Following up on the above post, I received my score in the mail today. Passed with total 697 score and 133.1 on the MBE. My essays must have been good along with the MPT and civil portion of the P&E. Glad that is done and over with!Kiwi3891 wrote:Passed in Texas. I don't have my scores because the online system somehow doesn't have my documents. I will post scores once I get them.
But my Kaplan midterm was 99/200 (HORRIBLE) and final wasn't much better at 102. So I'm VERY CURIOUS to see what my MBE and final score looked like. I thought the MPT was good...just some formatting and spell check I couldn't get to. TX civil was good but crim pro felt terrible. THe MBE I felt murdered by. I had a string of 6-7 D's and I had a lot of B's and D's overall. For the essays, I missed a subpart completely for the intestacy question, knew mechanic's lien for property but bs'd the workings of it. All I can say is that I must have done a lot better on the essays because I can't imagine my MBE to be my saving grace.
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Passed in TX!! I took Barbri and I studied 8 hours everyday. I got a 127 on the PT. I didn't take the refresher test; at that point, I was focused on the essays. I got a 158.2 on the MBE.
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Also passed TX. Used Themis, finished about 90-92% of it. Did 1800 or so MBE questions, still thought test day was awful. Passed with way too high a total score and a 162.1 scaled MBE.
Congrats to everyone who passed!
Congrats to everyone who passed!
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JimmyBee
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Having been out of law school for so long, I never checked or participated in this forum before because I never realized they existed—or took the time to find out. However, I thought I'd also pay it forward, as someone said earlier, by telling you my experience, which is unique (but whose isn't), but you might be able to draw some lessons from it to apply to your next go-round.
I graduated from Harvard Law back in 1991. I just turned 50, and am going through a career transition (not a euphemism for involuntary unemployment) and thought I'd finally take the Bar. I never took it before. While I was in Law School, I started a successful business, and then jumped into a career, started a family, etc. Only now did I take the time to carve out the 8 weeks, 12 hour days it really takes to pass this thing.
I say all of this because I had really forgotten how to study. I am the Michael Jordan of cramming, which is nothing to be proud of, but I was able to do well in school (high school, Brown, HLS) without the diligence and the absorption of massive amounts of detailed, nuanced information required to pass the Bar. I took the Bar partly to challenge myself, but also whether or not I continue to do social justice work, private sector work or a mix (most likely), being able to walk into a courtroom as an attorney would be good to have in my arsenal.
I took Themis. I really liked Themis, but really have no way to compare to the others. I was the only person I knew who was taking the Bar. The only other person I knew who took a recent Bar passed the July 2014 right out of school and recommended Themis. I felt like I got a lot of personal, human contact—calls, emails, etc. I thought their materials were great, and the structure of the class was based on a science of learning (small chunks, frequent interaction, mixing up tasks, doing it at my own pace, etc) that works for me.
I took the February 2015 New York Bar and failed. I had a family emergency three weeks out and just stopped studying. The Themis people wondered why I disappeared and then started experiencing declining scores on the MBE practice tests and then skipping the rest of the practice essays. I forget (and can't find) my scores, but I was not that far off from passing. However, what nailed me is that I just didn't know the law. At the end, I was just running my eyes over the prepared outlines, had not prepared my own, and really had not figured out what worked for me in terms of memorization. I sat for the test anyway because I had already paid for it. Nothing wrong with Themis. In fact, my takeaway was that I should have trusted their system.
I was also really psyching myself out because of the anxiety of having spent almost 25 years with the phrase "I went to HLS, but never took the Bar." I was convinced I couldn't pass, so that first time, even though I was not prepared, was important to demystify the test. In fact, I realized that it felt very doable, and that there was lots of stuff I knew I could have known but didn't study in the right way. Speaking of human contact at Themis, I got a great email from one of my counselors speaking directly to my fears based on her knowledge of my specific situation.
I went ahead and decided to take the July 2015 Bar. Themis allows a do-over at no charge. Unlike in February, I stopped working so I could really put the time in. I just passed with a 137.6 MBE, so what I'm learning from these forums is that my essays must have been killer. If they had not, I would have been particularly bummed as I am a professional writer and editor, among other things. Admittedly, the ball did bounce my way—I reviewed the Admin Law essays that Themis provided, realized that they were all about Article 78's, and had real world experience filing an Article 78 myself. I was testing between 65-70% raw scores on the MBE assessments at the end, which lines up with my final score, but since it's weighted, it seems like I didn't hit those raw numbers on the actual exam.
