July 2017 NY Bar Hangout Thread - Results Are Here!!! Forum

[SplitMyPants]

Can't remember if my I had my school send in a certificate of attendance form...

You have til June 15th

[existentialcrisis]

WTF is up with this wills lecture. Every point of law ends with a conclusion that things can go several ways but it "depends on your state". Why not tell us what the rule is for the UBE?

Could not agree more. Also, what are we even supposed to study for a topic like wills that isn't on the mbe. I didn't take it in school and I feel like it's not worth spending my time memorizing all the elements with confusing names?

[Toubro]

WTF is up with this wills lecture. Every point of law ends with a conclusion that things can go several ways but it "depends on your state". Why not tell us what the rule is for the UBE?

Could not agree more. Also, what are we even supposed to study for a topic like wills that isn't on the mbe. I didn't take it in school and I feel like it's not worth spending my time memorizing all the elements with confusing names?

I mean some of the stuff like the intestacy rules and cy pres I remember from the NYLE, so at least it's not entirely new.

People who studied for earlier exams told me that non-MBE subjects that are as dense as this are still useful to review to get a general sense of the issues that may come up. That is, even if you don't remember the rules that apply, if you can issue spot and invent a rule, you'll get points for applying it to the facts and reaching a conclusion.

[Rolly]

I mean some of the stuff like the intestacy rules and cy pres I remember from the NYLE, so at least it's not entirely new.

People who studied for earlier exams told me that non-MBE subjects that are as dense as this are still useful to review to get a general sense of the issues that may come up. That is, even if you don't remember the rules that apply, if you can issue spot and invent a rule, you'll get points for applying it to the facts and reaching a conclusion.

The speaker in Barbri's general lecture on essays said this too (inventing a rule), and I found it (a) surprising and (b) to be a pretty big relief! In my head, if you had forgotten a rule, it was game over on an essay. But the point above provides a lot of comfort. As long as you've taken the time to kind of understand a topic and can still roughly issue spot, you can still garner some application/analysis points. Because I can already envision a complete blank on something.

[Kalani111]

WTF is up with this wills lecture. Every point of law ends with a conclusion that things can go several ways but it "depends on your state". Why not tell us what the rule is for the UBE?

Could not agree more. Also, what are we even supposed to study for a topic like wills that isn't on the mbe. I didn't take it in school and I feel like it's not worth spending my time memorizing all the elements with confusing names?

I mean some of the stuff like the intestacy rules and cy pres I remember from the NYLE, so at least it's not entirely new.

People who studied for earlier exams told me that non-MBE subjects that are as dense as this are still useful to review to get a general sense of the issues that may come up. That is, even if you don't remember the rules that apply, if you can issue spot and invent a rule, you'll get points for applying it to the facts and reaching a conclusion.

I completely bombed feb 17 UBE trusts and family law essays and passed. Had to spot issues that I thought were relevant, and perhaps were not, and made up at least 4 rules and drag in the facts. Sometimes you have to do damage control.

[Sprout]

barbri people Im like 3 days behind and have other life related things I need to do today what's my best plan of action to get caught up

eta sorry I didn't see the barbri hangout.

[FormerChild]

barbri people Im like 3 days behind and have other life related things I need to do today what's my best plan of action to get caught up

eta sorry I didn't see the barbri hangout.

Probably watch videos at 1.5x or 2x speed, fill in the lecture handouts and assess what you remember and don't remember from classes you took so you have a plan of action on what to focus on more. Other than that, really no sweet way to put it imo ... you're gonna have to put in the (wo)man hours and probably take advantage of Sundays w/ no lectures assigned to catch up. Also, if you look at the barbri schedule there are 3 weeks coming up with 2-3 days w/ no lectures, so you can catch up throughout the summer w/out stressing yourself out too much right now

Also, unrelated and probably a really dumb question. Where is Wills tested on the NY bar? I see not on MBE or MEE, is it just on the NYLE?

[legallyblonde88]

Also, unrelated and probably a really dumb question. Where is Wills tested on the NY bar? I see not on MBE or MEE, is it just on the NYLE?

Wills and Trusts (sometimes called Trusts and Decedent's Estates) are tested on the MEE.

For reference: http://www.ncbex.org/exams/mee/preparing/

[dehaven]

barbri people Im like 3 days behind and have other life related things I need to do today what's my best plan of action to get caught up

eta sorry I didn't see the barbri hangout.

