NY Bar Exam Application Forum

[Vertigo963]

Does anyone know if we must provide the actual dates of incidents on our C&F app? I only remember the month that most of the incidents happened. I'm talking about speeding tickets and stuff like that that I never kept a record of.

I mean, I would try to find out the dates if possible, but if you can't then just write down what you remember.

I mailed my application to the Third Department last week and faxed my passing letter an hour ago and just got an email saying they received my application. I'm assuming that means my application is complete? I may call just in case.

Thank god for that 10 year provision because I did not want to try track down the dates of speeding tickets I received when I was 16.

Sorry, what 10 year provision? The version of the forms I used asked if I had "ever" been charged with a violation of the law. Am I missing something?

[bport hopeful]

I think its speeding tickets within the last ten years.

[Vertigo963]

I think its speeding tickets within the last ten years.

Citation?

[fats provolone]

I think its speeding tickets within the last ten years.

Citation?

yea you don't have to disclose warnings

[notedgarfigaro]

I think its speeding tickets within the last ten years.

Citation?

It's right there in the prompt:

Traffic violations that occurred more than ten years before the filing of this application need not be reported,
except alcohol- or drug-related traffic violations, which must be reported in all cases, irrespective of
when they occurred. Do not report parking violation

[Vertigo963]

It's right there in the prompt:

Traffic violations that occurred more than ten years before the filing of this application need not be reported,
except alcohol- or drug-related traffic violations, which must be reported in all cases, irrespective of
when they occurred. Do not report parking violation

You're right, it is there in the Sept. 2014 version of the forms. I applied earlier though, and the version I had did not have the 10-year window.

Thanks for clearing that up.

[inkincorporate]

Just to be sure, is there anything problematic about someone filling out an employment/good morals shit/pro bono affadavit by hand instead of typing it? I sent out the hard copy w/ my info typed on the forms and a return envelope, figuring that the people I send it to would prob fill it out by hand. Couldn't find anything that said it wasn't ok.

[AJS30]

Just to be sure, is there anything problematic about someone filling out an employment/good morals shit/pro bono affadavit by hand instead of typing it? I sent out the hard copy w/ my info typed on the forms and a return envelope, figuring that the people I send it to would prob fill it out by hand. Couldn't find anything that said it wasn't ok.

I mean I've been handwriting mine since my printer is broken and used my friends to print out the forms. Really hope it's okay, because that would be annoying.

[northwood]

Does anyone know if we must provide the actual dates of incidents on our C&F app? I only remember the month that most of the incidents happened. I'm talking about speeding tickets and stuff like that that I never kept a record of.

I mean, I would try to find out the dates if possible, but if you can't then just write down what you remember.

I mailed my application to the Third Department last week and faxed my passing letter an hour ago and just got an email saying they received my application. I'm assuming that means my application is complete? I may call just in case.

Thank god for that 10 year provision because I did not want to try track down the dates of speeding tickets I received when I was 16.

I had to do that for some of my law school apps, but my only speeding ticket was changed to improper equipment, so it doesn't appear on my record and the law firm purged its records years ago. Apparently "it happened 9 years ago in either february or march, and it was 41 in a 25." is good enough for law schools.

Also, did anyone else run out of room for prior employment? If so, what do you do?

I just re created the tables and wrote an addendum to the prior employment section and placed it at the end of the application.

[JenDarby]

There is a rider that is available on the NY bar app website page and you are supposed to use it for any section where you go over.

[comet_halley]

About the Pro-Bono Form, do we need to have it certified by supervisor first or have it notarized first?

[bport hopeful]

About the Pro-Bono Form, do we need to have it certified by supervisor first or have it notarized first?

I imagine it doesnt matter. Notaries just ensure a signature, in this case, yours.

[kingofcream]

So I honestly don't think I can find a real attorney for my moral character affidavits. I know it's just "recommended" but is this a problem? Got along really well with my clinic professors but they're filling out the employee affidavits. Met some cool people last summer but I haven't known them long enough. Might ask an old fraternity brother who just got licensed in Massachusetts last year but I don't know. Racking my brain.

[JenDarby]

So I honestly don't think I can find a real attorney for my moral character affidavits. I know it's just "recommended" but is this a problem? Got along really well with my clinic professors but they're filling out the employee affidavits. Met some cool people last summer but I haven't known them long enough. Might ask an old fraternity brother who just got licensed in Massachusetts last year but I don't know. Racking my brain.

If it makes you feel any better, I imagine your clinic professor qualifies as part of the faculty of your law school and is barred from filling it out anyways.

One person earlier said they had two friends fill it out and that was no problem.

I'm having someone who graduated a year before me and was on a public service group's board as well as my journal board fill it out. Are there any admitted, prior grads you could have full it out?

[inkincorporate]

One of my moral values recommender people asked if he could attach an additional page, since the space given to make the recommendation might be insufficient. Is there a special form for this, or any directions he needs to follow to do this? Can't find anything online about this.

[JenDarby]

One of my moral values recommender people asked if he could attach an additional page, since the space given to make the recommendation might be insufficient. Is there a special form for this, or any directions he needs to follow to do this? Can't find anything online about this.