OK this is getting too long, but here's the study part.
At first, I tried cards. I got free card catalog cards from the public library since they were throwing them away anyway. Didn't work for me. I wrote my own outlines. I finished 100% of the course only because I had already viewed the lectures and filled in the notes, so I was able to spend my time while re-watching the lectures (very helpful) writing my own outlines, and I found the Themis final outlines very helpful. However, I found myself just running my eyes over the material.
Here's what made the difference. I have a friend who was basically home-bound because of an illness, and needed a distraction. I went over to her place everyday for the last three weeks, and taught her the law. Yes, I actually lectured my way through each subject at least once. I found out I best learn through talking things through and the interaction involved.
I can't speak to waiting for the UBE because I don't even know about it. I do feel like you need to get back on the horse right away, but if the UBE works better strategically more you—more flexibility in where to take it, more states admitted to—it sounds like the move to me.
However, psychologically it was so much easier for me to keep the momentum going and not have this thing hanging over my head for any more time than necessary. Those books and notes were sitting in the corner for almost a year as it is. Another year looking at those boxes sitting in the corner like the tell-tale heart would have just been intolerable.
Plus, you're already three-quarters (at least) prepared for this particular test. Go ahead and retake this version of the Bar in February. You'll feel better being pro-active than sitting around for an additional six months mulling over not passing (don't call it a personal failure because this thing is hard). You'll probably pass, and then it's over. If for some reason you don't, then take the "easier" test next July. I don't think the choice is mutually exclusive, except of course for the cost—no small thing in my case so I'm not dismissing it—but I can tell y'all really want this thing.
So I guess I'm saying take the February Bar. Give yourself a couple or three weeks off, and then go back into it with a full schedule. And those final three weeks of putting it all together 12 hours a day were crucial for me. Think about finding a willing, motivated, interested and smart (not necessarily formally educated) person to whom to teach the law. The verbal thing will work. Teaching is the best way to learn.
And if you have to pay for a Bar service again, take Themis. You get a do-over in case you don't pass in February, and I really was happy with their program. Please believe me: if I can pass, you can pass.
RE MPT: For me, it was useful to practice, even though I initially didn't think it was necessary. The key was time management, and I liked the Themis approach. I had a really hard time with the six MPTs I did—time management, picking out the issues, format. Walking into the Javits Center, I still didn't really feel confident about the MPT at all, although reading the model answers and seeing the range of possible formats helped tremendously. However, the fact that the format on the test was a letter to a client who was a friend of the partner was right up my alley, so the ball bounced my way.
Don't beat yourself up if you didn't pass this time. This thing is hard. Once the initial sting is gone, you'll realize that no one will care (or has to know) that it took taking it twice for you. What do they call a lawyer who took multiple times to pass the Bar? A lawyer.[/quote]
I graduated from Harvard Law back in 1991. I just turned 50, and am going through a career transition (not a euphemism for involuntary unemployment) and thought I'd finally take the Bar. I never took it before. While I was in Law School, I started a successful business, and then jumped into a career, started a family, etc. Only now did I take the time to carve out the 8 weeks, 12 hour days it really takes to pass this thing.
I say all of this because I had really forgotten how to study. I am the Michael Jordan of cramming, which is nothing to be proud of, but I was able to do well in school (high school, Brown, HLS) without the diligence and the absorption of massive amounts of detailed, nuanced information required to pass the Bar. I took the Bar partly to challenge myself, but also whether or not I continue to do social justice work, private sector work or a mix (most likely), being able to walk into a courtroom as an attorney would be good to have in my arsenal.
I took Themis. I really liked Themis, but really have no way to compare to the others. I was the only person I knew who was taking the Bar. The only other person I knew who took a recent Bar passed the July 2014 right out of school and recommended Themis. I felt like I got a lot of personal, human contact—calls, emails, etc. I thought their materials were great, and the structure of the class was based on a science of learning (small chunks, frequent interaction, mixing up tasks, doing it at my own pace, etc) that works for me.
