Themis Bar Review Hangout - July 2016 Forum

[Vantwins]

Only got 1 out of 7 civ pro questions right on the mixed set I did last night! I could have and probably should have taken the bar last summer before they added civ pro to the MBE. Ugh. And I think I've spent $500 at Starbucks this summer.

[bobbypin]

Only got 1 out of 7 civ pro questions right on the mixed set I did last night! I could have and probably should have taken the bar last summer before they added civ pro to the MBE. Ugh. And I think I've spent $500 at Starbucks this summer.

Themis' civ pro questions suck. Have you taken the NCBEX 10 Q civ pro set yet? You can find it on their website. Maybe that will raise your spirits.

[wwwcol]

First one is a public forum right (did that trip you up, I couldn't tell?)

Second one is over broad so it's not constitutional

eta: you edited

My bad, I took the second question I had originally posted out. It didn't really help clarify what exactly I was confused about.

But yes, I didn't get that gov't building steps was a public forum. It struck me as interfering with gov't function, but then people are always speaking on the steps.

Basically i didn't think about it too deeply, I just knew it was about infringing freedom of speech so it should be a high burden and the burden is on the government

So what gets rational basis as far as speech? I assume it's pretty narrow, but my outline based on the lecture/FRO doesn't make sense.

My understanding was that only limited public forums and nonpublic forums get rational basis, but even then, the govt restrictions must be viewpoint neutral

[Vantwins]

Only got 1 out of 7 civ pro questions right on the mixed set I did last night! I could have and probably should have taken the bar last summer before they added civ pro to the MBE. Ugh. And I think I've spent $500 at Starbucks this summer.

Themis' civ pro questions suck. Have you taken the NCBEX 10 Q civ pro set yet? You can find it on their website. Maybe that will raise your spirits.

Thanks, I'll check that out!

[Vantwins]

Note to self:

Comity Clause = Privileges and Immunities Clause

I hate getting a question wrong because they tripped me up with using an alternate name for something I'd understand if they stuck with one term.

[ChocolateTruffle]

Someone earlier in this thread had mentioned MEE essay predictions. Have those come out yet??

[mu13ski]

Someone earlier in this thread had mentioned MEE essay predictions. Have those come out yet??

Haven't seen any from Themis, but Barbri and efficientbarprep.com released

[Easy-E]

So I've been working through the FROs and revising my outlines, then doing the extra 34 question sets for each topic. Feel like it's definitely helping, but now I'm at contracts and god damn do I hate contracts

[Laurenharvey]

Someone earlier in this thread had mentioned MEE essay predictions. Have those come out yet??

Haven't seen any from Themis, but Barbri and efficientbarprep.com released

I have seen the efficientbarprep.com predictions, but do you know what the Barbri predictions are?

[blach0987]

has anyone gotten 70 or higher on a graded exam?

what score did you get and what exam? thx thx

I've gotten 5/6s on Torts, Crim, and Evidence. 3/6 on the other 2 I've gotten back (Ks and Property).

ETA: Just got a 76% on a mixed set and am very happy with it. My previous best was on the first set at 70%.

Hey, thats awesome re the mixed sets! What would you say has helped you improve? I really need to get my MBE score up.

[Nebby]

has anyone gotten 70 or higher on a graded exam?

what score did you get and what exam? thx thx

I've gotten 5/6s on Torts, Crim, and Evidence. 3/6 on the other 2 I've gotten back (Ks and Property).

ETA: Just got a 76% on a mixed set and am very happy with it. My previous best was on the first set at 70%.

Hey, thats awesome re the mixed sets! What would you say has helped you improve? I really need to get my MBE score up.

I noticed improvement once I started making a flash card that summarized the rule I missed for each incorrect question. Before each mixed set, I will read through every card I have. I read through them once per day, basically. I have found that this was the most helpful change I made in my study habit.

[blach0987]

has anyone gotten 70 or higher on a graded exam?

what score did you get and what exam? thx thx

I've gotten 5/6s on Torts, Crim, and Evidence. 3/6 on the other 2 I've gotten back (Ks and Property).

ETA: Just got a 76% on a mixed set and am very happy with it. My previous best was on the first set at 70%.

Hey, thats awesome re the mixed sets! What would you say has helped you improve? I really need to get my MBE score up.

I noticed improvement once I started making a flash card that summarized the rule I missed for each incorrect question. Before each mixed set, I will read through every card I have. I read through them once per day, basically. I have found that this was the most helpful change I made in my study habit.

