2018 July California Bar Forum

[cherrytee]

Prediction:

K: Hit all issues but a bit messy. The back and forth between arguments for and against repudiation and the timeline of it was messy. Could have been much cleaner.

CE: Hit all issues.

PR: Might have missed the biggest issue: the potential conflict of representing co-defendants in a criminal case. Not sure anymore. I definitely talked about conflict of interest. But if it wasn't about Lou representing co-defendants, I'm not sure what I wrote about. Probably the second line item in the retainer agreement, in the hypothetical. Again, not sure.

CP: Hit all issues.

Con: Missed Contract Clause and Equal Protection completely.

PT: Didn't have time to fully flush out the second argument. When I had 5 minutes left, I copy and pasted much of the first argument (that was relevant for the second argument) into the second and changed some names, and made 1-2 sentences of new analysis for the second argument with no citations to specific text. No conclusion. Definitely should have written PT first. An extra 5 minutes would have been the difference. And 5 fewer minutes for the Con essay wouldn't have changed anything.

MBE: Guessed on 67 problems, like I usually do for practice.

I predict:

K: 60-65 (I assume 65)
CE: 65
PR: 55-65 (I assume 60)
CP: 65
Con: 55
PT: 55
(no way I got any 70's)
MBE: 124~5/175

=1419 (based on July 2017 calculator)

Time to hit the books! Just posting here as a timestamped reference for when I actually get my results back. And see if I predicted right. Any one got advice on how to prep for FEB 2019? Is it just the same, but more practice?

Good luck on Friday results! I know I'll need it.

[estefanchanning]

Prediction:

K: Hit all issues but a bit messy. The back and forth between arguments for and against repudiation and the timeline of it was messy. Could have been much cleaner.

CE: Hit all issues.

PR: Might have missed the biggest issue: the potential conflict of representing co-defendants in a criminal case. Not sure anymore. I definitely talked about conflict of interest. But if it wasn't about Lou representing co-defendants, I'm not sure what I wrote about. Probably the second line item in the retainer agreement, in the hypothetical. Again, not sure.

CP: Hit all issues.

Con: Missed Contract Clause and Equal Protection completely.

PT: Didn't have time to fully flush out the second argument. When I had 5 minutes left, I copy and pasted much of the first argument (that was relevant for the second argument) into the second and changed some names, and made 1-2 sentences of new analysis for the second argument with no citations to specific text. No conclusion. Definitely should have written PT first. An extra 5 minutes would have been the difference. And 5 fewer minutes for the Con essay wouldn't have changed anything.

MBE: Guessed on 67 problems, like I usually do for practice.

I predict:

K: 60-65 (I assume 65)
CE: 65
PR: 55-65 (I assume 60)
CP: 65
Con: 55
PT: 55
(no way I got any 70's)
MBE: 124~5/175

=1419 (based on July 2017 calculator)

Time to hit the books! Just posting here as a timestamped reference for when I actually get my results back. And see if I predicted right. Any one got advice on how to prep for FEB 2019? Is it just the same, but more practice?

Good luck on Friday results! I know I'll need it.

I missed the writing requirement for adequated assurances in contacts. I must've gotten a 0.

[MBernard]

Prediction:
Time to hit the books! Just posting here as a timestamped reference for when I actually get my results back. And see if I predicted right. Any one got advice on how to prep for FEB 2019? Is it just the same, but more practice?

Good luck on Friday results! I know I'll need it.

I missed the writing requirement for adequated assurances in contacts. I must've gotten a 0.

Lmao, I detect sarcasm. Seems like everyone is trying to snatch the baton away from the last person holding it in order to lead the parade of horribles. Not saying that the CBX isn't a difficult test but my prediction is that the bark might be worse than the test's bite (assuming you studied diligently and received good marks during mock tests). God Bless, hope all the practice pays off. I'll be around Friday Evening to check-in once results drop.

[JohnnieSockran]

Just my $0.02, but at this point with results 2 days away it seems fruitless to think about your answers and how you might've done. Just try to get some mental headspace, relax and take your mind off of this exam until Friday night.

[a male human]

Just my $0.02, but at this point with results 2 days away it seems fruitless to think about your answers and how you might've done. Just try to get some mental headspace, relax and take your mind off of this exam until Friday night.

