Barbri paced program question? Forum

[Georgia Avenue]

If the superseding intervening act was made more possible or likely as a result of the original tortfeasor's negligence then it's a proximate cause of the breach of their duty.

Examples: hotel knows that there are thieves targeting rooms but does not hire any security guards or install new locks; valet parking person leaves your car unlocked and thieves take the car for a joyride and the car is totaled

a landlord failing to fix the locks on his building and someone's apartment being burglarized

or, from the simulated MBE, a security firm failing to conduct a background check and negligently hiring and entrusting a felon with a gun, who then uses it in a bar fight

on the other hand, if a driver negligently crashes his car which blocks a street and forces you to take a detour where you're carjacked 15 blocks into the detour, you can't recover from the driver

[harmonep07]

Hey you know how in torts an intervening criminal act sometimes cuts off liability (supervening act?) maybe because they are unforeseeable? And sometimes they don't cut off, because they are foreseeable intervening acts? Can I get some examples of each to be able to tell the difference (and also correction to any misstatement I made)? TIA!

I just ask myself: how ridiculous would it be to hold this guy liable in this case? That usually gets me where I need to be on proximate cause questions.

[The Egyptian]

If the superseding intervening act was made more possible or likely as a result of the original tortfeasor's negligence then it's a proximate cause of the breach of their duty.

Examples: hotel knows that there are thieves targeting rooms but does not hire any security guards or install new locks; valet parking person leaves your car unlocked and thieves take the car for a joyride and the car is totaled

a landlord failing to fix the locks on his building and someone's apartment being burglarized

or, from the simulated MBE, a security firm failing to conduct a background check and negligently hiring and entrusting a felon with a gun, who then uses it in a bar fight

on the other hand, if a driver negligently crashes his car which blocks a street and forces you to take a detour where you're carjacked 15 blocks into the detour, you can't recover from the driver

A construction company, left a a big hole in the street, in an area known for its high crime rate. A car transferring money from a bank to another hit that whole. The driver pulled over, and left the car to go find a phone and call some help. The car was broken into and 350K was stolen.

The driver will recover from the construction company.

[mvpforme]

Does anybody else feel like they don't "know" a lot of the state law? I have followed the paced program rather closely but did not move to flash cards until very recently (which I now feel is more effective). I know everything generally, but nothing really well. This method of looking at some topics once every 2-3 weeks is not helping me at all. I have scored well on the mbe, but everything else seems to leave my brain w/in two days of review.

[Flips88]

Does anybody else feel like they don't "know" a lot of the state law? I have followed the paced program rather closely but did not move to flash cards until very recently (which I now feel is more effective). I know everything generally, but nothing really well. This method of looking at some topics once every 2-3 weeks is not helping me at all. I have scored well on the mbe, but everything else seems to leave my brain w/in two days of review.

Yeah no one i know knows the state law or is trying to learn it. It's such minute distinctions most of the time and it fucks with your reasoning for MBE questions. Not sure it's entirely worth it trying to learn it at this point.

[Georgia Avenue]

Does anybody else feel like they don't "know" a lot of the state law? I have followed the paced program rather closely but did not move to flash cards until very recently (which I now feel is more effective). I know everything generally, but nothing really well. This method of looking at some topics once every 2-3 weeks is not helping me at all. I have scored well on the mbe, but everything else seems to leave my brain w/in two days of review.

Yeah no one i know knows the state law or is trying to learn it. It's such minute distinctions most of the time and it fucks with your reasoning for MBE questions. Not sure it's entirely worth it trying to learn it at this point.

I don't think it is. Opened the distinctions tonight, there's 10 pages of state distinctions for IL evidence? Fuck that.

[jd20132013]

Does anybody else feel like they don't "know" a lot of the state law? I have followed the paced program rather closely but did not move to flash cards until very recently (which I now feel is more effective). I know everything generally, but nothing really well. This method of looking at some topics once every 2-3 weeks is not helping me at all. I have scored well on the mbe, but everything else seems to leave my brain w/in two days of review.

Yeah no one i know knows the state law or is trying to learn it. It's such minute distinctions most of the time and it fucks with your reasoning for MBE questions. Not sure it's entirely worth it trying to learn it at this point.

for a 60% state law essay state it's pretty much not an option


i am with both of you on not knowing it yet though

[The Egyptian]

Does anybody else feel like they don't "know" a lot of the state law? I have followed the paced program rather closely but did not move to flash cards until very recently (which I now feel is more effective). I know everything generally, but nothing really well. This method of looking at some topics once every 2-3 weeks is not helping me at all. I have scored well on the mbe, but everything else seems to leave my brain w/in two days of review.