There is a rider online to be used if you need extra space for any questions on the application questionaire:

https://www.nycourts.gov/courts/ad1/Com ... llable.pdf

Perhaps you could use that? Or make a similar rider for the affidavit.

[kingofcream]

So I honestly don't think I can find a real attorney for my moral character affidavits. I know it's just "recommended" but is this a problem? Got along really well with my clinic professors but they're filling out the employee affidavits. Met some cool people last summer but I haven't known them long enough. Might ask an old fraternity brother who just got licensed in Massachusetts last year but I don't know. Racking my brain.

If it makes you feel any better, I imagine your clinic professor qualifies as part of the faculty of your law school and is barred from filling it out anyways.

One person earlier said they had two friends fill it out and that was no problem.

I'm having someone who graduated a year before me and was on a public service group's board as well as my journal board fill it out. Are there any admitted, prior grads you could have full it out?

Yeah, but I don't know them super well so I'm not sure. I think I'll just get another friend to do it-thanks for picking up on that, sometimes I get lazy with big threads. I imagine having a licensed attorney be one of your moral references is much more important if there are actually some concerns about your character-I think I'm ok on that front.

OT-I hear Jersey results are supposed to come out today, if there are any other NY/NJ people out there. Or just NJ people.

[blue920]

So I honestly don't think I can find a real attorney for my moral character affidavits. I know it's just "recommended" but is this a problem? Got along really well with my clinic professors but they're filling out the employee affidavits. Met some cool people last summer but I haven't known them long enough. Might ask an old fraternity brother who just got licensed in Massachusetts last year but I don't know. Racking my brain.

If it makes you feel any better, I imagine your clinic professor qualifies as part of the faculty of your law school and is barred from filling it out anyways.

One person earlier said they had two friends fill it out and that was no problem.

I'm having someone who graduated a year before me and was on a public service group's board as well as my journal board fill it out. Are there any admitted, prior grads you could have full it out?

Yeah, but I don't know them super well so I'm not sure. I think I'll just get another friend to do it-thanks for picking up on that, sometimes I get lazy with big threads. I imagine having a licensed attorney be one of your moral references is much more important if there are actually some concerns about your character-I think I'm ok on that front.

OT-I hear Jersey results are supposed to come out today, if there are any other NY/NJ people out there. Or just NJ people.

Yep, NJ's out. Another pass It was surprisingly anticlimactic - I guess because I was worried more about NY and I just took NJ to have a few more employment options. But I'm happy - and surprised by how early they came out. Nice to have one jurisdiction where the C&F stuff is already done - got a phone call from the 2nd dept today asking if I filled out the OCA registration yet. I haven't, but I will next week - tonight I'm just going to enjoy the trick or treaters (for the first hour anyway).

And I used two family friends for my moral affidavits. The woman who called today didn't say anything, so I think it was fine.

[kingofcream]

So I honestly don't think I can find a real attorney for my moral character affidavits. I know it's just "recommended" but is this a problem? Got along really well with my clinic professors but they're filling out the employee affidavits. Met some cool people last summer but I haven't known them long enough. Might ask an old fraternity brother who just got licensed in Massachusetts last year but I don't know. Racking my brain.

If it makes you feel any better, I imagine your clinic professor qualifies as part of the faculty of your law school and is barred from filling it out anyways.

One person earlier said they had two friends fill it out and that was no problem.

I'm having someone who graduated a year before me and was on a public service group's board as well as my journal board fill it out. Are there any admitted, prior grads you could have full it out?

Yeah, but I don't know them super well so I'm not sure. I think I'll just get another friend to do it-thanks for picking up on that, sometimes I get lazy with big threads. I imagine having a licensed attorney be one of your moral references is much more important if there are actually some concerns about your character-I think I'm ok on that front.

OT-I hear Jersey results are supposed to come out today, if there are any other NY/NJ people out there. Or just NJ people.

Yep, NJ's out. Another pass It was surprisingly anticlimactic - I guess because I was worried more about NY and I just took NJ to have a few more employment options. But I'm happy - and surprised by how early they came out. Nice to have one jurisdiction where the C&F stuff is already done - got a phone call from the 2nd dept today asking if I filled out the OCA registration yet. I haven't, but I will next week - tonight I'm just going to enjoy the trick or treaters (for the first hour anyway).

And I used two family friends for my moral affidavits. The woman who called today didn't say anything, so I think it was fine.

You've been certified in NJ? Nice! Now I'm worried. Are you a NJ resident?

And congrats!

[AReasonableMan]

How do you find dismissed citations? Who would have those on file? Could you disclose with a date but no number?

[blue920]

Yep, NJ's out. Another pass It was surprisingly anticlimactic - I guess because I was worried more about NY and I just took NJ to have a few more employment options. But I'm happy - and surprised by how early they came out. Nice to have one jurisdiction where the C&F stuff is already done - got a phone call from the 2nd dept today asking if I filled out the OCA registration yet. I haven't, but I will next week - tonight I'm just going to enjoy the trick or treaters (for the first hour anyway).

And I used two family friends for my moral affidavits. The woman who called today didn't say anything, so I think it was fine.

