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PA/NJ July 2016 Bar Exam Hangout

Post by ronanOgara » Mon May 23, 2016 5:02 pm

Didn't see a PA/NJ thread. Come hang out and vent.

Doing Barbri. Very confused right now about when to start doing practice Qs and looking over outlines.

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Re: PA/NJ July 2016 Bar Exam Hangout

Post by PhillyLawGirl2015 » Thu Jul 07, 2016 4:06 am

Wish this thread was more active! :oops:

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Re: PA/NJ July 2016 Bar Exam Hangout

Post by Fivedham » Thu Jul 07, 2016 11:58 am

When I first started, I really liked the specificity of the PA essay questions, whereas I hated the open-endedness of the NJ ones. Now I'm on the other side; I hate that you're either right or wrong in PA, and I like that NJ lets you explore the legal options and come to your own conclusions.

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Re: PA/NJ July 2016 Bar Exam Hangout

Post by PhillyLawGirl2015 » Thu Jul 07, 2016 1:03 pm

Fivedham wrote:When I first started, I really liked the specificity of the PA essay questions, whereas I hated the open-endedness of the NJ ones. Now I'm on the other side; I hate that you're either right or wrong in PA, and I like that NJ lets you explore the legal options and come to your own conclusions.
I'm the opposite. I hate NJ essays. I like that PA lets you know exactly what they're looking for. With NJ you have to throw the whole kitchen sink into the essays

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Re: PA/NJ July 2016 Bar Exam Hangout

Post by Fivedham » Thu Jul 07, 2016 1:17 pm

PhillyLawGirl2015 wrote:
Fivedham wrote:When I first started, I really liked the specificity of the PA essay questions, whereas I hated the open-endedness of the NJ ones. Now I'm on the other side; I hate that you're either right or wrong in PA, and I like that NJ lets you explore the legal options and come to your own conclusions.
I'm the opposite. I hate NJ essays. I like that PA lets you know exactly what they're looking for. With NJ you have to throw the whole kitchen sink into the essays
I'm fine with kitchen-sinking it if it gets me points. PA leaves the door open for you getting screwed out of points if you come to a different conclusion on something that may even be subjective, like a FRE 403 determination.

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Re: PA/NJ July 2016 Bar Exam Hangout

Post by bulinus » Thu Jul 07, 2016 1:36 pm

Did anyone order Bricker's fries?

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Re: PA/NJ July 2016 Bar Exam Hangout

Post by ronanOgara » Thu Jul 07, 2016 1:55 pm

bulinus wrote:Did anyone order Bricker's fries?
If so, you're gonna smell like a grease pan in the afternoon.

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Re: PA/NJ July 2016 Bar Exam Hangout

Post by jchiles » Thu Jul 07, 2016 2:10 pm

bulinus wrote:Did anyone order Bricker's fries?
Yeah kind of wish there was a different way to pay then writing all my cc info on a paper and mailing it to them but oh well.

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Re: PA/NJ July 2016 Bar Exam Hangout

Post by L_William_W » Thu Jul 07, 2016 5:55 pm

PhillyLawGirl2015 wrote:
Fivedham wrote:When I first started, I really liked the specificity of the PA essay questions, whereas I hated the open-endedness of the NJ ones. Now I'm on the other side; I hate that you're either right or wrong in PA, and I like that NJ lets you explore the legal options and come to your own conclusions.
I'm the opposite. I hate NJ essays. I like that PA lets you know exactly what they're looking for. With NJ you have to throw the whole kitchen sink into the essays
The Jersey essays are hard but predictable. With the exception of property, all of them are doable. You can do the torts and crim essays half drunk...

Although the characters change, the fact patterns basically repeat themselves. I passed Jersey last July by literally going over every NJ essay since the year 2000 (I got a book on Amazon full of old NJ essays). I literally regurgitated the answers of past exams. And NJ only covers 7 subjects. And like the previous poster said, most of the Jersey essays are open-ended, meaning you can bullshit your answer if you're stuck (there are a few subjects like Evidence where there's a right or wrong answer and you have to get that answer to get the points). You can forget a whole bunch of issues and still get a 5 on most of the Jersey subjects. Of course, you have to nail the main issues.

The Jersey bar is basically a rote memorization exam. It's not like NY where you don't know what's coming and you have to answer the fact pattern in a specific manner.

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Re: PA/NJ July 2016 Bar Exam Hangout

Post by PhillyLawGirl2015 » Thu Jul 07, 2016 9:26 pm

L_William_W wrote:
PhillyLawGirl2015 wrote:
Fivedham wrote:When I first started, I really liked the specificity of the PA essay questions, whereas I hated the open-endedness of the NJ ones. Now I'm on the other side; I hate that you're either right or wrong in PA, and I like that NJ lets you explore the legal options and come to your own conclusions.
I'm the opposite. I hate NJ essays. I like that PA lets you know exactly what they're looking for. With NJ you have to throw the whole kitchen sink into the essays
The Jersey essays are hard but predictable. With the exception of property, all of them are doable. You can do the torts and crim essays half drunk...

Although the characters change, the fact patterns basically repeat themselves. I passed Jersey last July by literally going over every NJ essay since the year 2000 (I got a book on Amazon full of old NJ essays). I literally regurgitated the answers of past exams. And NJ only covers 7 subjects. And like the previous poster said, most of the Jersey essays are open-ended, meaning you can bullshit your answer if you're stuck (there are a few subjects like Evidence where there's a right or wrong answer and you have to get that answer to get the points). You can forget a whole bunch of issues and still get a 5 on most of the Jersey subjects. Of course, you have to nail the main issues.

The Jersey bar is basically a rote memorization exam. It's not like NY where you don't know what's coming and you have to answer the fact pattern in a specific manner.
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Re: PA/NJ July 2016 Bar Exam Hangout

Post by Fivedham » Mon Jul 11, 2016 11:56 am

Booked hotels today. Oh man, that three hour drive from York to Atlantic City is gonna suck. I imagine I'm just gonna collapse once I get to the AC hotel.

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Re: PA/NJ July 2016 Bar Exam Hangout

Post by bulinus » Thu Jul 21, 2016 1:55 pm

So PA has never actually tested on DUI before, right?

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Re: PA/NJ July 2016 Bar Exam Hangout

Post by PhillyLawGirl2015 » Fri Jul 22, 2016 3:06 am

bulinus wrote:So PA has never actually tested on DUI before, right?
Right. I think it would be reallyyyyyyy hard to test though so I don't see it coming up in the future.

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Re: PA/NJ July 2016 Bar Exam Hangout

Post by Easy-E » Mon Oct 10, 2016 10:07 am

Not sure where else to ask about this, but for the NJ bar app, I'm not sure how to approach the employment section. From college and earlier I just worked at random pizza places where I was usually paid cash, and I can only vaguely remember the dates.

Do you think I even need to list places where I was paid cash? I feel like it's dishonest to just say I didn't work those years but also the NJ app is annoying as fuck.

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Re: PA/NJ July 2016 Bar Exam Hangout

Post by resipsajob » Tue Oct 11, 2016 1:22 pm

Does NJ have a breakdown of past bar exams with highest unsuccessful MBE applicant, etc, as PA does?

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