National MBE Mean Scaled Score lowest since 2004 Forum

[AJS30]

http://www.tn.gov/lawexaminers/docs/201 ... 0Final.pdf

The National MBE Mean Scaled score was a 141.47 this summer compared to 144.26 last summer.

[84Sunbird2000]

I've been saying it was about 3 points low for weeks now. Really makes no sense. Based on the LSAT scores of the class taking the bar this year (including recent repeaters), it should be UP from historical levels if anything. I mean, what is the explanation, other than NCBE dropping the ball on its normalization calculation?

[Assumpsit]

lol waittttt but all the try hards on TLS said it wasn't hard?? What gives?!??!

[imacpa]

After analyzing Tennessee's 2014 bar stats along with the national average from July 2014 and July 2013 this is what I have discovered. In July 2013, 20% of all exam takers nationwide scored below the scaled score of 135 according to NCBEX's bar statistics report. In July 2014, over 33% of all exam takers nationwide scored below 135 scaled. Therefore, there was approximately a 13% increase of exam takers falling below 135.

So in a nutshell what we are seeing is a decline in the overall bar passage rate due to the larger proportion of exam takers falling below the MBE scale of 135 than in previous years. In all likelihood, those students have likely failed the bar if their essays were not above the scaled mean for their perspective states to balance out the poor performance on the MBE.

Someone had commented on Pennsylvania's July 2014 performance in another forum. Pennsylvania scored above the national mean MBE for July 2014 and their overall bar passage rate was pretty consistent from prior years.

But the mystery still remains.....why the overall decrease in national MBE performance? Pennsylvania was the exception because they scored above the national mean overall on the recent bar exam.

[Johann]

Maybe they just made a harder test to help the market? Maybe the number of shitty law students at shitty schools has a higher ratio to good law students at good law schools than previous years? Prolly the latter but anyways it's cool.

[imacpa]

Maybe they just made a harder test to help the market? Maybe the number of shitty law students at shitty schools has a higher ratio to good law students at good law schools than previous years? Prolly the latter but anyways it's cool.

That could very well be plausible. Especially when the bar essays are curved to the MBE's standard deviation and mean. This would make sense as it pertains to Pennsylvania since their MBE mean was higher than the national. It seems that PA curved their bar examinees based upon their state MBE's median and standard deviation. Penn sure looks like an aberration as far as MBE performance.

[VulcanVulcanVulcan]

http://www.tn.gov/lawexaminers/docs/201 ... 0Final.pdf

The National MBE Mean Scaled score was a 141.47 this summer compared to 144.26 last summer.

So I am confused--to what extent does this show that the MBE this time was harder? I took it this summer and found it significantly harder than expected. But it's hard to tell whether the scaled score is lower because of lower raw scores or some other reason.

[ebo]

lol waittttt but all the try hards on TLS said it wasn't hard?? What gives?!??!

Haha- exactly. Those dbags were acting like it was a walk in the park for everyone with a triple digit IQ

[Desert Fox]

Going to school C/o 13 was delusional, but C/O 14 was retarded.

[Assumpsit]

Or maybe it was hard but a lot of low #s showed up. I thought it was insane yet did better than my practice score and Barbri percentiles....

[ebo]

Or maybe it was hard but a lot of low #s showed up. I thought it was insane yet did better than my practice score and Barbri percentiles....

Still waiting on results here in TX. Curious- what were your practice scores vs. actual scaled MBE score?

[BruceWayne]

Going to school C/o 13 was delusional, but C/O 14 was retarded.

C/o 2014 was crazy. But C/o 2013 applied when people still weren't sure quite how bad it was at the top schools.

[kingofcream]

After analyzing Tennessee's 2014 bar stats along with the national average from July 2014 and July 2013 this is what I have discovered. In July 2013, 20% of all exam takers nationwide scored below the scaled score of 135 according to NCBEX's bar statistics report. In July 2014, over 33% of all exam takers nationwide scored below 135 scaled. Therefore, there was approximately a 13% increase of exam takers falling below 135.

So in a nutshell what we are seeing is a decline in the overall bar passage rate due to the larger proportion of exam takers falling below the MBE scale of 135 than in previous years. In all likelihood, those students have likely failed the bar if their essays were not above the scaled mean for their perspective states to balance out the poor performance on the MBE.

Someone had commented on Pennsylvania's July 2014 performance in another forum. Pennsylvania scored above the national mean MBE for July 2014 and their overall bar passage rate was pretty consistent from prior years.

But the mystery still remains.....why the overall decrease in national MBE performance? Pennsylvania was the exception because they scored above the national mean overall on the recent bar exam.

Maybe smart people saw the writing on the wall and stopped going to law school, leaving less intelligent delusionals.

[kingofcream]

Going to school C/o 13 was delusional, but C/O 14 was retarded.

Class of 2014 here, can confirm. I've been living the last 30 years as a retarded man to prepare for a legal career.

[Desert Fox]

Going to school C/o 13 was delusional, but C/O 14 was retarded.

C/o 2014 was crazy. But C/o 2013 applied when people still weren't sure quite how bad it was at the top schools.

C/O 13 accepted their offers after OCI for C/O 11 was a disaster. C/O 13 knew the economy sucked and just hoped it would bounce back in time for them.

C/O 14 should have know that wasn't going to happen after C/O 13 OCI also sucked.

[r6_philly]

Going to school C/o 13 was delusional, but C/O 14 was retarded.

And think I turned a delusional decision into a retarded one!!!

ETA the TCR back then was "reapply"

[kingofcream]

Going to school C/o 13 was delusional, but C/O 14 was retarded.

And think I turned a delusional decision into a retarded one!!!

ETA the TCR back then was "reapply"

retake