Did you do that going back to all of your questions or just your most recent sets?

[Nebby]

has anyone gotten 70 or higher on a graded exam?

what score did you get and what exam? thx thx

I've gotten 5/6s on Torts, Crim, and Evidence. 3/6 on the other 2 I've gotten back (Ks and Property).

ETA: Just got a 76% on a mixed set and am very happy with it. My previous best was on the first set at 70%.

Hey, thats awesome re the mixed sets! What would you say has helped you improve? I really need to get my MBE score up.

I noticed improvement once I started making a flash card that summarized the rule I missed for each incorrect question. Before each mixed set, I will read through every card I have. I read through them once per day, basically. I have found that this was the most helpful change I made in my study habit.

Did you do that going back to all of your questions or just your most recent sets?

I did not retroactively make cards. I only started making them from Mixed Set 4 and forward.

[ndp1234]

Can someone please give me a quick and dirty run down on mortgages? I just don't understand anything about mortgages. Any question I get regarding mortgages is just a crapshoot.

[kay2016]

has anyone gotten 70 or higher on a graded exam?

what score did you get and what exam? thx thx

I've gotten 5/6s on Torts, Crim, and Evidence. 3/6 on the other 2 I've gotten back (Ks and Property).

ETA: Just got a 76% on a mixed set and am very happy with it. My previous best was on the first set at 70%.

Hey, thats awesome re the mixed sets! What would you say has helped you improve? I really need to get my MBE score up.

I've been making a list of answers that I got wrong, and I've actually gone back through and read it once or twice. I also went back and listened to a few of the chapters on points of laws that I was continuously getting wrong (i.e. mortgages wrt Real Property). I am planning on focusing on 1-2 topics per day in addition to doing a mixed set and a few essays every day from here on out (but I still haven't done the simulated exam so I need to hurry up and do that).

[Chardee_MacDennis]

Can someone please give me a quick and dirty run down on mortgages? I just don't understand anything about mortgages. Any question I get regarding mortgages is just a crapshoot.

Not sure if there's a quick-and-dirty rundown, but here goes:

Typically a lien against the property to secure payment of a promissory note; mortgagor = borrower, mortgagee = lender. Doesn't have to be recorded to be enforceable against borrower, but does have to be recorded to be enforced against subsequent purchasers/creditors. Frequently have acceleration/due-on-sale (or transfer) clauses that make full payment due upon default/sale or transfer. Can be foreclosed, but borrowers have equitable rights of redemption BEFORE sale, must pay all amounts due + interest. Equitable right to redeem typically cannot be "clogged" but can be waived after execution of mortgage for consideration. Foreclosure can be public/private sale. If multiple creditors, all must be joined in foreclosure action; if not, then non-joined party's interest not affected, can still enforce. If all parties joined and sale is conducted, all interests junior to interest being foreclose are extinguished (unless a junior interest buys the mortgage at the sale, then maybe it has subrogation rights), but interests senior to the one being foreclosed not affected, property still subject to mortgage. Purchaser at sale not personally liable for any remaining interests, but property can be foreclosed by senior lender. Some states have statutory rights of redemption that allow borrower to redeem property AFTER sale (don't confuse this with equitable right).

Property is transferred most frequently subject to a mortgage = no personal liability for purchaser, original mortgagor still liable. If purchaser assumes mortgage, then he/she is liable, but original mortgagor is also still liable as a surety.

Look to recording acts to determine priority, but a PMSI will have priority over previous mortgages.

Lien theory = mortgage is lien, mortgagee has no right to currently possess; title theory = mortgagee is entitled to immediate possession, even before default; intermediate title = no right to immediate possession, but right to possession upon default.

If I forgot anything you were wondering about, let me know.

[Easy-E]

Someone have a short list of the rules for auctions? It's kinda funny that they just aren't even mentioned in the FROs. I get that they are very condensed, but c'mon, just a sentence of two.

[BigZuck]

has anyone gotten 70 or higher on a graded exam?

what score did you get and what exam? thx thx

I've gotten 5/6s on Torts, Crim, and Evidence. 3/6 on the other 2 I've gotten back (Ks and Property).

ETA: Just got a 76% on a mixed set and am very happy with it. My previous best was on the first set at 70%.

Hey, thats awesome re the mixed sets! What would you say has helped you improve? I really need to get my MBE score up.

