BarBri Bar Review Hangout - July 2016 (UBE -NY) Forum

[LionelHutzJD]

LMFAO at in re clarke's model answer. Really? No way I could write all that, like literally, I cannot type that fast.

I'm actually really stressed about the MPT...mostly because I feel like I don't know how else to prepare for it. I've practiced enough to get a feel for time restraints but I don't know how else to prepare at this point..what are you guys doing? reading model answers?

I went through the MPT book and read through all the sample documents and model answers to get a feel for each scenario.

[ellewoods123]

LMFAO at in re clarke's model answer. Really? No way I could write all that, like literally, I cannot type that fast.

I'm actually really stressed about the MPT...mostly because I feel like I don't know how else to prepare for it. I've practiced enough to get a feel for time restraints but I don't know how else to prepare at this point..what are you guys doing? reading model answers?

I went through the MPT book and read through all the sample documents and model answers to get a feel for each scenario.

I need to be scared into studying more. At a crossroads. Beyond daily review - Just don't feel like 10 days is going to make or break me at this point. Struggle is real

[LionelHutzJD]

LMFAO at in re clarke's model answer. Really? No way I could write all that, like literally, I cannot type that fast.

I'm actually really stressed about the MPT...mostly because I feel like I don't know how else to prepare for it. I've practiced enough to get a feel for time restraints but I don't know how else to prepare at this point..what are you guys doing? reading model answers?

I went through the MPT book and read through all the sample documents and model answers to get a feel for each scenario.

I need to be scared into studying more at. At a crossroads. Beyond daily review - Just don't feel like 10 days is going to make or break me at this point. Struggle is real

I probably won't do another MPT from until game day but going through the work book was quick - makes me feel a bit more at ease for an obscure MPT

[fauxpsych]

I get that this thread isn't representative of all BarBri takers, but how is the average completion rate for users ~30% behind what was assigned? Can that possible be accurate? Is it just to make us feel better for being "only" ~10% behind?

[SLS_AMG]

Are you guys memorizing elements of crimes, defenses, torts, etc.? I'm getting paranoid about having to write essays for even the MBE subjects and not remembering the specific elements of a tort or the characteristics of a merchant, or the elements of the business record hearsay exception, etc.

Are you all just learning these generally or drilling them down mechanically into rote memorization?

[MCFC]

I get that this thread isn't representative of all BarBri takers, but how is the average completion rate for users ~30% behind what was assigned? Can that possible be accurate? Is it just to make us feel better for being "only" ~10% behind?

I bet at least some of it is all those little 2-3 minute videos, plus all the assignments that tell you to review or reflect or something.

[sublime]

Are you guys memorizing elements of crimes, defenses, torts, etc.? I'm getting paranoid about having to write essays for even the MBE subjects and not remembering the specific elements of a tort or the characteristics of a merchant, or the elements of the business record hearsay exception, etc.

Are you all just learning these generally or drilling them down mechanically into rote memorization?

Idk, it isn't like Barbri's rep is to coddle you though.

[ellewoods123]

Are you guys memorizing elements of crimes, defenses, torts, etc.? I'm getting paranoid about having to write essays for even the MBE subjects and not remembering the specific elements of a tort or the characteristics of a merchant, or the elements of the business record hearsay exception, etc.

Are you all just learning these generally or drilling them down mechanically into rote memorization?

Idk, it isn't like Barbri's rep is to coddle you though.[/quote


I'm learning them generally and livin on a prayer that that's enough. Wayyyy too much detail to have it down Cold for every little nuance

[judgefudge]

Lord, these MBE Refresher videos are boring -______-

[LionelHutzJD]

Are you guys memorizing elements of crimes, defenses, torts, etc.? I'm getting paranoid about having to write essays for even the MBE subjects and not remembering the specific elements of a tort or the characteristics of a merchant, or the elements of the business record hearsay exception, etc.

Are you all just learning these generally or drilling them down mechanically into rote memorization?

Yes.

At least for crimes I think it's important to know, for example Solicitation, the crime is in the asking.

I'm also willing to bet you've memorized more than you think.

