NJ Waiters July 2015 (Results) Forum

[SemperLegal]

I've seen that NJ regular registration for Feb 2016 ends tomorrow. Do you think that it's worth concurrent NY/NJ Bar for out-of-state people? Thank you.

We don't know yet, but most of seem to think so

[SemperLegal]

Anyone have an approximate scaled v raw score chart of NJ essays? I'm so nervous

I tried backwards calculating it a few times, but there's to many variances (the converter the NCBEX endorses takes the standard deviation of the MBE and the essays in the jxs normalizes them and then uses that to base of the mbe and essay average) I tried using excel to calculate it based on a range of SDs, possible average essays, and historical MBE data, but the scale was pretty varied. All I can recall was: Average of 3 on the essays was like 120-135. An average of 1 was 98-110, and a 6 was 210-5000 (things got weird as the scale got larger).

Ok. My guess is: average essay score (1-7)*35.07+30.3= scaled score. That means an average of 3.5 on each essay is 153, and a 2.5 is 117.

[LSATclincher]

Anyone have an approximate scaled v raw score chart of NJ essays? I'm so nervous

I tried backwards calculating it a few times, but there's to many variances (the converter the NCBEX endorses takes the standard deviation of the MBE and the essays in the jxs normalizes them and then uses that to base of the mbe and essay average) I tried using excel to calculate it based on a range of SDs, possible average essays, and historical MBE data, but the scale was pretty varied. All I can recall was: Average of 3 on the essays was like 120-135. An average of 1 was 98-110, and a 6 was 210-5000 (things got weird as the scale got larger).

Ok. My guess is: average essay score (1-7)*35.07+30.3= scaled score. That means an average of 3.5 on each essay is 153, and a 2.5 is 117.

Does that mean you would then take that essay score and just add it to your scaled MBE score to get your final score?

[SA2014]

Oh well, late afternoon for today has come and gone. So, we're waiting for tomorrow's late afternoon?

[Njbar]

civ pro essay was brutal, had to make up the rule. I think ny cares if you know the law cold, but nj cares about the IRAC. This is my understanding accroding to the nj bar requirement. It's this true?

[bartkr]

Anyone have an approximate scaled v raw score chart of NJ essays? I'm so nervous

I tried backwards calculating it a few times, but there's to many variances (the converter the NCBEX endorses takes the standard deviation of the MBE and the essays in the jxs normalizes them and then uses that to base of the mbe and essay average) I tried using excel to calculate it based on a range of SDs, possible average essays, and historical MBE data, but the scale was pretty varied. All I can recall was: Average of 3 on the essays was like 120-135. An average of 1 was 98-110, and a 6 was 210-5000 (things got weird as the scale got larger).

Thanks so much for the explanation

Also thanks, LSATClincher, I hope that your calc is true! that seems generous

[Danger Zone]

I failed in February 2015 (terrible MBE score) but my essays got a scaled score of 134.8 and I got:
4, 1, 5, 3, 6, 1, 4.

Hope this helps!

So you need to average just under 3.5 to hit 135

What was your MBE score at the time when you failed?

Fuck off I didn't fail

[SemperLegal]

Anyone have an approximate scaled v raw score chart of NJ essays? I'm so nervous

I tried backwards calculating it a few times, but there's to many variances (the converter the NCBEX endorses takes the standard deviation of the MBE and the essays in the jxs normalizes them and then uses that to base of the mbe and essay average) I tried using excel to calculate it based on a range of SDs, possible average essays, and historical MBE data, but the scale was pretty varied. All I can recall was: Average of 3 on the essays was like 120-135. An average of 1 was 98-110, and a 6 was 210-5000 (things got weird as the scale got larger).

Ok. My guess is: average essay score (1-7)*35.07+30.3= scaled score. That means an average of 3.5 on each essay is 153, and a 2.5 is 117.

Does that mean you would then take that essay score and just add it to your scaled MBE score to get your final score?

Yes, but don't get too excited, it's just recreational math. There's too many variables that NJ does not release. If you give me a score you need, I might be able to give you a target score. But it is still a guesstimate.


I think today's the day. I'm very excited about the very expedited and flexible swearing in process. Would like to have my longtime family friend do it at thanksgiving, if possible. Id rather do it in my office, but I my family hasn't gotten a chance to see my high school graduation, ug grad, law school grad, or any of my promotions, so it's either this or risking them crashing my N.Y. Ceremony.

[SA2014]

I think today's the day. I'm very excited about the very expedited and flexible swearing in process. Would like to have my longtime family friend do it at thanksgiving, if possible. Id rather do it in my office, but I my family hasn't gotten a chance to see my high school graduation, ug grad, law school grad, or any of my promotions, so it's either this or risking them crashing my N.Y. Ceremony.

Jeez, is this an educated guess or a prayer? Wish you the best but considering that your family hasn't seen any of your milestones since pre-high school, what makes you think you can drag them into your office for this?

[TheTraveler]

Hoping that today's the day. This may have been asked already, but does anyone know what time NJ usually releases the scores? 5 pm? Midnight?

[analthunderfury]

Hoping that today's the day. This may have been asked already, but does anyone know what time NJ usually releases the scores? 5 pm? Midnight?

The last 2 NJ release dates have been on the Friday following the NY release date. The times vary from early afternoon to around 4pm.

[SemperLegal]

I think today's the day. I'm very excited about the very expedited and flexible swearing in process. Would like to have my longtime family friend do it at thanksgiving, if possible. Id rather do it in my office, but I my family hasn't gotten a chance to see my high school graduation, ug grad, law school grad, or any of my promotions, so it's either this or risking them crashing my N.Y. Ceremony.

