Themis Bar Review Hangout - July 2016 Forum

[Rahviveh]

I'm happy to share the full handouts if needed. The handouts are way better than the FROS

[Vantwins]

How many MPTs does everyone have planned to do by go time? I have only done 2 and I'm trying to decide if I should add another two.

I've done the graded one, did more of a read and outline for another and I'll write out one more this week when I (finally) do the practice essay exam. Personally, I know I'll do fine on that and my time is better spent practicing essays and studying my state distinctions. I wish the whole exam was just a bunch of MPTs, but maybe that's just me.

[Rahviveh]

I'm ready for this shit

[Fivedham]

I kinda wish the NCBE let us know our raw MBE scores immediately or like, within a week of the MBE. That'd be so doable, and it would relive me of so much anxiety I'll no doubt experience through October.

[Hmasterflex]

I'm ready for this shit

I keep trying to feel ready, then I remember i'm still completely lost on Secured Transactions and Commercial Paper

[Vantwins]

As I focus more on essay questions, I realize that if you have time left, it is worthwhile to read through the question again. Even though I'm good at hitting the major issues (at least when I've reviewed that topic recently!), there's usually some minor points in the facts that I glossed over.

[jchiles]

dang that optional 100 question review in the book was the toughest set of questions I've had yet from Themis, based on the score explanations and answer distributions online it seems like that was by design though

[unidentifiable]

you all see barbri's servers are down? what a bummer

[BigZuck]

dang that optional 100 question review in the book was the toughest set of questions I've had yet from Themis, based on the score explanations and answer distributions online it seems like that was by design though

My state director acknowledged that set is ridiculous

[Fivedham]

dang that optional 100 question review in the book was the toughest set of questions I've had yet from Themis, based on the score explanations and answer distributions online it seems like that was by design though

My state director acknowledged that set is ridiculous

It was very hard. I barely scraped by the goal, did not expect to. A lot of the answers turned on very, very tiny nuances. [See my angry rant yesterday about disclaimers of implied warranties.]

[ndp1234]

FYI - My Themis director just called me and I asked for additional questions/practice essays. If you need additional questions, you can probably contact your state director and ask for them.

She was reluctant because she said I should be focusing on learning and memorizing the law at this point. She said I still have 400 questions left, but just counted them and I only have 186 questions left so I don't know what she was referring to. This makes me think that they will probably not give them out right away when you ask.

[ultimolugar]

FYI - My Themis director just called me and I asked for additional questions/practice essays. If you need additional questions, you can probably contact your state director and ask for them.

She was reluctant because she said I should be focusing on learning and memorizing the law at this point. She said I still have 400 questions left, but just counted them and I only have 186 questions left so I don't know what she was referring to. This makes me think that they will probably not give them out right away when you ask.

MBE or state-specific?`

[ndp1234]

FYI - My Themis director just called me and I asked for additional questions/practice essays. If you need additional questions, you can probably contact your state director and ask for them.

She was reluctant because she said I should be focusing on learning and memorizing the law at this point. She said I still have 400 questions left, but just counted them and I only have 186 questions left so I don't know what she was referring to. This makes me think that they will probably not give them out right away when you ask.

MBE or state-specific?`

I'm in a UBE state so I'm guessing just MBE.

[1down1togo]

FYI - My Themis director just called me and I asked for additional questions/practice essays. If you need additional questions, you can probably contact your state director and ask for them.

She was reluctant because she said I should be focusing on learning and memorizing the law at this point. She said I still have 400 questions left, but just counted them and I only have 186 questions left so I don't know what she was referring to. This makes me think that they will probably not give them out right away when you ask.

That's annoying. You learn a lot by doing essays. I remember an issue after dealing it with it on a question, and it helps you understand when you see the black letter law applied to a fact pattern

[kay2016]

Finally hit 75%. Still feeling terrible about all aspects of this thing but.. really really really ready for it to be behind me.

[xfer999]

FYI - My Themis director just called me and I asked for additional questions/practice essays. If you need additional questions, you can probably contact your state director and ask for them.

She was reluctant because she said I should be focusing on learning and memorizing the law at this point. She said I still have 400 questions left, but just counted them and I only have 186 questions left so I don't know what she was referring to. This makes me think that they will probably not give them out right away when you ask.

My Themis state director told us that if we wanted more practice essays, we could go do the ones from the "Law School Essentials: Upper Level" course from the Themis launch page. (Click on "Return to Account Summary" from the very top of the main bar page if you're logged in.) I have no idea if they're duplicates (I still have about a zillion essays left to do in the Themis bar course), and they don't cover all the MEE topics (like, they have Corps & Wills/Trusts but not Family Law & Sec Trans) but may be a resource for anyone who's run out of practice material.

Also, it makes me feel better about Themis making me go through that launch page every time I log in.

[KD35]

FYI - My Themis director just called me and I asked for additional questions/practice essays. If you need additional questions, you can probably contact your state director and ask for them.

She was reluctant because she said I should be focusing on learning and memorizing the law at this point. She said I still have 400 questions left, but just counted them and I only have 186 questions left so I don't know what she was referring to. This makes me think that they will probably not give them out right away when you ask.