I agree in principle, but it's easier said than done in these last couple weeks for the poor souls who had to wait almost 4 months for their results

[mathandthelaw]

I've gotten to the point where I'm like: I know I missed some issues. I know I got a few analyses wrong. I know I messed up a few rule statements. I didn't have time to write a conclusion for my PT, although I think I did include enough substantive content. For the multiple choice, I felt like I was more focused on solving the problem. The MBE required knowing what rule was being tested, but also reading the answer choices carefully, making sure I picked the best answer. Knowing the rule was not enough. The facts were super important, and being able to apply those facts to the rule in layman's terms was challenging to me. It made me feel unsure about myself on the MBE when answering questions, I just hope I got enough correct.

My feeling is I really don't know whether I passed. My bar calculator prediction says that I passed (1-60, 2-65, 3-65, 4-55/60, 5-65, PT-65/70, MBE-130). I hope I did. I hope that in the moment, even though I missed some things, that I was able to do just enough to pass.

Best of luck to all of you. I hope we all make it. People on here seem pretty intelligent/well-prepared and most of you probably passed, but just know that despite what they say about re-takers having a statistically less chance of passing, it is much easier to take it again. You've been through it already and you can conquer it.

[Shirosham]

A friend told me that when he had checked the Admission Status page (https://sbc.calbar.ca.gov/), the Wed/Thurs before results released, he noticed that his "Not on Motion" had changed to "On Motion."

Anyone know if this might be a legit way to try and see about results? Anyone "On Motion?"

[mellymel1122]

A friend told me that when he had checked the Admission Status page (https://sbc.calbar.ca.gov/), the Wed/Thurs before results released, he noticed that his "Not on Motion" had changed to "On Motion."

Anyone know if this might be a legit way to try and see about results? Anyone "On Motion?"

If it is, I am screwed b/c mine still says "Not on Motion." Ugh!

[Shirosham]

A friend told me that when he had checked the Admission Status page (https://sbc.calbar.ca.gov/), the Wed/Thurs before results released, he noticed that his "Not on Motion" had changed to "On Motion."

Anyone know if this might be a legit way to try and see about results? Anyone "On Motion?"

If it is, I am screwed b/c mine still says "Not on Motion." Ugh!

Same boat.

Honestly, I don't think CA bar examiners would miss something like this, or at the very least this would be well-known... but my currently anxiety ridden mind is freaking me out.

[a male human]

There's no known way to tell whether you passed or not until Friday. Yes, people have tried to correlate all sorts of stuff, like whether you can sign up for the next bar, what the admissions page says, etc. I wouldn't worry about the status page.

[JohnnieSockran]

There's no known way to tell whether you passed or not until Friday. Yes, people have tried to correlate all sorts of stuff, like whether you can sign up for the next bar, what the admissions page says, etc. I wouldn't worry about the status page.

That was my understanding as well back when I took it. But being "on motion" was never something I had heard about prior to result, and if that person is telling the truth, it seems to suggest that you're ready to be licensed. Though it's possible that only his account glitched, because my status was still "Not on motion" until minutes before results were released. Not sure how quickly after that it changed to on motion.

[bacillusanthracis]

Any one got advice on how to prep for FEB 2019? Is it just the same, but more practice?

That may depend on what your results say. For example, if you did Barbri, and worked that program with everything you had, but failed, then maybe a different program would be better. Also, did Barbri/Themis/Whomever fulfill their obligations in terms of giving you helpful feedback on your essays? If not, then a program where you get personal feedback could be crucial.

Or one could pass the written, but fall short on the MBE.

As for the February exam itself, well, my experience was that February '18 contained a nasty set of essays. Much tougher than this past July. It was an exam where knowing everything was required. One of the exams combined torts, con law, and real property. The bar just called the exam "real property" and didn't acknowledged it as much more of a triple crossover. Combine that with the contracts/PR crossover, and last February actually tested 8 subjects. So if you do have to retake it, don't look back on last February or even this past July as a kind of predictor, and for sure don't pay attention to the "professional" predictors. They got their asses handed to them last February (as did 78% of the people who took the test). Anything can be on that exam.

The only advantage for February is that you have an extra 3 weeks to prepare. I wouldn't suggest procrastinating and waiting for your chosen program to start, if you do choose to do a program.

[What'sUP?]

@math “I've gotten to the point where I'm like: I know I missed some issues. I know I got a few analyses wrong. I know I messed up a few rule statements . . . For the multiple choice, I felt like I was more focused on solving the problem. I just hope I got enough correct.” Agree entirely.

AND

“Honestly, I don't think CA bar examiners would miss something like this, or at the very least this would be well-known... but my currently anxiety ridden mind is freaking me out.” Ditto.