I took the February 2015 New York Bar and failed. I had a family emergency three weeks out and just stopped studying. The Themis people wondered why I disappeared and then started experiencing declining scores on the MBE practice tests and then skipping the rest of the practice essays. I forget (and can't find) my scores, but I was not that far off from passing. However, what nailed me is that I just didn't know the law. At the end, I was just running my eyes over the prepared outlines, had not prepared my own, and really had not figured out what worked for me in terms of memorization. I sat for the test anyway because I had already paid for it. Nothing wrong with Themis. In fact, my takeaway was that I should have trusted their system.
I was also really psyching myself out because of the anxiety of having spent almost 25 years with the phrase "I went to HLS, but never took the Bar." I was convinced I couldn't pass, so that first time, even though I was not prepared, was important to demystify the test. In fact, I realized that it felt very doable, and that there was lots of stuff I knew I could have known but didn't study in the right way. Speaking of human contact at Themis, I got a great email from one of my counselors speaking directly to my fears based on her knowledge of my specific situation.
I went ahead and decided to take the July 2015 Bar. Themis allows a do-over at no charge. Unlike in February, I stopped working so I could really put the time in. I just passed with a 137.6 MBE, so what I'm learning from these forums is that my essays must have been killer. If they had not, I would have been particularly bummed as I am a professional writer and editor, among other things. Admittedly, the ball did bounce my way—I reviewed the Admin Law essays that Themis provided, realized that they were all about Article 78's, and had real world experience filing an Article 78 myself. I was testing between 65-70% raw scores on the MBE assessments at the end, which lines up with my final score, but since it's weighted, it seems like I didn't hit those raw numbers on the actual exam.
OK this is getting too long, but here's the study part.
At first, I tried cards. I got free card catalog cards from the public library since they were throwing them away anyway. Didn't work for me. I wrote my own outlines. I finished 100% of the course only because I had already viewed the lectures and filled in the notes, so I was able to spend my time while re-watching the lectures (very helpful) writing my own outlines, and I found the Themis final outlines very helpful. However, I found myself just running my eyes over the material.
Here's what made the difference. I have a friend who was basically home-bound because of an illness, and needed a distraction. I went over to her place everyday for the last three weeks, and taught her the law. Yes, I actually lectured my way through each subject at least once. I found out I best learn through talking things through and the interaction involved.
I can't speak to waiting for the UBE because I don't even know about it. I do feel like you need to get back on the horse right away, but if the UBE works better strategically more you—more flexibility in where to take it, more states admitted to—it sounds like the move to me.
However, psychologically it was so much easier for me to keep the momentum going and not have this thing hanging over my head for any more time than necessary. Those books and notes were sitting in the corner for almost a year as it is. Another year looking at those boxes sitting in the corner like the tell-tale heart would have just been intolerable.
Plus, you're already three-quarters (at least) prepared for this particular test. Go ahead and retake this version of the Bar in February. You'll feel better being pro-active than sitting around for an additional six months mulling over not passing (don't call it a personal failure because this thing is hard). You'll probably pass, and then it's over. If for some reason you don't, then take the "easier" test next July. I don't think the choice is mutually exclusive, except of course for the cost—no small thing in my case so I'm not dismissing it—but I can tell y'all really want this thing.
So I guess I'm saying take the February Bar. Give yourself a couple or three weeks off, and then go back into it with a full schedule. And those final three weeks of putting it all together 12 hours a day were crucial for me. Think about finding a willing, motivated, interested and smart (not necessarily formally educated) person to whom to teach the law. The verbal thing will work. Teaching is the best way to learn.
And if you have to pay for a Bar service again, take Themis. You get a do-over in case you don't pass in February, and I really was happy with their program. Please believe me: if I can pass, you can pass.
RE MPT: For me, it was useful to practice, even though I initially didn't think it was necessary. The key was time management, and I liked the Themis approach. I had a really hard time with the six MPTs I did—time management, picking out the issues, format. Walking into the Javits Center, I still didn't really feel confident about the MPT at all, although reading the model answers and seeing the range of possible formats helped tremendously. However, the fact that the format on the test was a letter to a client who was a friend of the partner was right up my alley, so the ball bounced my way.
Don't beat yourself up if you didn't pass this time. This thing is hard. Once the initial sting is gone, you'll realize that no one will care (or has to know) that it took taking it twice for you. What do they call a lawyer who took multiple times to pass the Bar? A lawyer.[/quote]
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NYKfanAIesq
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Passed MD with a scaled 127! I must have killed it on the essays... 