My Themis state director told us that if we wanted more practice essays, we could go do the ones from the "Law School Essentials: Upper Level" course from the Themis launch page. (Click on "Return to Account Summary" from the very top of the main bar page if you're logged in.) I have no idea if they're duplicates (I still have about a zillion essays left to do in the Themis bar course), and they don't cover all the MEE topics (like, they have Corps & Wills/Trusts but not Family Law & Sec Trans) but may be a resource for anyone who's run out of practice material.

Also, it makes me feel better about Themis making me go through that launch page every time I log in.

I know some states also have, on their bar page website, old versions of the exam. Might not be helpful for all states, but I know it is good for at least some states.

[rambleon65]

How many MBE PQs have you guys completed total so far?

[kay2016]

How many MBE PQs have you guys completed total so far?

Only 1370 but idk if that includes the simulated (so if it doesn't, 1670?)

[minimumcontacts]

How many MBE PQs have you guys completed total so far?

Only 1370 but idk if that includes the simulated (so if it doesn't, 1670?)

I have 4 mixed sets left and I'm at 2090 on Themis (with another 150-200 I've done through PMBR). Still not where I'd like to be % wise.

[ndp1234]

FYI - My Themis director just called me and I asked for additional questions/practice essays. If you need additional questions, you can probably contact your state director and ask for them.

She was reluctant because she said I should be focusing on learning and memorizing the law at this point. She said I still have 400 questions left, but just counted them and I only have 186 questions left so I don't know what she was referring to. This makes me think that they will probably not give them out right away when you ask.

My Themis state director told us that if we wanted more practice essays, we could go do the ones from the "Law School Essentials: Upper Level" course from the Themis launch page. (Click on "Return to Account Summary" from the very top of the main bar page if you're logged in.) I have no idea if they're duplicates (I still have about a zillion essays left to do in the Themis bar course), and they don't cover all the MEE topics (like, they have Corps & Wills/Trusts but not Family Law & Sec Trans) but may be a resource for anyone who's run out of practice material.

Also, it makes me feel better about Themis making me go through that launch page every time I log in.

I know some states also have, on their bar page website, old versions of the exam. Might not be helpful for all states, but I know it is good for at least some states.

Yes, I've actually done the ones from MN because they're a UBE state and they have representative good answers. Haven't done all yet, but will probably finish this weekend. FWIW I started early and incorrectly overcompensated for some off days I was expecting to take to try to look at apartments, so that's why I'm so ahead and want more practice. I've done over 2100 questions so far. Still feel would like more practice. My overall score right now is 60% but on the recent sets, I've been averaging around high 60s-low 70s except one where I miraculously got an 80. I don't want to have to spend most of my day memorizing when I can actually be applying the rules I've memorized.

[hogfan1991]

I reached Rudy Giuliani at the convention levels of rage at this question in the 100 paper MBE set:

[+] Spoiler

A contractor purchased a furnace from a distributor of heating systems, after the distributor recommended the furnace based on the contractor’s stated needs. The bill of sale between the distributor and the contractor stated, “All warranties, express or implied, are hereby disclaimed.” The contractor installed the furnace in an office building. Due to a manufacturing defect, the furnace failed to heat the building as it should have. The contractor was sued by the owner of the office building.

Can the contractor assert a claim against the distributor for breach of the implied warranty of merchantability?

Answers:

No, because there is no implied warranty of merchantability for sales between merchants.
No, because the distributor disclaimed this warranty.
Yes, because furnace failed to heat the building.
Yes, because the contractor relied on the distributor’s judgment.
Rationale:

Answer choice C is correct. Goods that are not fit for the ordinary purpose for which such goods are used are not merchantable. As a merchant seller of the furnace, the distributor can be liable for breach of the warranty of merchantability. Answer choice A is incorrect because the implied warranty of merchantability applies when the seller is a merchant. It applies even where the buyer is also a merchant. Answer choice B is incorrect because a general disclaimer is not sufficient to disclaim the warranty of merchantability. Answer choice D is incorrect because reliance on a seller’s judgment is not a requirement of the implied warranty of merchantability, and a warranty of fitness for a particular purpose may be disclaimed in general language.

WTF, NCBE? They're asking SPECIFICALLY about the implied warranty, which CAN be disclaimed in a conspicuous writing. I still don't get why I was wrong.

THIS QUESTION IS ALSO A RADICAL ISLAMIC TERRORIST.

From now on, when I get MBE questions wrong, I'm gonna stand up and start shouting, "WE NEED TO FIGURE OUT WHAT'S GOING ON! THERE IS SOMETHING GOING ON, FOLKS!

Our answers to any equal protection questions on a Con Law essay is "THERE IS ONLY ONE AMERICA!" lol

[unidentifiable]

How many MBE PQs have you guys completed total so far?

1990 on Themis, and probably an extra 300 in Strategies & Tactics.


...With Contracts STILL kicking my ass.

[PotLuck]

ugh just bombed pm session of simulated exam. 70% on first 50% on second

[Fivedham]

How many MBE PQs have you guys completed total so far?

2090 on Themis, 750 on AdaptiBar. So 2,840 total. Overkill? Probably. But I gotta say, I can see patterns in the questions a lot easier now than I did in Week 1.