Probably watch videos at 1.5x or 2x speed, fill in the lecture handouts and assess what you remember and don't remember from classes you took so you have a plan of action on what to focus on more. Other than that, really no sweet way to put it imo ... you're gonna have to put in the (wo)man hours and probably take advantage of Sundays w/ no lectures assigned to catch up. Also, if you look at the barbri schedule there are 3 weeks coming up with 2-3 days w/ no lectures, so you can catch up throughout the summer w/out stressing yourself out too much right now

Also, unrelated and probably a really dumb question. Where is Wills tested on the NY bar? I see not on MBE or MEE, is it just on the NYLE?

Wills is a fair game topic for the essays. Probably the least intuitive of the MEE subjects along with trusts -- unless, of course, you come from wealth.

[cnk1220]

Also, unrelated and probably a really dumb question. Where is Wills tested on the NY bar? I see not on MBE or MEE, is it just on the NYLE?

Wills and Trusts (sometimes called Trusts and Decedent's Estates) are tested on the MEE.

For reference: http://www.ncbex.org/exams/mee/preparing/

To add to this- we had a trusts Q in Feb. 2017 for the UBE, so you might get a wills essay Q. I would deff. study for it!

[cnk1220]

https://www.excellenceinlawschool.com/j ... edictions/

If anyone was curious re: MEE predictions for July 2017, the website above has made predictions. For Feb. 2017 I believe the website correctly predicted 3-4/6 topics that appeared, so they do their research pretty well, but the NCBE is always unpredictable!

Take these predictions with a grain of salt though and don't neglect an entire subject, rather probably best to study the highly tested areas in each subject if you are limited on time.

It's totally possible to learn what rules to memorize/issues are highly tested/most likely going to be tested even if you are brand new to an MEE topic- I can speak from experience as I didn't take any of the MEE topics in law school, nor did I watch a single barbri lecture, yet still pulled a 151 on the essays in Feb (which heavily tested MEE subject essays) I did this just by learning the most tested issues in each subject from the essays starting 1995-present.

If you have barbri for example- use your essay book and go over every single past essay until the issues start to repeat themselves, like the MBE the examiners can only test in so many ways on these essay fact patterns as well.

You will start to pickup how issues are being tested in the subjects as you go through the essays, it's tedious, but probably the best way to learn some of these obscure things, especially with subjects like secured transactions that are not dependent on common sense, but even with issues that are totally common sense/self-explanatory like "undue influence" in wills (ex from an essay in the past: caretaker being pushy with a dying elderly man- issue of undue influence might invalidate her portion of the will)....this was an obvious one, but it's still good to get familiar with how the issue is tested in the MEEs so you don't miss addressing big issues/stuff you know really well, especially with the added pressure on exam day!

Good luck!

[Toubro]

Thanks for the tips CNK!

Also, now that we received those emails that they've confirmed who is and isn't eligible to sit for the exam, maybe they'll assign us to a location and let us know early next week.

[FormerChild]

Also, now that we received those emails that they've confirmed who is and isn't eligible to sit for the exam, maybe they'll assign us to a location and let us know early next week.

Wait, I haven't received any email confirming anything, has everyone received an email?

[Jon_Snow]

Also, now that we received those emails that they've confirmed who is and isn't eligible to sit for the exam, maybe they'll assign us to a location and let us know early next week.

Wait, I haven't received any email confirming anything, has everyone received an email?

If Toubro is referring to NY residents who received confirmation of "sufficient proof of [NY] address submitted" for exam location purposes - I received the email on the 26th.

[MelaPela]

Also, now that we received those emails that they've confirmed who is and isn't eligible to sit for the exam, maybe they'll assign us to a location and let us know early next week.

Wait, I haven't received any email confirming anything, has everyone received an email?

If Toubro is referring to NY residents who received confirmation of "sufficient proof of [NY] address submitted" for exam location purposes - I received the email on the 26th.

I didn't get this either and live in NYC...

[legallyblonde88]

Also, now that we received those emails that they've confirmed who is and isn't eligible to sit for the exam, maybe they'll assign us to a location and let us know early next week.

I live in CA and received an email this week too. I'm assuming mine was a confirmation that my handwriting sample and proof of attendance have been received?

