July 2015 MBE Scores/Results Forum

zot1 · Post by **zot1** » Sat Sep 19, 2015 10:31 pm

Arbinshire wrote:
zot1 wrote:My understand[ing] is that Colorado releases October 6th.
October 8th, not the 6th.

you will make a great lawyer.

jlanky · Post by **jlanky** » Sun Sep 20, 2015 12:29 am

Mainecoon wrote:I passed the Utah Bar with a 166 on the MBE while working 50 hours a week until the last two weeks. I had limited time to study, but generally kept up with the BarBri schedule except for the essays and the MPTs. This strategy was somewhat risky, since it is a separate skill to recall rules wholesale for the essays instead of ticking through the multiple choice answers for the MBE. I'm a good writer and went to a top 25 law school, but my scores demonstrate how critical it is to practice essays and the MPT in the actual format of the exam instead of skimming over practice tests and the model answers. My MBE scaled score was 20 points higher than my scaled essay score, but given my time constraints I thought the MBE warranted most of my focus. As an aside, I practiced corporate law at a big firm in a jurisdiction other than Utah before moving to Utah, and the bar exam was a ridiculous waste of my summer. I hope in the future law students need only pass one bar exam to practice law in all fifty states.

Same situation. Didn't study as much the second time around. Mostly studied MBE. Didn't practice any essays or MPTs. Though my MBE was lower than yours, my essay was lower, which was unexpected. Perhaps the UT graders were harsh.

MeowMeow3939 · Post by **MeowMeow3939** » Sun Sep 20, 2015 11:35 am

MO Bar - passed. Essay - 157, MBE - 155. Barbri. Felt awful about the MBE: AM section was noticeably more difficult, but ran out of time on the last question in the PM and finished the AM with 10 minutes left to stare at what were probably wrong guesses. I think I got around 120 or 130 on the Barbri midterm. Didn't study for MBE after midterm (which i took about 2 weeks before the test) because i was so worried about the essays. I felt great about the essays, didn't quite finish one of the MPTs, whoops. Never submitted any essays or MPTs for grading.

If I were to take the bar again, I would use different MBE questions (whoever has the realest? idk) because the Barbri ones did not feel like the actual MBE. I felt like Barbri tested me on the exceptions to the exceptions to a general rule, whereas the MBE went straight for the most obscure BS possible. Does barbri not buy previous questions from NCBE? If not, WTF did "I" pay so much more for Barbri?

Did not notice any strings of D answers.

941law · Post by **941law** » Sun Sep 20, 2015 1:50 pm

MeowMeow3939 wrote:MO Bar - passed. Essay - 157, MBE - 155. Barbri. Felt awful about the MBE: AM section was noticeably more difficult, but ran out of time on the last question in the PM and finished the AM with 10 minutes left to stare at what were probably wrong guesses. I think I got around 120 or 130 on the Barbri midterm. Didn't study for MBE after midterm (which i took about 2 weeks before the test) because i was so worried about the essays. I felt great about the essays, didn't quite finish one of the MPTs, whoops. Never submitted any essays or MPTs for grading.

If I were to take the bar again, I would use different MBE questions (whoever has the realest? idk) because the Barbri ones did not feel like the actual MBE. I felt like Barbri tested me on the exceptions to the exceptions to a general rule, whereas the MBE went straight for the most obscure BS possible. Does barbri not buy previous questions from NCBE? If not, WTF did "I" pay so much more for Barbri?

Did not notice any strings of D answers.

Thanks for posting.

robinhoodOO · Post by **robinhoodOO** » Sun Sep 20, 2015 11:57 pm

Update (52 takers reporting): https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/ ... edit#gid=0

Also, for those interested, Bar Secrets has already posted preliminary guesses for what they believe CA will test on the essay subjects in February. Here's a link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CGz_crRjxqc

CA Feb 2016 Preliminary Predictions:
Contracts w/Remedies
Torts w/Remedies
Property w/Remedies
PR (straight PR)
Evidence (w/potential CrimLaw crossover)
Wills/Trusts/Biz Associations w/emphasis in fiduciary duties

ResIpsa305 · Post by **ResIpsa305** » Mon Sep 21, 2015 9:37 am

Passed in Florida - but I don't have the exact MBE score yet, just a "pass." However, you need a 136 on the MBE in FL.