You've been certified in NJ? Nice! Now I'm worried. Are you a NJ resident?

And congrats!

Thanks! I'm not a NJ resident, but from the results letter it seems like I'm pretty much all set and all I have left is the swearing-in and subsequent registration.

The second paragraph says:
A review of your file indicates that you have successfully completed all of the bar admission requirements established by the Supreme Court. You are now eligible for admission to the Bar of the State of New Jersey.

Then it talks about being sworn in, and once that's done I can register. Does your letter say something different?

[Lawst]

Regarding the pro bono hours form, does it matter if the supervisor signs and dates it before I sign and notarize the form? The supervisor is in another city, so it just seems to make sense to type the information into the PDF, email it, have her sign it and mail it to me to sign and notarize it, rather than having it mailed twice if I sign it first.

[northwood]

Regarding the pro bono hours form, does it matter if the supervisor signs and dates it before I sign and notarize the form? The supervisor is in another city, so it just seems to make sense to type the information into the PDF, email it, have her sign it and mail it to me to sign and notarize it, rather than having it mailed twice if I sign it first.

my supervisor signed and dated it before I had it notarized. so no worries

[kingofcream]

Yep, NJ's out. Another pass It was surprisingly anticlimactic - I guess because I was worried more about NY and I just took NJ to have a few more employment options. But I'm happy - and surprised by how early they came out. Nice to have one jurisdiction where the C&F stuff is already done - got a phone call from the 2nd dept today asking if I filled out the OCA registration yet. I haven't, but I will next week - tonight I'm just going to enjoy the trick or treaters (for the first hour anyway).

And I used two family friends for my moral affidavits. The woman who called today didn't say anything, so I think it was fine.

You've been certified in NJ? Nice! Now I'm worried. Are you a NJ resident?

And congrats!

Thanks! I'm not a NJ resident, but from the results letter it seems like I'm pretty much all set and all I have left is the swearing-in and subsequent registration.

The second paragraph says:
A review of your file indicates that you have successfully completed all of the bar admission requirements established by the Supreme Court. You are now eligible for admission to the Bar of the State of New Jersey.

Then it talks about being sworn in, and once that's done I can register. Does your letter say something different?

"A review of your file indicates that you have not yet been certified either because you must still meet one or more of the requirements listed below or because your file is still under review."

And it doesn't list any missing documents, just "If nothing is listed, your standard documentation has been received and your reviewing attorney has either not yet completed the reveiw of your file or requires additional information or documentation specific to your file."

So I assume there are a lot of applicants, and I'm just unlucky since they haven't gotten to mine yet.

I guess it's not *that* important. I'm more worried about New York, but it'll take months to get sworn in. I was hoping I would be certified so I could immediately be sworn in and legally call myself a lawyer.

[blue920]

Yep, NJ's out. Another pass It was surprisingly anticlimactic - I guess because I was worried more about NY and I just took NJ to have a few more employment options. But I'm happy - and surprised by how early they came out. Nice to have one jurisdiction where the C&F stuff is already done - got a phone call from the 2nd dept today asking if I filled out the OCA registration yet. I haven't, but I will next week - tonight I'm just going to enjoy the trick or treaters (for the first hour anyway).

And I used two family friends for my moral affidavits. The woman who called today didn't say anything, so I think it was fine.

You've been certified in NJ? Nice! Now I'm worried. Are you a NJ resident?

And congrats!

Thanks! I'm not a NJ resident, but from the results letter it seems like I'm pretty much all set and all I have left is the swearing-in and subsequent registration.

The second paragraph says:
A review of your file indicates that you have successfully completed all of the bar admission requirements established by the Supreme Court. You are now eligible for admission to the Bar of the State of New Jersey.

Then it talks about being sworn in, and once that's done I can register. Does your letter say something different?

"A review of your file indicates that you have not yet been certified either because you must still meet one or more of the requirements listed below or because your file is still under review."

And it doesn't list any missing documents, just "If nothing is listed, your standard documentation has been received and your reviewing attorney has either not yet completed the reveiw of your file or requires additional information or documentation specific to your file."

So I assume there are a lot of applicants, and I'm just unlucky since they haven't gotten to mine yet.

I guess it's not *that* important. I'm more worried about New York, but it'll take months to get sworn in. I was hoping I would be certified so I could immediately be sworn in and legally call myself a lawyer.

Urgh, that's annoying. I think I got my forms in pretty early, maybe that's why I'm done? Had those notarized forms and my driving abstracts in by April 11, then got fingerprinted on May 12. But I'm sure they'll finish the review soon! Are you going to immediately get yourself sworn in? I'm still deciding - there's a ceremony in Trenton on December 2 and while I hate all that ceremonial stuff, my parents love it. Maybe it'll fill up quickly and then I can honestly say I can't go, haha.

I'm worried about NY too. I think I got in everything and hopefully the woman from the 2nd dept would have told me if I hadn't, but there is SO MUCH PAPERWORK. I just sent in my OCA registration today and so I think everything's set except for that introduction to the profession course, which is not until December. I'd just like everything to be finished so I can be admitted and move on!