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i passed Texas. did about half of barbri online, married with kids and full time work. got a 150 mbe. I watched all of the lectures, but focused on mbe questions and explanations in july.
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jwe-houston
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Passed TX, Final score of 730. MBE scaled score 150.
Barbri mid- 133 raw. Didn't do the full-day final, but did the refresher.
Completed about 75-80% of the material (what ever the minimum requirement for free retake on failure). Mostly kept pace with assignments. Can't remember # of MBE questions answered, but high triple digits-low quad digits.
Materials used: Like I said, mostly kept pace with Barbri posted schedule. Took lecture, ported it into OneNote (copy/paste from their blank PDFs), filled in from my notes. Didn't really use the Conviser after 3rd or 4th lecture. About that time, started watching lecture from home instead of live at 1.75x speed.
MBE: Did MBEs on paper/electronic until they started getting stoopid (distinctions without difference) and rage quit online a couple of times.
Watched videos after midterm -> old man was gold material. flashcards: Quizlet.com with ipad/iphone app. Lots of good stuff for TX already online. Minor updates for new law.
MPT: almost completely ignored. Did maybe 1/week last 4 weeks. Tried to at least read through 1 of each kind. Don't forget the "non-law" answer.
Texas portion
Texasbarflash.com for summary - Caution! not well updated.
Essays: Did timed essays on all subjects through barbri. Started out just answering and seeing how long it takes to answer the essay, and comparing my answer with the key (working oldest first). Working my way up to newer material (hop-scotch 3-4 essays at a time if a lot), giving myself 30 minutes per each, then self-grade. Points where my answer matches key (hilite green), change font to red where mis-state law/analysis, font green where correct statement of law relevant but not in key (maybe bonus points). Toward last weeks, would work up to sets of 3/4/6 essays at a time.
TX civ/crim pro: Took the TX crim pro and civ pro lecture -> gold material. Much like essay regimine. Got to a point where I took the TX civ pro lecture, copied to new OneNote sheet, arranged by frequency appeared on the bar, generated canned answers based on that. Similar for Crim pro.
Barbri mid- 133 raw. Didn't do the full-day final, but did the refresher.
Completed about 75-80% of the material (what ever the minimum requirement for free retake on failure). Mostly kept pace with assignments. Can't remember # of MBE questions answered, but high triple digits-low quad digits.
Materials used: Like I said, mostly kept pace with Barbri posted schedule. Took lecture, ported it into OneNote (copy/paste from their blank PDFs), filled in from my notes. Didn't really use the Conviser after 3rd or 4th lecture. About that time, started watching lecture from home instead of live at 1.75x speed.
MBE: Did MBEs on paper/electronic until they started getting stoopid (distinctions without difference) and rage quit online a couple of times.
Watched videos after midterm -> old man was gold material. flashcards: Quizlet.com with ipad/iphone app. Lots of good stuff for TX already online. Minor updates for new law.
MPT: almost completely ignored. Did maybe 1/week last 4 weeks. Tried to at least read through 1 of each kind. Don't forget the "non-law" answer.
Texas portion
Texasbarflash.com for summary - Caution! not well updated.
Essays: Did timed essays on all subjects through barbri. Started out just answering and seeing how long it takes to answer the essay, and comparing my answer with the key (working oldest first). Working my way up to newer material (hop-scotch 3-4 essays at a time if a lot), giving myself 30 minutes per each, then self-grade. Points where my answer matches key (hilite green), change font to red where mis-state law/analysis, font green where correct statement of law relevant but not in key (maybe bonus points). Toward last weeks, would work up to sets of 3/4/6 essays at a time.
TX civ/crim pro: Took the TX crim pro and civ pro lecture -> gold material. Much like essay regimine. Got to a point where I took the TX civ pro lecture, copied to new OneNote sheet, arranged by frequency appeared on the bar, generated canned answers based on that. Similar for Crim pro.
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crimedogmcgriff
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Passed MD. Barbri -- completed around 70%; 127 midterm; 55 refresher; 159 scaled.
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*Big update (172 Reporters): https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/ ... edit#gid=0
Congrats to everyone in TX, NJ, MD, etc., with good news (and thanks for sharing)! To those that didn't pass, do not despair. Many people reporting having passed have failed prior Bar exams. It can be done, and all is not lost for retakers. If I fail, I'll be right back up on the horse with you getting ready for February!