Jeez, is this an educated guess or a prayer? Wish you the best but considering that your family hasn't seen any of your milestones since pre-high school, what makes you think you can drag them into your office for this?

Well, I was going to do it at thanksgiving itself (rather than my first instinct, alone in the office with a notary). Wasn't trying to sell a sob story, I didn't want them at those events, or go to most myself, because it seems braggy/an unnecessary hassle when I can just get my certifications in the mail. But I figured I'd throw them a bone and involve them in this one.

And it's an educated guess. In relation to the time of year, NY release, and the press release on the UBE I think NJ has its ducks in a row.

[TheTraveler]

Hoping that today's the day. This may have been asked already, but does anyone know what time NJ usually releases the scores? 5 pm? Midnight?

The last 2 NJ release dates have been on the Friday following the NY release date. The times vary from early afternoon to around 4pm.

Thanks, will now stop working at 12 pm and constantly refresh my NJ user home page until 4 pm.

[Danger Zone]

Hoping that today's the day. This may have been asked already, but does anyone know what time NJ usually releases the scores? 5 pm? Midnight?

The last 2 NJ release dates have been on the Friday following the NY release date. The times vary from early afternoon to around 4pm.

Thanks, will now stop working at 12 pm and constantly refresh my NJ user home page until 4 pm.

Well make sure you post here when it drops. I'm on TLS constantly so I imagine I'll get the news here first.

[cmblack]

I think today's the day. I'm very excited about the very expedited and flexible swearing in process. Would like to have my longtime family friend do it at thanksgiving, if possible. Id rather do it in my office, but I my family hasn't gotten a chance to see my high school graduation, ug grad, law school grad, or any of my promotions, so it's either this or risking them crashing my N.Y. Ceremony.

Jeez, is this an educated guess or a prayer? Wish you the best but considering that your family hasn't seen any of your milestones since pre-high school, what makes you think you can drag them into your office for this?

Well, I was going to do it at thanksgiving itself (rather than my first instinct, alone in the office with a notary). Wasn't trying to sell a sob story, I didn't want them at those events, or go to most myself, because it seems braggy/an unnecessary hassle when I can just get my certifications in the mail. But I figured I'd throw them a bone and involve them in this one.

And it's an educated guess. In relation to the time of year, NY release, and the press release on the UBE I think NJ has its ducks in a row.

I must have missed it, but whats the UBE press release?

[SemperLegal]

I think today's the day. I'm very excited about the very expedited and flexible swearing in process. Would like to have my longtime family friend do it at thanksgiving, if possible. Id rather do it in my office, but I my family hasn't gotten a chance to see my high school graduation, ug grad, law school grad, or any of my promotions, so it's either this or risking them crashing my N.Y. Ceremony.

Jeez, is this an educated guess or a prayer? Wish you the best but considering that your family hasn't seen any of your milestones since pre-high school, what makes you think you can drag them into your office for this?

Well, I was going to do it at thanksgiving itself (rather than my first instinct, alone in the office with a notary). Wasn't trying to sell a sob story, I didn't want them at those events, or go to most myself, because it seems braggy/an unnecessary hassle when I can just get my certifications in the mail. But I figured I'd throw them a bone and involve them in this one.

And it's an educated guess. In relation to the time of year, NY release, and the press release on the UBE I think NJ has its ducks in a row.

I must have missed it, but whats the UBE press release?

Just the perennial musings of Chief Justice Radner that NJ is exploring moving to the UBE. I assume they would hold the announcement and the committee formation until all the grading was all done and the score data reviewed. Then again, accurate rumours showed that NY sat on graded scores for at least a week.

[law732]

Totally useless at work right now. These results need to happen today.

[PepsiMinimum]

When will the bar exam results be released?
For the July exam, we try to release the grades by November 15th. These are not, however, firm dates. Results will be posted to your User Home Page. A list of successful candidates will be posted on our website 48 to 72 hours after they are posted to User Home Pages.

wow such privacy much opportunity to mourn very considerate wow

[Mr.PoopyButthole]

I really can't take the waiting anymore. I'm pretty sure if I fail I'll get fired from my current job. I just have no confidence that I got 133 on the essays.

Spent all morning applying for non-legal jobs.

[PepsiMinimum]

I really can't take the waiting anymore. I'm pretty sure if I fail I'll get fired from my current job. I just have no confidence that I got 133 on the essays.

Spent all morning applying for non-legal jobs.

Do you think this is the right mentality for this career?

[SA2014]

I really can't take the waiting anymore. I'm pretty sure if I fail I'll get fired from my current job. I just have no confidence that I got 133 on the essays.

Spent all morning applying for non-legal jobs.

From this, I gather that your current job is in NJ. Don't NJ firms give you until after the Feb exam before they can you?

[SemperLegal]

I really can't take the waiting anymore. I'm pretty sure if I fail I'll get fired from my current job. I just have no confidence that I got 133 on the essays.

Spent all morning applying for non-legal jobs.

Do you think this is the right mentality for this career?

Risk adverse, planning for contingencies, and prone to trying to see whatever obstacles are beyond the horizon? Seems lawyerly to me.

[rogismom]

I am thinking it's not going to happen today. In the past did they just post the results on the user's homepage, without an email or anything warning them that the scores would be released?

[Ibis305]

I am thinking it's not going to happen today. In the past did they just post the results on the user's homepage, without an email or anything warning them that the scores would be released?

My understanding is they just spring it on you. Which I like better than knowing exactly when and watching the clock tick.

[justagirlintheworld]

I am thinking it's not going to happen today. In the past did they just post the results on the user's homepage, without an email or anything warning them that the scores would be released?

I saw a post from last year -- the poster posted that she "just found out she passed" at 4:30 PM, so I guess there's still hope.