I will update with my actual score when I receive it in the mail (probably tomorrow).

Did Barbri, scored 120/200 on the midterm. I was averaging around 70-75% towards the end on the question sets. Sometimes a little lower.

I left the MBE feeling absolutely horrible, and like many of you I thought it was nothing like the Barbri practice questions. I felt confident on only a very small % of the questions (I remember thinking to myself midway through the AM session "I can't believe this is actually happening"). I was so lost. To those still waiting - there is hope!!

FWIW, I also had the form of the test with a ton of "D" answers. About 18 of my first 40 or so questions during the AM session were "D." Also had 6-8 D's in a row on the last columns of one of the sessions.

Thanks so much to all of you for keeping me sane and giving me an outlet to vent during this waiting process! Here's to more good news coming for everyone else!

Mainecoon · Post by **Mainecoon** » Mon Sep 21, 2015 9:40 am

Thanks for the report robinhoodOO. Is there a foolproof way to calculate the chances of someone who completed at least 75% of a study program AND who has consistently performed around a 75% -80% level on standardized tests, final exams, etc. during their academic career passing the bar exam? I think the pass rate for these people would be pretty high, which would be consistent with the results you posted. This is what I wanted to know when I was waiting for my exam results, anyway because I'm in that category and wanted to know that I would pass (haha). In all seriousness, I don't know anyone who is in this category who failed the bar, but I know plenty of people who didn't put the time in but who are talented test takers passing the exam. I guess it should come as no surprise that if you study hard and you're a decent test taker, you'll pass the exam. Best of luck to all of you who are waiting for your results.

LAW813FL · Post by **LAW813FL** » Mon Sep 21, 2015 10:08 am

Florida is out today but we don't get scores for a few days by snail mail. I passed and felt generally shitty about MBE afterwards. Scored 121 on Kaplan midterm and 126 on final. Will come back and edit this when I get my scores!

BBPorter · Post by **BBPorter** » Mon Sep 21, 2015 10:57 am

ResIpsa305 wrote:
I left the MBE feeling absolutely horrible, and like many of you I thought it was nothing like the Barbri practice questions. I felt confident on only a very small % of the questions (I remember thinking to myself midway through the AM session "I can't believe this is actually happening"). I was so lost. To those still waiting - there is hope!!

This is exactly how I felt. You need a 142 in Oregon -- I thought there was no way I hit that considering how I felt walking out of the MBE. Congrats!

robinhoodOO · Post by **robinhoodOO** » Mon Sep 21, 2015 1:08 pm

LAW813FL wrote:Florida is out today but we don't get scores for a few days by snail mail. I passed and felt generally shitty about MBE afterwards. Scored 121 on Kaplan midterm and 126 on final. Will come back and edit this when I get my scores!

Congrats!

robinhoodOO · Post by **robinhoodOO** » Mon Sep 21, 2015 1:19 pm

Mainecoon wrote:Thanks for the report robinhoodOO. Is there a foolproof way to calculate the chances of someone who completed at least 75% of a study program AND who has consistently performed around a 75% -80% level on standardized tests, final exams, etc. during their academic career passing the bar exam? I think the pass rate for these people would be pretty high, which would be consistent with the results you posted. This is what I wanted to know when I was waiting for my exam results, anyway because I'm in that category and wanted to know that I would pass (haha). In all seriousness, I don't know anyone who is in this category who failed the bar, but I know plenty of people who didn't put the time in but who are talented test takers passing the exam. I guess it should come as no surprise that if you study hard and you're a decent test taker, you'll pass the exam. Best of luck to all of you who are waiting for your results.