And, to everyone waiting in CA: 11 days left!!! Since CA is the last state to release data, I will not be updating to include CA MBE scores. Hopefully this thread has been as much of a stress reliever for you as it has been for me. So, thanks to everyone who has contributed, and here's hoping us CA takers get some good news next week. And, if any of you happen to be in the Bay Area (particularly Sonoma County), feel free to PM me. I'll be around and hopefully practicing
Lastly, if anyone would like to carry on the spreadsheet for future takers, feel free to contact me about editing privileges.
Congrats to everyone in TX, NJ, MD, etc., with good news (and thanks for sharing)! To those that didn't pass, do not despair. Many people reporting having passed have failed prior Bar exams. It can be done, and all is not lost for retakers. If I fail, I'll be right back up on the horse with you getting ready for February!
And, to everyone waiting in CA: 11 days left!!! Since CA is the last state to release data, I will not be updating to include CA MBE scores. Hopefully this thread has been as much of a stress reliever for you as it has been for me. So, thanks to everyone who has contributed, and here's hoping us CA takers get some good news next week. And, if any of you happen to be in the Bay Area (particularly Sonoma County), feel free to PM me. I'll be around and hopefully practicing
Lastly, if anyone would like to carry on the spreadsheet for future takers, feel free to contact me about editing privileges.
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Passed in Maryland -- first timer! Took Themis, completed just over 90% of course, and scored a 141 on the MBE. I think I had around 115 on the midterm.... and I was averaging around 65% on MBE practice tests toward the end... so let it be said that I am very happily surprised 
I thought the actual test day MBE was insurmountably difficult, nothing like the practice tests, and I was convinced that there was no way I could have passed it.
Thanks everyone - this thread and TLS as a whole has been insanely helpful.
I thought the actual test day MBE was insurmountably difficult, nothing like the practice tests, and I was convinced that there was no way I could have passed it.
Thanks everyone - this thread and TLS as a whole has been insanely helpful.
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daveaa
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157 scaled in MD. I was getting 70%+ on themis by the end of prep. I felt HORRIBLE about it leaving the testing site.
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Backpacker
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Passed MD. Barbri, 145 mid term, 68 Refresher, 75% on Mixed practice sets. Probably averaged the lower end of 6 hours a day, 5/6 days a week. 154 MBE. Felt OK about it after, but obv according to Barbri under performed (less motivation after the high midterm?).
Good luck Feb '16!
Good luck Feb '16!
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Stevoman
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Passed TX, 153.3. Used barbri, here was my general study strategy:
MBE: Focused way too much on this up to the simulated MBE. Got a raw 135 on Barbri simulated MBE, didn't do the refresher or focus on MBE much afterwards, as I was very far behind on the state essay materials. The MBE is only 40% of the Texas exam, so spend your time accordingly.
MPT: Almost completely blew off. I watched the MPT lecture, did the MPT assigned in the lecture and in the simulated half-day TX exam, and spent about half a day looking at and outlining answers for old questions.
State/Procedure/Evidence: I neglected these badly up until about 3 weeks before game time. In those last 3 weeks I did a ton of old bar exam questions. I was scraping the barrel by the end; I started in whatever the most recent year was in Barbri's TX book (2013?) and went back to like 1995. I watched all the lectures but did not outline much or memorize flashcards. My outlines were about 2-3 pages long each, and stylized as "look for these issues." Most of the Texas questions are recycled, so I just did a ton of old questions and started seeing common patterns for issues. I think my strategy worked, as on game day I knew almost all of the P/E cold, and knew 10 of the 12 essays cold. The only essay questions I missed were ones everyone else missed too.
Hope that helps someone! Law students: The best advice I can give to you right now is to take Evidence in law school, and take Con. Law seriously (learn it, don't just ride that curve to a B). Your MBE studying will be a lot easier in 2 years if you do this.
MBE: Focused way too much on this up to the simulated MBE. Got a raw 135 on Barbri simulated MBE, didn't do the refresher or focus on MBE much afterwards, as I was very far behind on the state essay materials. The MBE is only 40% of the Texas exam, so spend your time accordingly.
MPT: Almost completely blew off. I watched the MPT lecture, did the MPT assigned in the lecture and in the simulated half-day TX exam, and spent about half a day looking at and outlining answers for old questions.
