman Bar Exam Tutoring)

They are quite helpful and you should use them if you are confused with how a particular aspect fits within the larger topic. But I would strongly not recommend trying to memorize them. Just use it as a reference tool.

[pfunkera]

I took my Barbri lecture notes and then used the mini conviser to create an outline for each subject. I then added some of the nuances that came through practicing MBE questions. As time went on, I constantly cut those outlines down to the point that they were 3-10 pages long for each subject (MBE longer than MEE). I am a visual learner, so I used colors so I could remember as much as possible come exam day. I would not study from the mini conviser because there is too much information in there. You need to cut that down to something you can actually memorize. I also used the following site as a way to cut them down even further - outlines at the bottom of the page.

https://law.stanford.edu/office-of-stud ... formation/

I was in a UBE state so I focused on the MBE and did not do much prep for the essays until the last week. I passed easily with nearly an identical essay score as my MBE score.