I don't think there is any good way to determine likelihood of passing based on that criteria without substantial amounts of data for which there is no easy access. And, sadly, the parties with most of that consolidated data are bar prep courses and law schools, etc. I don't suspect they're willing to relinquish their hold and, generally, they don't just hand over raw data (they often manipulate it).

That said: It's my understanding that the consensus from Bar Prep companies is that you're much more likely to pass if you complete more of the course. There is also a threshold where likelihood skyrockets for number of MBE's taken, etc. How much more likely is unknown. Same thing if you go to an ABA school and do well. Statistics show you're more likely to pass (and the data we've collected suggests as much too--IMO). But, there are always exceptions and nothing is guaranteed (on either side of things).

Anyway, this leads into another point: This discussion and the data has been a great way to start to put the raw data into the hands of students/bar takers. If I pass, one of the things I'm considering is giving editing rights to all of the data to another TLSer who is taking the 2016 Exam. They can, of course, build off of the information for future exams, etc. If there are any lurkers who are taking the exam in 2016 who would consider this, feel free to reach out to me

L1C4JD · Post by **L1C4JD** » Mon Sep 21, 2015 1:57 pm

Hello Everyone,

I, like many of you, are still playing the waiting game. I took the exam in Kentucky and our results are being released this Friday. Congrats to all of you who have already found out you passed. For those of you who are still waiting, I feel your pain but it will be over soon, for better or worse.

If anyone has additional information on when/how our KY results will be released, please let me know! Otherwise, I will post my Kaplan Midterm/Final results and actual results on Friday.

Thank you to everyone who has already posted. This has kept me sane over the past few weeks and honestly made me feel better knowing others felt terrible after the MBE as well.

lawguyjake · Post by **lawguyjake** » Mon Sep 21, 2015 3:43 pm

Do I understand correctly that we are not told what our raw MBE scores are? I received my scaled score but I am interested in knowing how many I actually got correct. I'm not down for an exam where I passed despite having missed 60% of the questions (the remainder of which I only answered correctly because I guessed well).

It would be like...totally corrupt if the examiners didn't tell us how many questions people were getting right and wrong.

RIGHT?!

Danger Zone · Post by **Danger Zone** » Mon Sep 21, 2015 3:54 pm

lawguyjake wrote:Do I understand correctly that we are not told what our raw MBE scores are? I received my scaled score but I am interested in knowing how many I actually got correct. I'm not down for an exam where I passed despite having missed 60% of the questions (the remainder of which I only answered correctly because I guessed well).

It would be like...totally corrupt if the examiners didn't tell us how many questions people were getting right and wrong.

RIGHT?!

Dude, you passed. What else matters?

lawguyjake · Post by **lawguyjake** » Mon Sep 21, 2015 4:30 pm

Danger Zone wrote: Dude, you passed. What else matters?

The folks who aren't passing because of an unfair exam matter to me. An exam where folks can pass while simultaneously missing 50%+ of the questions cannot reasonably be described as a test of "general competence." It's bullshit and I'm not down for that.

Danger Zone · Post by **Danger Zone** » Mon Sep 21, 2015 4:32 pm

odoylerulez · Post by **odoylerulez** » Mon Sep 21, 2015 4:33 pm

lawguyjake wrote:Do I understand correctly that we are not told what our raw MBE scores are? I received my scaled score but I am interested in knowing how many I actually got correct. I'm not down for an exam where I passed despite having missed 60% of the questions (the remainder of which I only answered correctly because I guessed well).

It would be like...totally corrupt if the examiners didn't tell us how many questions people were getting right and wrong.

RIGHT?!

You will probably not get your raw score. Most, maybe even all, states only release scaled MBE scores. I don't see how that is corrupt. It would be nice to know, sure (even with a section-by-section breakdown), but that information generally isn't disseminated.