[bwh8813]

I get that this thread isn't representative of all BarBri takers, but how is the average completion rate for users ~30% behind what was assigned? Can that possible be accurate? Is it just to make us feel better for being "only" ~10% behind?

I'm only at 56%. I didn't check off a lot of "review notes" after the lectures although I would typically review them, and I've ignored their stupid pep talk videos. I also skipped a bunch of early essays because I wasn't comfortable enough with the specific rules at the time, although I knew them generally. I thought it was a waste of time to try to write/outline something that I knew I didn't know yet. I've gone back and done many, and continue to, but not all yet. I also didn't watch most of the simulated MBE analysis videos but studied answers on my own. I've done quite well on MBE and am now focused on MEE and memorization.

[ballouttacontrol]

I get that this thread isn't representative of all BarBri takers, but how is the average completion rate for users ~30% behind what was assigned? Can that possible be accurate? Is it just to make us feel better for being "only" ~10% behind?

I bet at least some of it is all those little 2-3 minute videos, plus all the assignments that tell you to review or reflect or something.

I'm at 50℅ exactly. But I've been catching up rapidly in the past week or so, started way late and kinda jacked off for the first several weeks after i started

My goal is to just have a good understanding of all MEE topics and kill the MBE.

I got 70% on the simulated MBE which is like 80 some percentile. I'm in a UBE states thats requirement is slightly higher than NY. But even still, if I get 80ish percentile MBE, the other half of the exam I need to above the 11th ish percentile. On top of that, 40% of that other half (20% of total) is MPT. And on top of that, at least 1/3 to 1/2 of the MEE questions will be MBE topics. Given all of that, plus the fact that bar takers are a cross section of all law schools and not just t14s, I would feel like a fuckin retard and deserve to fail if I can't muster to fall into the top 90% of the written portion

Long story short I think the ℅age is accurate. On top of that, I think barbri only plans on you hitting the 75% mark in all honesty. According to my rep, my school has a 100% pass rate for as many years as they have data for my state for takers who competed at least 75% of material. And as I mentioned the state has a higher req than NY, so all you NY takers would have even more wiggle room.

[lawstoodent]

I get that this thread isn't representative of all BarBri takers, but how is the average completion rate for users ~30% behind what was assigned? Can that possible be accurate? Is it just to make us feel better for being "only" ~10% behind?

I bet at least some of it is all those little 2-3 minute videos, plus all the assignments that tell you to review or reflect or something.

I'm at 50℅ exactly. But I've been catching up rapidly in the past week or so, started way late and kinda jacked off for the first several weeks after i started

My goal is to just have a good understanding of all MEE topics and kill the MBE.

I got 70% on the simulated MBE which is like 80 some percentile. I'm in a UBE states thats requirement is slightly higher than NY. But even still, if I get 80ish percentile MBE, the other half of the exam I need to above the 11th ish percentile. On top of that, 40% of that other half (20% of total) is MPT. And on top of that, at least 1/3 to 1/2 of the MEE questions will be MBE topics. Given all of that, plus the fact that bar takers are a cross section of all law schools and not just t14s, I would feel like a fuckin retard and deserve to fail if I can't muster to fall into the top 90% of the written portion

Long story short I think the ℅age is accurate. On top of that, I think barbri only plans on you hitting the 75% mark in all honesty. According to my rep, my school has a 100% pass rate for as many years as they have data for my state for takers who competed at least 75% of material. And as I mentioned the state has a higher req than NY, so all you NY takers would have even more wiggle room.

Where are you getting the stat that you need to be above 11th percentile for the other half of the exam to pass? Haven't been able to find anything official on UBE MEE scoring and percentiles.

[lawschoolwoohoo]

Anyone know the goal or the averages for tomorrow's 100 Q MBE refresher?

56/100.

Really? Where'd you find this? Just finished it...56 seems awfully low.

Thank you so much for this! I got 64/100 and spent an hour crying that I should just give up on the bar until I saw this. I had assumed the required number was 70 or something. Kind of a dick movie on Barbri's part to wreck us and destroy our confidence like this a week before.