[mathandthelaw]

No I'm not checking that. I don't want to think I failed by checking and then see "Not on motion." What if it's not accurate? Then I freaked out for nothing. I'm already freaking out as it is. Maybe they haven't finished updating each person. We just don't know exactly what is done internally.

[MBernard]

The “status page rumor” is one of the more pervasive rumors that is discussed in numerous jurisdictions; that along with the rumor that if your C&F is approved early you passed. I know this because users were literally discussing the same thing last Feb in the 2018 TX bar thread.

Both are completely bogus. If you don’t believe me there are also CA posters who similarly repudiate this rumor. To echo amalehuman, the only way to know is to wait until tomorrow evening.

[Atmosphere]

Do we get an email first? Or do we just check the passlist tomorrow?

[a male human]

Do we get an email first? Or do we just check the passlist tomorrow?

You'll have to check the pass list yourself. The thread will fill up with a crowd as 6 PM approaches tomorrow. I have something to go to from 6 to 9 tomorrow, but I'll be on my phone congratulating and commiserating as much as I can!

[chicoalto0649]

No I'm not checking that. I don't want to think I failed by checking and then see "Not on motion." What if it's not accurate? Then I freaked out for nothing. I'm already freaking out as it is. Maybe they haven't finished updating each person. We just don't know exactly what is done internally.

Here's something that will legit blow your mind: the ca bar already made the motion with everyone on the pass list who fulfilled all their other requirements. In other words, if you pass, you'll see on your status page "on motion dated 11/XX/2018" with a date that's this Wednesday or Thursday. When I passed, the date results came out was on the 18th but the motion was made a few days earlier. Good luck to you!

[CALTEX]

No I'm not checking that. I don't want to think I failed by checking and then see "Not on motion." What if it's not accurate? Then I freaked out for nothing. I'm already freaking out as it is. Maybe they haven't finished updating each person. We just don't know exactly what is done internally.

Here's something that will legit blow your mind: the ca bar already made the motion with everyone on the pass list who fulfilled all their other requirements. In other words, if you pass, you'll see on your status page "on motion dated 11/XX/2018" with a date that's this Wednesday or Thursday. When I passed, the date results came out was on the 18th but the motion was made a few days earlier. Good luck to you!

My status page does not state the "on motion" language. Last week my moral fitness application was approved. And tomorrow is the day we find out if we passed. Does this mean I did not pass?

[brorepresentation1]

mine does not say any "on motion" language and I fulfilled all requirements.

[barprepforca]

I too fulfilled all other requirements but do not have on motion language.

[xonimi]

Oh God please let this not be true. I met all my requirements too and it says "not on motion." If people have actually found out this way in the past then I hope the reason it says "not on motion" is because the Bar realized what's happening and chose not to update that info this time around.

[xonimi]

Oh God please let this not be true. I met all my requirements too and it says "not on motion." If people have actually found out this way in the past then I hope the reason it says "not on motion" is because the Bar realized what's happening and chose not to update that info this time around.

Now that I think about it, "on motion dated 11/XX/2018" does not necessarily mean that's the date they updated the info on your page. The motion could be dated earlier but they would not show that information on the site until after 6pm tomorrow.

[CALTEX]

Oh God please let this not be true. I met all my requirements too and it says "not on motion." If people have actually found out this way in the past then I hope the reason it says "not on motion" is because the Bar realized what's happening and chose not to update that info this time around.

Now that I think about it, "on motion dated 11/XX/2018" does not necessarily mean that's the date they updated the info on your page. The motion could be dated earlier but they would not show that information on the site until after 6pm tomorrow.

Thank you xonimi for the clarification! There is hope!

[mathandthelaw]

Oh God please let this not be true. I met all my requirements too and it says "not on motion." If people have actually found out this way in the past then I hope the reason it says "not on motion" is because the Bar realized what's happening and chose not to update that info this time around.

Now that I think about it, "on motion dated 11/XX/2018" does not necessarily mean that's the date they updated the info on your page. The motion could be dated earlier but they would not show that information on the site until after 6pm tomorrow.

That's exactly the point I was making. We do not know for sure whether every single person who passed is in fact updated. Like HOW do you know for sure? Do you work for the California Bar? I just read like 4 of you in a row say you are not on motion. You mean to tell me this means all 4 of you did not pass? I find it highly unlikely personally.

If any of the people who stated here that they were Not on Motion ended up passing tomorrow, then we can completely disregard the hypothesis.