I've been making a list of answers that I got wrong, and I've actually gone back through and read it once or twice. I also went back and listened to a few of the chapters on points of laws that I was continuously getting wrong (i.e. mortgages wrt Real Property). I am planning on focusing on 1-2 topics per day in addition to doing a mixed set and a few essays every day from here on out (but I still haven't done the simulated exam so I need to hurry up and do that).

List of stuff you got wrong either via Kay or Nebby method is a great call IMO

I didn't read the full outlines at the time (cuz lol) but now that I've answered a metric buttload of questions I've started to go back and read the sections where I have missed the most questions and that had been helpful. Some are quick (5 pages for post trial stuff in Civ Pro where I had missed almost half the questions) and some are super tedious (like the property section that includes mortgages) but either way it's helpful and its in smaller doses so I think I retain it more. If I just sat there and tried to read a whole outline I don't think I'd retain nearly as much, and a lot of it is stuff that I already know decently well.

[BigZuck]

Someone have a short list of the rules for auctions? It's kinda funny that they just aren't even mentioned in the FROs. I get that they are very condensed, but c'mon, just a sentence of two.

Person whose property is actually being auctioned is allowed to do stuff that seems kind of messed up so don't hold it against him.

When the last gavel pounds, that's it, although auctioneer might have some discretion.

That's it, you now know auctions! Congrats!

[kay2016]

Someone have a short list of the rules for auctions? It's kinda funny that they just aren't even mentioned in the FROs. I get that they are very condensed, but c'mon, just a sentence of two.

Person whose property is actually being auctioned is allowed to do stuff that seems kind of messed up so don't hold it against him.

When the last gavel pounds, that's it, although auctioneer might have some discretion.

That's it, you now know auctions! Congrats!

Yea -- all auctions are presumed to be "w/o reserve" which means owner is allowed to say "wait i've changed my mind" even after someone has bid. That's my understanding anyways.

[ndp1234]

Can someone please give me a quick and dirty run down on mortgages? I just don't understand anything about mortgages. Any question I get regarding mortgages is just a crapshoot.

Not sure if there's a quick-and-dirty rundown, but here goes:

Typically a lien against the property to secure payment of a promissory note; mortgagor = borrower, mortgagee = lender. Doesn't have to be recorded to be enforceable against borrower, but does have to be recorded to be enforced against subsequent purchasers/creditors. Frequently have acceleration/due-on-sale (or transfer) clauses that make full payment due upon default/sale or transfer. Can be foreclosed, but borrowers have equitable rights of redemption BEFORE sale, must pay all amounts due + interest. Equitable right to redeem typically cannot be "clogged" but can be waived after execution of mortgage for consideration. Foreclosure can be public/private sale. If multiple creditors, all must be joined in foreclosure action; if not, then non-joined party's interest not affected, can still enforce. If all parties joined and sale is conducted, all interests junior to interest being foreclose are extinguished (unless a junior interest buys the mortgage at the sale, then maybe it has subrogation rights), but interests senior to the one being foreclosed not affected, property still subject to mortgage. Purchaser at sale not personally liable for any remaining interests, but property can be foreclosed by senior lender. Some states have statutory rights of redemption that allow borrower to redeem property AFTER sale (don't confuse this with equitable right).

Property is transferred most frequently subject to a mortgage = no personal liability for purchaser, original mortgagor still liable. If purchaser assumes mortgage, then he/she is liable, but original mortgagor is also still liable as a surety.

Look to recording acts to determine priority, but a PMSI will have priority over previous mortgages.

Lien theory = mortgage is lien, mortgagee has no right to currently possess; title theory = mortgagee is entitled to immediate possession, even before default; intermediate title = no right to immediate possession, but right to possession upon default.

If I forgot anything you were wondering about, let me know.

This is helpful. Thanks for taking time out of your studying to help me with this!

[bsktbll28082]

Are people writing out practice essays? Or just outlining? I've been issue spotting, but it's so boring.

[Chardee_MacDennis]

Are people writing out practice essays? Or just outlining? I've been issue spotting, but it's so boring.

Haven't actually written one in the past three weeks or so. Only outlining.

[unidentifiable]

Are people writing out practice essays? Or just outlining? I've been issue spotting, but it's so boring.

outlining mostly.

sometimes i write it out rule statements and do brief facts.

[ndp1234]

Are people writing out practice essays? Or just outlining? I've been issue spotting, but it's so boring.

I'm writing all of them out. Since each essay is only 30 minutes of my time, I at least try to writing out the rules and at least a little analysis because just because just issue spotting won't help me retain the rules.