[mvp99]

41/50 on the 50 Q mixed set. I'm satisfied. My adaptibar percentage is a bit lower than Barbri's percentage. I think mostly due to adaptibar's civ pro questions but even without them my Barbri percentage would still be higher by 3-4%. So much for "Barbri's questions are harder than the real thing."

[ellewoods123]

I get that this thread isn't representative of all BarBri takers, but how is the average completion rate for users ~30% behind what was assigned? Can that possible be accurate? Is it just to make us feel better for being "only" ~10% behind?

I bet at least some of it is all those little 2-3 minute videos, plus all the assignments that tell you to review or reflect or something.

I'm at 50℅ exactly. But I've been catching up rapidly in the past week or so, started way late and kinda jacked off for the first several weeks after i started

My goal is to just have a good understanding of all MEE topics and kill the MBE.

I got 70% on the simulated MBE which is like 80 some percentile. I'm in a UBE states thats requirement is slightly higher than NY. But even still, if I get 80ish percentile MBE, the other half of the exam I need to above the 11th ish percentile. On top of that, 40% of that other half (20% of total) is MPT. And on top of that, at least 1/3 to 1/2 of the MEE questions will be MBE topics. Given all of that, plus the fact that bar takers are a cross section of all law schools and not just t14s, I would feel like a fuckin retard and deserve to fail if I can't muster to fall into the top 90% of the written portion

Long story short I think the ℅age is accurate. On top of that, I think barbri only plans on you hitting the 75% mark in all honesty. According to my rep, my school has a 100% pass rate for as many years as they have data for my state for takers who competed at least 75% of material. And as I mentioned the state has a higher req than NY, so all you NY takers would have even more wiggle room.

I scored 70% on the simulated MBE also and have a similar plan of attack/thought process. I'm curious as to how much more effort you've been putting into the MBE after the Simulated..I've definitely been backing off significantly (which makes me a little nervous) thought I still try to do 50 questions a day. I'm hoping that score is accurate to predict our MBE actual peformance..though I am nervous to get comfortable with that idea

[ballouttacontrol]

I get that this thread isn't representative of all BarBri takers, but how is the average completion rate for users ~30% behind what was assigned? Can that possible be accurate? Is it just to make us feel better for being "only" ~10% behind?

I bet at least some of it is all those little 2-3 minute videos, plus all the assignments that tell you to review or reflect or something.

I'm at 50℅ exactly. But I've been catching up rapidly in the past week or so, started way late and kinda jacked off for the first several weeks after i started

My goal is to just have a good understanding of all MEE topics and kill the MBE.

I got 70% on the simulated MBE which is like 80 some percentile. I'm in a UBE states thats requirement is slightly higher than NY. But even still, if I get 80ish percentile MBE, the other half of the exam I need to above the 11th ish percentile. On top of that, 40% of that other half (20% of total) is MPT. And on top of that, at least 1/3 to 1/2 of the MEE questions will be MBE topics. Given all of that, plus the fact that bar takers are a cross section of all law schools and not just t14s, I would feel like a fuckin retard and deserve to fail if I can't muster to fall into the top 90% of the written portion

Long story short I think the ℅age is accurate. On top of that, I think barbri only plans on you hitting the 75% mark in all honesty. According to my rep, my school has a 100% pass rate for as many years as they have data for my state for takers who competed at least 75% of material. And as I mentioned the state has a higher req than NY, so all you NY takers would have even more wiggle room.

Where are you getting the stat that you need to be above 11th percentile for the other half of the exam to pass? Haven't been able to find anything official on UBE MEE scoring and percentiles.

Look for DF's mbe autopass post from a few yrs ago. I think Illinois posted percentiles for UBE sections. Like it showed that a 80 percentile would be an XXX score. Then u just subtract what u need from the total (270 in NY I believe) and u can work out the percentile on the other half

I forgot the exact breakdowns, but I remember how it worked out for me. If I got 80 percentile mbe I'dneed 11 percentile on mee. Even a 60 percentile worked out to like 30 percentile on mee. And I'm in one of the hardest states. In DF's post he shows how in IL which I think needed only a 264 that with a good mbe you'd literally need like bottom 1% to fail

[jj252525]

41/50 on the 50 Q mixed set. I'm satisfied. My adaptibar percentage is a bit lower than Barbri's percentage. I think mostly due to adaptibar's civ pro questions but even without them my Barbri percentage would still be higher by 3-4%. So much for "Barbri's questions are harder than the real thing."