As a lawyer, you're going to be dealing with uncertainty and without knowing all of the facts of any given dispute ... quite a lot of the time. Might as well start getting used to that now.

dessert_sands · Post by **dessert_sands** » Mon Sep 21, 2015 5:02 pm

MBE Scores coming in? What about those who took the NY Bar, can we find out about our MBE scores too

Danger Zone · Post by **Danger Zone** » Mon Sep 21, 2015 5:11 pm

dessert_sands wrote:MBE Scores coming in? What about those who took the NY Bar, can we find out about our MBE scores too

Nope

K Rock · Post by **K Rock** » Mon Sep 21, 2015 5:19 pm

dessert_sands wrote:MBE Scores coming in? What about those who took the NY Bar, can we find out about our MBE scores too

Just call up NCBE and ask for your score. I'm sure that if you flirt with whoever answers the phone and offer to buy them a nice steak dinner that they will then tell you your score.

marztri · Post by **marztri** » Mon Sep 21, 2015 5:37 pm

K Rock wrote:
dessert_sands wrote:MBE Scores coming in? What about those who took the NY Bar, can we find out about our MBE scores too
Just call up NCBE and ask for your score. I'm sure that if you flirt with whoever answers the phone and offer to buy them a nice steak dinner that they will then tell you your score.

Lol I'm so thankful for this forum and the jokes. Keeping me sane waiting for the NY results. 5 more weeks.........hard going!

robinhoodOO · Post by **robinhoodOO** » Mon Sep 21, 2015 6:06 pm

marztri wrote:
K Rock wrote:
dessert_sands wrote:MBE Scores coming in? What about those who took the NY Bar, can we find out about our MBE scores too
Just call up NCBE and ask for your score. I'm sure that if you flirt with whoever answers the phone and offer to buy them a nice steak dinner that they will then tell you your score.
Lol I'm so thankful for this forum and the jokes. Keeping me sane waiting for the NY results. 5 more weeks.........hard going!

Over 8 weeks left in Cali. I honestly don't know why Biggie ever came back

jlanky · Post by **jlanky** » Mon Sep 21, 2015 7:12 pm

robinhoodOO wrote:
marztri wrote:
K Rock wrote:
dessert_sands wrote:MBE Scores coming in? What about those who took the NY Bar, can we find out about our MBE scores too
Just call up NCBE and ask for your score. I'm sure that if you flirt with whoever answers the phone and offer to buy them a nice steak dinner that they will then tell you your score.
Lol I'm so thankful for this forum and the jokes. Keeping me sane waiting for the NY results. 5 more weeks.........hard going!
Over 8 weeks left in Cali. I honestly don't know why Biggie ever came back

Strictly for the weather....

sd5289 · Post by **sd5289** » Mon Sep 21, 2015 9:05 pm

K Rock wrote:
dessert_sands wrote:MBE Scores coming in? What about those who took the NY Bar, can we find out about our MBE scores too
Just call up NCBE and ask for your score. I'm sure that if you flirt with whoever answers the phone and offer to buy them a nice steak dinner that they will then tell you your score.

What if it's a nice skirt steak?

With a bottle of wine. I'll even spring for a Barolo.

gatorlawgrad · Post by **gatorlawgrad** » Mon Sep 21, 2015 11:14 pm

So I just got back my Florida results today and passed! I honestly was reading this forum at like 3am when I couldn't sleep and it really helped me calm down and almost helped me think that I passed. Before then, I was convinced that I had straight up failed the MBE section. I felt like I knew absolutely nothing after the morning session, and then felt even worse about the afternoon, which I didn't even know was possible. Pretty sure I went back to the hotel room to cry because I would have to go back and take it again in February. I took Kaplan and watched all the lectures, did all the bar notes, did the majority of the essays, and did like 40 MBE questions a day after I took the midterm and thought I had failed on the real day. I got a 100 on the midterm, 126 on the final, and 144 on the alternative exam - unfortunately Florida mails out their results the day it's posted online so I'll update when I get those. Thanks for making this so we could all commiserate together!

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