State/Procedure/Evidence: I neglected these badly up until about 3 weeks before game time. In those last 3 weeks I did a ton of old bar exam questions. I was scraping the barrel by the end; I started in whatever the most recent year was in Barbri's TX book (2013?) and went back to like 1995. I watched all the lectures but did not outline much or memorize flashcards. My outlines were about 2-3 pages long each, and stylized as "look for these issues." Most of the Texas questions are recycled, so I just did a ton of old questions and started seeing common patterns for issues. I think my strategy worked, as on game day I knew almost all of the P/E cold, and knew 10 of the 12 essays cold. The only essay questions I missed were ones everyone else missed too.
Hope that helps someone! Law students: The best advice I can give to you right now is to take Evidence in law school, and take Con. Law seriously (learn it, don't just ride that curve to a B). Your MBE studying will be a lot easier in 2 years if you do this.
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154 Barbri midterm; 169 MBE
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Passed w/MBE 120..it's a (pre-Xmas) miracle...
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LOL.. me too i passed with an MBE of 127. our fellow test takers helped pushed up through the finish line..crimsontide wrote:Passed w/MBE 120..it's a (pre-Xmas) miracle...
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It can be done!!!!!!!!!!!!NYKfanAIesq wrote:LOL.. me too i passed with an MBE of 127. our fellow test takers helped pushed up through the finish line..crimsontide wrote:Passed w/MBE 120..it's a (pre-Xmas) miracle...
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God Bless Maryland for making the MBE only 1/3 of the passing score!!!robinhoodOO wrote:It can be done!!!!!!!!!!!!NYKfanAIesq wrote:LOL.. me too i passed with an MBE of 127. our fellow test takers helped pushed up through the finish line..crimsontide wrote:Passed w/MBE 120..it's a (pre-Xmas) miracle...
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Similar to CA! (Which I think weighs the MBE at 35%, I believe)NYKfanAIesq wrote:God Bless Maryland for making the MBE only 1/3 of the passing score!!!robinhoodOO wrote:It can be done!!!!!!!!!!!!NYKfanAIesq wrote:LOL.. me too i passed with an MBE of 127. our fellow test takers helped pushed up through the finish line..crimsontide wrote:Passed w/MBE 120..it's a (pre-Xmas) miracle...
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Re: July 2015 MBE Scores/Results
mike.alexander23 wrote:Similar to CA! (Which I think weighs the MBE at 35%, I believe)NYKfanAIesq wrote:God Bless Maryland for making the MBE only 1/3 of the passing score!!!robinhoodOO wrote:It can be done!!!!!!!!!!!!NYKfanAIesq wrote:LOL.. me too i passed with an MBE of 127. our fellow test takers helped pushed up through the finish line..crimsontide wrote:Passed w/MBE 120..it's a (pre-Xmas) miracle...
In CA, the 65% written throws me off, e.g., my sister could take it and write some BS legal fan fiction about Sailor Moon and still get a 40 on each essay/PT (400/1000 points or 40%). Has anyone seen or heard of 10's or 15's or 30's on essays or PTs? I personally feel the pressure is on the MBE because we don't start with 400 free points for bubbling just anything. Mathematically this changes my perception of the given 35/65 split.
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kjartan
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Re: July 2015 MBE Scores/Results
Mathematically, you get do get "free points" for guessing on the MBE. You have a 25% chance or arriving at the correct answer just by bubbling anything in. Assuming you guess your way through the entire MBE, you should receive ~47.5 "free points."gaagoots wrote:mike.alexander23 wrote:Similar to CA! (Which I think weighs the MBE at 35%, I believe)NYKfanAIesq wrote:God Bless Maryland for making the MBE only 1/3 of the passing score!!!robinhoodOO wrote:It can be done!!!!!!!!!!!!NYKfanAIesq wrote:LOL.. me too i passed with an MBE of 127. our fellow test takers helped pushed up through the finish line..crimsontide wrote:Passed w/MBE 120..it's a (pre-Xmas) miracle...
In CA, the 65% written throws me off, e.g., my sister could take it and write some BS legal fan fiction about Sailor Moon and still get a 40 on each essay/PT (400/1000 points or 40%). Has anyone seen or heard of 10's or 15's or 30's on essays or PTs? I personally feel the pressure is on the MBE because we don't start with 400 free points for bubbling just anything. Mathematically this changes my perception of the given 35/65 split.