Yeah no one i know knows the state law or is trying to learn it. It's such minute distinctions most of the time and it fucks with your reasoning for MBE questions. Not sure it's entirely worth it trying to learn it at this point.

for a 60% state law essay state it's pretty much not an option


i am with both of you on not knowing it yet though

It will be cool if you can add a couple of words about each distinction in a different color in your outline. It's good for essay. Especially for criminal law depending on your Jurisdiction

I am still struggling with timing. If anybody have a useful tip, please share.

[jd20132013]

i mean, screw a distinction I have 20+ subjects i'm responsible for. i can bullshit the MBE subjects fine lol

[Flips88]

i mean, screw a distinction I have 20+ subjects i'm responsible for. i can bullshit the MBE subjects fine lol

Yeah. The only subject I plan to study hard for on state law is civ pro because there's almost always a state civ pro one.

Torts I can throw in some random shit but nothing substantive.

Crim I only can remember a couple and its' because they're dumb like solicitation and conspiracy don't merge in IL.

[jd20132013]

this sucks

can't sleep lately. but tired during day. get in bed and lie awake for hours.

anyone else figured out how to deal with this

[Georgia Avenue]

xanax

[aquasalad]

doxylamine succinate

[The Egyptian]

doxylamine succinate

Voluntary Intoxication

[LAWYER2]

My head hurts and i've been nauseous all evening. Still have 33 more MBE's to do before bed though, but as of now I'm taking a break to watch Suits.

[Law-So-Hard]

My head hurts and i've been nauseous all evening. Still have 33 more MBE's to do before bed though, but as of now I'm taking a break to watch Suits.

I am feeling sooooooooooo panicked by all the work I will not be able to do before the bar and wondering if I will ever be really ready, and really sad that I didn't have the same level of productivity from the very start. Then the panic makes me un-productive.... cycle continues

[Law-So-Hard]

"...the house suffered from a seasonal infestation of bats, which urinated and defecated on the deck."

[Flips88]

Lol i did one where a guy mounted a flatscreen tv on the ceiling about his bed and "The next night, a woman who was the man’s overnight guest was seriously injured when the television came loose and fell on the bed."

[Georgia Avenue]

Lol i did one where a guy mounted a flatscreen tv on the ceiling about his bed and "The next night, a woman who was the man’s overnight guest was seriously injured when the television came loose and fell on the bed."

I read this as "overweight guest." Spices up the hypo a bit.

[Law-So-Hard]

Lol i did one where a guy mounted a flatscreen tv on the ceiling about his bed and "The next night, a woman who was the man’s overnight guest was seriously injured when the television came loose and fell on the bed."

I remember cringing as I got a few lines down and realized the guy seriously bolted the TV to his ceiling

[Law-So-Hard]

Just read through In Re Black PT. It's a professional responsibility issue. I thought it was around moderate difficulty. I'm not really writing them all out or even fully outlining just reading through the materials and forming a bare bones response so I can understand what they're asking me.

Was hoping it would help me brush on on Prof Resp but it's already hard enough keeping ABA/CA rules straight without adding Columbia law to the mix

[lmr]

On the REAL mbe false pretenses is NEVER the answer-BARBRI cost me two questions over the course of two OPE sets bc I applied their dumb logic as to what title to property was. As far as NCBE is concerned title is more in your face than barbri led me to believe.

[Georgia Avenue]

We've heard the CW that Barbri MC's are harder than the real MBE. How about the essays? The specificity of some of these essays for Corporations is killing me. 5 paragraphs on proxies and record date owners? GTFO

[jd20132013]

We've heard the CW that Barbri MC's are harder than the real MBE. How about the essays? The specificity of some of these essays for Corporations is killing me. 5 paragraphs on proxies and record date owners? GTFO

prob depends on state as to how much harder, but i think they're drafted by Barbri people sitting in a room somewhere with no time limit so...yeah.

SN: I swear I have no idea if i'm even doing the right thing with learning the state stuff. I don't know what to do to be frank. trying to do extra essays above those assigned--doing rough outlines and then reading the model answer and putting the key rules into flashcards.

[peanut123]

I am still struggling with timing. If anybody have a useful tip, please share.

I'm not sure if you've posted about this earlier with things you've tried (so I'm sorry if this is redundant) but the SFE lecturer has this tip that she keeps going on about in each of the videos I've seen her do. She suggests using a piece of scratch paper and making two columns - one for "I kind of know and selected an answer, but I want to come back" and one for "I have no freaking idea/the question is too long/I skipped it."

Basically, as you're taking the test, if it's a really long fact pattern just by glancing, the call of the question sounds totally unfamiliar to you, etc., she says just bubble in a random choice and put it in your second column. Don't bother reading it or thinking about it. Then move forward. The idea is to just totally skip the ones that look ugly, and come back if you can (which you should be able to, she says).

Other than that, are you reading the call of the question first? That helps focus your reading of the facts, but you have to be careful not to let it trick you into making up your mind. I think the best thing is to just keep practicing. Aim for 17 in 30 mins if you don't want to do a bigger set and set a timer that'll give you a 5-minute warning.