[Jon_Snow]

Also, now that we received those emails that they've confirmed who is and isn't eligible to sit for the exam, maybe they'll assign us to a location and let us know early next week.

Wait, I haven't received any email confirming anything, has everyone received an email?

If Toubro is referring to NY residents who received confirmation of "sufficient proof of [NY] address submitted" for exam location purposes - I received the email on the 26th.

I didn't get this either and live in NYC...

I called in on the Friday it was due to ask about something else. The person on the line mentioned that it takes them some time to get through all of these letters. I received mine earlier than she indicated.

[MelaPela]

Also, now that we received those emails that they've confirmed who is and isn't eligible to sit for the exam, maybe they'll assign us to a location and let us know early next week.

Wait, I haven't received any email confirming anything, has everyone received an email?

If Toubro is referring to NY residents who received confirmation of "sufficient proof of [NY] address submitted" for exam location purposes - I received the email on the 26th.

I didn't get this either and live in NYC...

I called in on the Friday it was due to ask about something else. The person on the line mentioned that it takes them some time to get through all of these letters. I received mine earlier than she indicated.

Gotcha. Just did some research and I don't think everyone is asked for proof of NY address. I never got an email or letter asking for proof so guessing that might be the reason why I didn't get the "sufficient proof submitted" email.

[Slytherpuff]

I didn't get anything either, but I went to law school in NYC and have an NYC address so I figured they weren't worried about me anyway.

[Toubro]

Subject: NYS Bar Exam Proofs Received and Approved.

BOLE ID: [ ]

CANDIDATE: [ ]

All required documentation for determining that you satisfied the educational requirements have been reviewed and approved. You are now eligible to sit for the July 2017 bar examination.

DO NOT RESPOND TO THIS EMAIL AS IT IS AUTOGENERATED

This is what I received^

(As did everyone else at Cornell)

[Toubro]

Also, now that we received those emails that they've confirmed who is and isn't eligible to sit for the exam, maybe they'll assign us to a location and let us know early next week.

Wait, I haven't received any email confirming anything, has everyone received an email?

If Toubro is referring to NY residents who received confirmation of "sufficient proof of [NY] address submitted" for exam location purposes - I received the email on the 26th.

I didn't get this either and live in NYC...

I called in on the Friday it was due to ask about something else. The person on the line mentioned that it takes them some time to get through all of these letters. I received mine earlier than she indicated.

Maybe they're going by school, so you should receive yours when your classmates do?

[Sprout]

Subject: NYS Bar Exam Proofs Received and Approved.

BOLE ID: [ ]

CANDIDATE: [ ]

All required documentation for determining that you satisfied the educational requirements have been reviewed and approved. You are now eligible to sit for the July 2017 bar examination.

DO NOT RESPOND TO THIS EMAIL AS IT IS AUTOGENERATED

This is what I received^

(As did everyone else at Cornell)

I'd really appreciate an email like this. Getting nervous I missed something

[cnk1220]

Subject: NYS Bar Exam Proofs Received and Approved.

BOLE ID: [ ]

CANDIDATE: [ ]

All required documentation for determining that you satisfied the educational requirements have been reviewed and approved. You are now eligible to sit for the July 2017 bar examination.

DO NOT RESPOND TO THIS EMAIL AS IT IS AUTOGENERATED

This is what I received^

(As did everyone else at Cornell)

I'd really appreciate an email like this. Getting nervous I missed something

I never got an email like that for my Feb. exam, sat for the exam with no problems. If you don't get your ticket e-mailed to you 2 weeks before the exam then I'd be worried and call. They're probably processing thousands of applicants (as around 10 thousand something sit for the July exam on avg.) and you will probably get an email like that when your stuff is received.

Also, add the administration e-mail to your contacts list- I know of some people who had BOLE's emails directed to junk by accident and this is the email you will receive everything NY Bar related from.

[de minimis]

Just got my feedback on the first graded barbri torts essay. Got a 60 and short feedback that I did a good job. I thought I messed this one up pretty badly and when I self-scored it, I failed miserably. Trying to account for the difference. Option 1: grader didn't really read it. Option 2: self grading scale has nothing to do with how they actually grade it

[riku33090]

Hi all,
Took a week and a half off, decided on a pre bar vacation. Should I make up the old lectures first or keep up with the daily lectures and catch up on the old lectures as I go?

P.S. I have only done the first Tort Lecture so far and I use Barbri.