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robinhoodOO
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Re: July 2015 MBE Scores/Results
According to the one-timers calculator, if you received 50's across the board, you'd still fail even if your raw MBE score was 190/190 (a perfect score).gaagoots wrote:In CA, the 65% written throws me off, e.g., my sister could take it and write some BS legal fan fiction about Sailor Moon and still get a 40 on each essay/PT (400/1000 points or 40%). Has anyone seen or heard of 10's or 15's or 30's on essays or PTs? I personally feel the pressure is on the MBE because we don't start with 400 free points for bubbling just anything. Mathematically this changes my perception of the given 35/65 split.
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mike.alexander23
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Re: July 2015 MBE Scores/Results
Which makes sense. Even in CA, I think you can guarantee yourself a 50 if you make an attempt at answering the question (this is what a professor who was once a bar grader told us)robinhoodOO wrote:According to the one-timers calculator, if you received 50's across the board, you'd still fail even if your raw MBE score was 190/190 (a perfect score).gaagoots wrote:In CA, the 65% written throws me off, e.g., my sister could take it and write some BS legal fan fiction about Sailor Moon and still get a 40 on each essay/PT (400/1000 points or 40%). Has anyone seen or heard of 10's or 15's or 30's on essays or PTs? I personally feel the pressure is on the MBE because we don't start with 400 free points for bubbling just anything. Mathematically this changes my perception of the given 35/65 split.
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gaagoots
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Re: July 2015 MBE Scores/Results
My thoughts are why start us at 40 points rather than 0? I've looked all over trying to find the answer and nada. Sadly with my luck I am the one who guesses the wrong 50 of the 50/50. Is CA unique in this or do other states start essay scoring at some arbitrary number.kjartan wrote:Mathematically, you get do get "free points" for guessing on the MBE. You have a 25% chance or arriving at the correct answer just by bubbling anything in. Assuming you guess your way through the entire MBE, you should receive ~47.5 "free points."gaagoots wrote:mike.alexander23 wrote:Similar to CA! (Which I think weighs the MBE at 35%, I believe)NYKfanAIesq wrote:God Bless Maryland for making the MBE only 1/3 of the passing score!!!robinhoodOO wrote:It can be done!!!!!!!!!!!!NYKfanAIesq wrote:LOL.. me too i passed with an MBE of 127. our fellow test takers helped pushed up through the finish line..crimsontide wrote:Passed w/MBE 120..it's a (pre-Xmas) miracle...
In CA, the 65% written throws me off, e.g., my sister could take it and write some BS legal fan fiction about Sailor Moon and still get a 40 on each essay/PT (400/1000 points or 40%). Has anyone seen or heard of 10's or 15's or 30's on essays or PTs? I personally feel the pressure is on the MBE because we don't start with 400 free points for bubbling just anything. Mathematically this changes my perception of the given 35/65 split.
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robinhoodOO
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Re: July 2015 MBE Scores/Results
I'd agree with that. I was just pointing out that the essays have huge significance in CA, unlike many states where the MBE is weighted at 50%. The fact that the baseline is 40 or 50 is besides the point. It does you no good to get 40's or 50's. They're basically an auto-fail. I suspect there are some who have had a 50 or a couple of 55's pass, but that basically means you're banking on at least a couple of 70's and/or stellar MBE's. And, after having read several 50's, I agree that they're likely the baseline for merely answering an essay. Missing big issues, awful/incorrect rule statements, conclusory statements and little to no analysis, etc. I suspect 40's and 45's are reserved for barely starting an essay.mike.alexander23 wrote:Which makes sense. Even in CA, I think you can guarantee yourself a 50 if you make an attempt at answering the question (this is what a professor who was once a bar grader told us)robinhoodOO wrote:According to the one-timers calculator, if you received 50's across the board, you'd still fail even if your raw MBE score was 190/190 (a perfect score).gaagoots wrote:In CA, the 65% written throws me off, e.g., my sister could take it and write some BS legal fan fiction about Sailor Moon and still get a 40 on each essay/PT (400/1000 points or 40%). Has anyone seen or heard of 10's or 15's or 30's on essays or PTs? I personally feel the pressure is on the MBE because we don't start with 400 free points for bubbling just anything. Mathematically this changes my perception of the given 35/65 split.
As an aside, I'm pretty sure starting in 2017, the MBE will be weighted at 50% in CA. I think this is good news for takers, personally.
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