I find that Barbri's questions vary wildly. They can go from dramatically easier to (as seen in some of the Set 5s) dramatically harder. It's my hope (and probably my assumption) that the difficulty we're seeing in the closing sets are a bit closer to what we should except, if not slightly off.

[LionelHutzJD]

I've definitely backed off the MBE topics since the simulated (80th percentile). I haven't really seen my scores drop however.

A good understanding of the MEE topics is what I'm trying to do now. I'll Do the refresher tomorrow.

[ellewoods123]

I've definitely backed off the MBE topics since the simulated (80th percentile). I haven't really seen my scores drop however.

A good understanding of the MEE topics is what I'm trying to do now. I'll Do the refresher tomorrow.

k good that makes me feel less worried! am I crazy/irrational to think I'll be the one person who scored 80th percentile on the Simulated and then bombed it on test day (yes)...thats just not possible right? somebody tell me thats not possible. PANIC MODE has set in.

[SLS_AMG]

I could be wrong, but I have a feeling that, when the dust settles and we look back on the exam a week or two after we take it, we'll think that the BarBri midterm more or less approximated it in difficulty.

Let's hope it's somehow easier though.

[mvp99]

41/50 on the 50 Q mixed set. I'm satisfied. My adaptibar percentage is a bit lower than Barbri's percentage. I think mostly due to adaptibar's civ pro questions but even without them my Barbri percentage would still be higher by 3-4%. So much for "Barbri's questions are harder than the real thing."

I find that Barbri's questions vary wildly. They can go from dramatically easier to (as seen in some of the Set 5s) dramatically harder. It's my hope (and probably my assumption) that the difficulty we're seeing in the closing sets are a bit closer to what we should except, if not slightly off.

Some of them are harder in a different way, designed to teach you a rule, but wouldn't be on the exam. E.g.

[+] Spoiler

the mixed had this Supreme Court original jurisdiction question (when a state sues the federal government) and I answered D federal district court lacks original jurisdiction because the bar exam instructions say "You are to assume that there is no applicable statute unless otherwise specified" Granting jurisdiction to federal district courts in cases between the state and the federal government is a creature of statute I believe.

[ellewoods123]

I could be wrong, but I have a feeling that, when the dust settles and we look back on the exam a week or two after we take it, we'll think that the BarBri midterm more or less approximated it in difficulty.

Let's hope it's somehow easier though.

I agree..I think no matter what I'm going to come out of the MBE feeling like I bombed it. Guess no sense in worrying at this point. sigh.

[ballouttacontrol]

Idk about you but I've done well on multiple choice standard tests since forever. MBE is no different

[SLS_AMG]

I could be wrong, but I have a feeling that, when the dust settles and we look back on the exam a week or two after we take it, we'll think that the BarBri midterm more or less approximated it in difficulty.

Let's hope it's somehow easier though.

I agree..I think no matter what I'm going to come out of the MBE feeling like I bombed it. Guess no sense in worrying at this point. sigh.

Yeah, I know I'll come out of it convinced I failed, too. Gonna be a long 3 month wait.

On the bright side:
1. The MPT should be a relatively easy 3 points on each essay, right? We all know how to properly format and make at least a weak argument. That seems to be enough, along with following directions, to get a passing MPT score.

2. On the MBE, there will be a lot of toss-up questions or questions where you've narrowed it down to 2 answers, and you will remember all of those and convince yourself all 200 questions were like that. You'll forget the large number of questions that you were 90+% certain of.

3. There's almost always one off-the-wall answer (e.g. 10th Amendment, substantively unconscionable, etc.) on the MBE, so usually even a straight-up guess results in at least a 33% chance of getting the question right. But you'll almost never be guessing entirely. Even on the dicey questions, you know more than you think.